Update on small Nationalist Parties

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This is just a little update on the state of play among the various nationalist groups, because it can be sometimes difficult to follow all the twists and turns here.

The National Party. Founded and very much identified with the long term Irish political figure, Justin Barrett, in recent years they have hit a lot of turmoil. There was reported to be not much by way of internal democracy built into the party and so internal dissension manifested itself, some time ago, rather in what was described, rightly or wrongly, as a coup. The Deputy leader, James Reynolds, allied to key figures like Patrick Quinlan and in practice the bulk of the membership, took over the party and, famously, its finances in gold.
The update is that James Reynolds is now gone and in practice we have two wings, with Barrett still asserting his ownership of the official party and now Councillor Patrick Quinlan, in some shape or form, taking charge of the rest.

The Irish People. Founded by Anthony J Cahill, a successful businessman/engineer, including in technologies like SMS messaging and Eircom's original internet company, with another very well known figure involved here being David O'Reilly. This party was originally designed as a kind of overall umbrella for candidates who in practice would be independent. So helping these candidates but shunning the whip system that many partly blame for our current ills.

Ireland First. Its often said to have been founded by two ladies living in Westmeath, Margaret Alacoque Maguire and Sarah Herraty, with the former becoming Vice-president and the latter secretary. The most visible figure here though is Derek Blighe, a builder in North Cork and one of the most recognisable figures in this area of modern Irish politics. Blighe is its President and his brother the chairman. Philip Dwyer is also a well known figure in this party, although his recent run in Wicklow was apparently not under their banner or consent.

Irish Freedom Party. Founded and led by Hermann Kelly, the press officer for Nigel Farage for many years and still employed in the EU Parliament in Brussels. Its chairman was until recently Michael Leahy, who had a successful run out as a Sinatra crooner during the Euro elections, but he was replaced by Shane Lynam in the summer. There was a lot of turmoil with them over that summer, with for example Kelly falling out with the two O'Connors, Diarmuid in Dublin and Luke in Kilkenny. They also attempted to install an Eritrean immigrant as their migration spokesman but that proved massively unpopular and they backtracked very quickly on the matter.

Although vote splitting, in this writers opinion at any rate, is not an issue in Irish politics because of the electoral system, nonetheless there is a demand out there for these small groups to work together more, to hopefully make better use of the very small financial, time and media resources that are available to the emergent Irish Nationalist movement.

As part of this it was decided to form an overall committee, consisting of Quinlan, Cahill and Blighe, that was going to vet and run candidates under an overall National Alliance party banner, a sort of alliance/merging of the first three parties above. However the Electoral Commission refused to recognise them, saying they weren't a proper party and so couldn't appear under that title on ballot papers. It could have been done if one or other of the constituent parties ceased to exist and instead rolled into the National Alliance, but none wanted to do so (ultimately), and the National Party is so tied up in legal matters it probably couldn't anyway. This though is reported to have caused a lot of turmoil in the two parties that might have folded up into the National Alliance.

The Irish Freedom Party on the otherhand, who stayed aloof from the alliance, has now been plunged into more turmoil. Apparently there was a proposal to install Anthony Casey as leader, their candidate in Kildare, but that was blocked leading to resignations by Casey and Martin Murphy, the vice-chair.

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The IFP is now beginning to resemble the National Party, with a lot of members angry about what some see as just a vehicle to enchance the leader only, rather than a real political party.
I say that because it seems some members, part of what is described as the 95% dissolusioned members, approached Hermann asking him to stand down but he refused. He on other hand sought to expel some members who he said were involved in a seperate and maybe extreme grouping. This I think is a reference to Anthony Casey's Sinne na Daoine nascent organisation. Btw Casey is an important figure in the IFP, especially because I think their main social media outlet is the Irish Column youtube channel, owned by Casey.
Councillor Glen Moore, their only elected representative, is among the breakaway rebels.
 

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I am not actually certain who fired the first shot in this, but it appears Hermann cracked down on Casey after his Sinne na Daoine put out a call for people who suspect vote fraud to contact them.
 

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Is it possi ble that they would join Barrett
 

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We just need one serious political party that is well-financed and supported. THe Party must have more policies than immigration and it must accept that the current "New" Irish are here to say and offer them a voice too.

Id wager a lot of upset and disgruntled immigrants to Ireland who are here paying taxes and working hard are also fed up with the bunch of freeloaders arriving daily.

If any party wants to be successful it has to gain votes from all areas.
 

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Why is a pro immigration party needed when all the rest are pro immigration
 

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Why is a pro immigration party needed when all the rest are pro immigration
I assume Anderson means a party like Reform in the UK ~ ~ They at least talk the talk re; mass immigration !

One United Party ~ ~ With such a low turn-out ~ less than 60% ~ It goes to show that their is a " Market " for a political party for some of that 40% that are NOT Voting !
 

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The non viters are not looking for a party, they are not interested and do not even grasp the system. They have no idea that even a taoiseach exists
 

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As noted already, yes indeed, the Irish Freedom Party have disintegrated.

i would ask why they opted to run under that banner.
 

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The Irish peoples party's issue was they put out every lula you could imagine that would stick their name up. That is what the National Alliance tried to counter, it didn't matter in the end for reasons I will explain at the end, they are good people at the top.

Ireland first is just Blighe, and he is looking to group up with this casey mess, dodgy stuff I heard. Phil will always do his own thing as phil has an ego the size of himself, where he wouldn't be able to do what he does if he didn't have such an ego, where he has little to no allegiance to anyone else but himself, not that I think he isn't grand to think as such, especially today.

The national party kicked out barret years back, he is irrelevant regards the actual party does on the ground or online, anyone saying otherwise is a clown or a liar. I cannot say here publicly what the reality of that individual is here, and will not privately here. He is a state asset at this point from what I can tell allegedly.

The IFP are a civ nat, a reform party mirror if ye want to understand the connection regards the brits, kosher conservatism, a gate keeper group from the start. If ye cannot see such, you are clueless to what is going on in reality.

The Irish people voted in the end for the fact that so many of them had a house that was going up in value, they weren't surrounded for now in the majority by hostile foreigners, had a job, things were at least stable etc... The vast majority of people are not ideologues. A lot of people are living in a bubble, talking shite online and doing sweet fuck all on the ground.

This election had the lowest turnout in a century. Only half of 18-34 year olds voted, but over 90% of the over 60 age category voted. So this election was largely determined by old people who have voted for the establishment parties all their life and value the “stability of” Fine Gael/Fianna Fáil over the alternatives. Despite this, FFG actually had their lowest share of the vote ever, with Sinn Féin also declining:
Cannot find one of the exit polls there right now I saw at the time, but it pretty much said that the majority were ok regards the current now, not up but not down regards the economics of the now. It will need to get a lot worse for other things to take effect regards a lot of peoples lives, and for a certain older generation to continue to die off and remove the civil war politics that we have always been under. The apathy of the younger generation an of others needs to be fixed, but unless you are willing to knock on doors as a group, you will remain as irrelevant individuals looking on.

An umbrella group was the way to go, but there are so many spastics that think they know better, that don't know anything other then their inflated ego. Clowns to the left of ye, jokers to the right. To many protest junkies, not enough people that will get behind a pro Irish movement and sacrifice their time and energy.
 

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