Mass Migration to Ireland & Europe

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I remember some while ago there was talk about millions of