Mass Migration to Ireland & Europe

AN1 said:
So are the Irish a race? Can someone outside of the Irish race be, or become Irish?


Yes, you said that they were "traditionally white", does not suggest that it's in flux?
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I'm not sure about race. I'd say more a breed. I think people get confused here. I am also not a geneticist, and with that in mind, here's my take:

All human beings are Homo sapiens. We're all the same species. As far as I'm aware, there are no subspecies of human beings that produce sterile offspring.

I think what people think is race is actually just breeds. Race is conceptual, not really material.
 
AN1 said:
You're missing the point here really

scolairebocht and Zip don't argue the existence of God scientifically, unlike Tiger
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How is that better, though?

I know you think they've taken crazy pills.
 
AN1 said:
Fine. Can anyone outside of the eh, Irish breed, be or become Irish, that's what I asked you.


I think subspecies can produce fertile offspring and in my view the human species is one of them :)
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Some can, some can't, apparently. All humans can produce fertile offspring.

Your second question is very epistemological. I believe they can, yes. There's some Spanish blood getting around in Ireland, whether you believe it's genetic vestiges of the wrecked Armada, or because of areas like Galway trading heavily with the Spaniards. DNA testing kits are very unreliable and don't provide good data of genetic origin, as the way I understand it is they can only test back a few generations.

Then there's the fact Viking blood is mixed with the Irish. The point I'm trying to make is how do you even begin to parse it out at this point? A family line could have been in Ireland and breeding in Ireland for 500 years, but may not be descended from the first people that immigrated to Ireland.
 
AN1 said:
Very easily.. Irish people are white

Of course, the objections to this are manifold and I'm used to them, from the EMJ nonsense to somehow an immutable characteristic of ours means we've lost our identity
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Well, yes. I've already said that Irish people are white--at least they always have been, this is what I meant when I said traditionally.

The identity part is more complicated. Part of that is genetic, a bigger part is culture and as I have said many times before I believe culture is the most powerful force in existence. Even the Romans knew this. It didn't take them long to figure out that they were far better served in terms of stabilizing conquered territory and stymieing rebellions by puppet ministries and governors appointed from endemic populations as opposed to standing armies. Turns out, the average Joe sixtooth doesn't really care who the insect overlords are so long as they can go on speaking their language, enjoying their customs and traditions and worshipping their gods and eating the foods they like and dressing a certain way etc et al.

My main criticism of leftism when t comes to immigration is that it's essentially magic dirt theory. The idea that you can just import people from alien cultures and somehow, magically, by some mystical property of the fields and the skies integrate. They don't, they form enclaves, and this always leaves to conflict with the parent culture. There's no better example of this than Islam. There are some exceptions to the rule, though.

I certainly agree with you that an immigrant from England, Scotland or Wales is going to fit in far better than a Somali. I'll also include Italians and Greeks. Basically any European.

I don't think the main battle to preserve Irish identity should be fought exclusively along genetic lines. Forgetting the fact that it's just too late for that, it is in the end culture that defines national character, laws....everything. Irish culture is what must be fought for. First however, all the illegals need to be deported, immigration needs to be slowed to a drip, and any immigrant who runs afoul of the law must be deported. No second chances. That, and the Government needs to start working for the people.
 
Fishalt said:
There's some Spanish blood getting around in Ireland, whether you believe it's genetic vestiges of the wrecked Armada, or because of areas like Galway trading heavily with the Spaniards.
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Exactly!!

And who are the Spaniard's? A bunch of Europeans mixed up with North Africans & South American Indians!!

North Americans have similar issues . . . 🧐
 
AN1 said:
So are the Irish a race? Can someone outside of the Irish race be, or become Irish?


Yes, you said that they were "traditionally white", does that not suggest that it's in flux?
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Do you regard the Scottish and English people who were part of the plantations and their descendants to be Irish?
 
AN1 said:
It's a good question and I'm not being flippant by saying, first of all, that I regard all of those people to be white. Then I would have to add an "It depends". Many of those people wouldn't consider themselves to be Irish (they would think of themselves more as British) in which case they're not Irish.

Perhaps the point you're making is that if the descendants of those planters consider themselves Irish, then being Irish is, indeed, in a state of flux? 🤔
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I guess I’m simply pulling that particular thread to see where it goes.

The purpose of the original British plantation’s were to establish non-Irish Protestants loyal to the Crown and displace native Irish Catholics. The main objectives being a major land grab for control and economic exploitation, the spread of Protestantism and ultimately to snuff out any whiff of rebellion.

So, are the ancestors of these invaders to be considered Irish now?

Are their descendants still in positions of power in government, big business and the media?
 
AN1 said:
Are the ancestors of any invaders to be considered Irish now? 🤔


Let's be honest mate, you're not a nationalist. You're a fevered Catholic sectarian bigot
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Bingo.

I knew you wouldn’t like that particular thread being pulled.

How far back in Ireland does the surname ‘Dawson’ go?

One of is truly Irish, and it ain’t you ‘Dawson’.
 
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A prime example of why I believe culture is more important than genes is Iran. It's a little known fact, or at least not a popularly known fact, that Iranians are Caucasian. They are not Semitic./Arabic. You wouldn't know that by their culture, though.
 
Fishalt said:
A prime example of why I believe culture is more important than genes is Iran. It's a little known fact, or at least not a popularly known fact, that Iranians are Caucasian. They are not Semitic./Arabic. You wouldn't know that by their culture, though.
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Its a pity Islam took over Persia. They had some quare religion before and it was grand and benign like Hinduism, Buddhism etc.

Alas the death cult conquered and turned the place to sh1t.
 
Myles O'Reilly said:
Its a pity Islam took over Persia. They had some quare religion before and it was grand and benign like Hinduism, Buddhism etc.

Alas the death cult conquered and turned the place to sh1t.
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Afghanistan was Buddhist before Derka Derka came along.
 
AN1 said:
Actually, it was only afterwards that I realised that it was personal attack on me - I should have known better, with you
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It actually wasn’t a personal attack. It was a genuine question to someone who seems to have rigid criteria for what is a nationalist.

I notice that you never use the word ‘Irish’ when talking about your ‘nationalism’. You refer to it as ‘ethno-nationalism’ which sounds like it could be a hybrid of English and Irish nationalism based on the colour of our skin.

Would this be correct?
 
AN1 said:
LOL


It was you setting yourself up to say that I'm not Irish (and you are)


This is beyond stupid 🤣
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Oh I agree that it’s stupid. So would you agree that natively English people and their offspring are not Irish?


Where does your old man’s heritage come from?

Are you English, Scottish or Irish?

Ireland, Scotland or England? C’mon, spit it out.

A quick google search shows

“ What ethnicity is the last name Dawson?
Scottish
Dawson is a British surname. Notable persons with the surname include: Ally Dawson (1958–2021), Scottish football manager.”

Dawson (surname) - Wikipedia

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Dawson is not an Irish name, is it James?

Don’t lie to people.
 
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Myles O'Reilly said:
Why shouldn't they be?
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Let’s extrapolate that moronic (most likely drunken) response from you Myles.


You are careless about why the descendants of people who were literally sent to Ireland to take over its power structures to control the Irish people and make sure Irish Nationalists didn’t control their own country and are still in power today.

Myles, you are officially the most stupid person I have ever encountered.
 
Fishalt said:
A prime example of why I believe culture is more important than genes is Iran. It's a little known fact, or at least not a popularly known fact, that Iranians are Caucasian. They are not Semitic./Arabic. You wouldn't know that by their culture, though.
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I see. That’s fascinating.

So, what is your own Irish background?

Are both parents Irish? Just one?. Maybe a grandparent?

Be honest.
 
Don’t mention the war Basil
 
Tiger said:
Let’s extrapolate that moronic (most likely drunken) response from you Myles. You are careless about why the descendants of people who were literally sent to Ireland to take over its power structures to control the Irish people and make sure Irish Nationalists didn’t control their own country and are still in power today. Myles, you are officially the most stupid person I have ever encountered.
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Why shouldn't people of a COI background be able to have top jobs just like those of an RC background?

And who are you to decide how patriotic a person is because of their Surname?

Its a sad fact, Sir, that the more Irish a person's surname these days (particularly women) the more woke, open borders and anti-Irish they're likely to be.
 
Myles O'Reilly said:
Why shouldn't people of a COI background be able to have top jobs just like those of an RC background?

And who are you to decide how patriotic a person is because of their Surname?

Its a sad fact, Sir, that the more Irish a person's surname these days (particularly women) the more woke, open borders and anti-Irish they're likely to be.
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Myles, the issue isn’t about whether Anglo-Irish elites are ‘allowed’ to hold key positions in Irish society. It’s about recognizing the deeper, historical power dynamics at play — a legacy of control that has persisted for centuries. There’s a generational distrust between certain elements of the Anglo-Irish elite and the Irish people, born out of centuries of colonial rule and oppression.

Figures like Peter Sutherland and Garret FitzGerald didn’t just happen to rise to prominence — their family roots in Scotland and England, tied to this colonial past, reflect a longstanding agenda that often clashed with true Irish self-determination.

Take institutions like Trinity College, which, for much of its history, served as a training ground for the Protestant Ascendancy. For centuries, it was closed off to Catholics, actively reinforcing a social hierarchy that kept control in the hands of a few. Even today, its legacy echoes in how certain power structures operate in Ireland. I imagine that we move in different circles Myles, because I’ve personally witnessed these people connected to newspapers like The Irish Times—openly brag about how their families have benefitted from this insider network for generations. It’s not some distant past; it’s a reality that lingers, as The Irish Times itself was founded as a voice for the Anglican Ascendancy in the 1800s, and it continues to serve the interests of those same power brokers.

Calling it ‘The Irish Times’ is a joke. A more fitting title would be ‘The Anglican Times’—because its history and its power structures were never about representing the Irish people.

As for deciding how patriotic someone is based upon their surname; that was merely an exercise in highlighting the fragile foundations that some people (who have the temerity to tell everyone else that they are not nationalists) are standing on, and that they themselves have questionable heritage.
 
AN1 said:
Sniffing out people to see if they're a 'Prod' is hardly nationalism.

What kind of nationalist doesn't know what ethno-nationalism is 😆
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Sniffing out Brits posing as Irish nationalists.

You don’t have a common heritage and faith with Irish people, so I presume your ethno-nationalism is of an English or Scottish persuasion. Your ancestors tried to ‘ethnically cleanse’ Ireland. They were not benevolent to the Irish nation and its people.

‘Ethno-nationalism from the people who brought you the penal laws’ 😂
 
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No hope for these pricks.
 
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The wave of Indians invading the corpocracy is not an accident. As is always the case among those from low-trust societies, once one is in, their primary objective is to allow more in. And once they gain control of HR, they exclude the natives. It doesn’t matter if it’s Jews controlling the...
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The Invasion is No Accident - Vox Popoli

The wave of Indians invading the corpocracy is not an accident. As is always the case among those from low-trust societies, once one is in, their primary objective is to allow more in. And once they gain control of HR, they exclude the natives. It doesn’t matter if it’s Jews controlling the...
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You have people in Ireland who think Indians taking over vast swathes of upper middle class positions would be a great thing altogether for the country though they oppose further working class and lumpen immigration. I think that is just a disaster waiting to happen or several disasters.
 
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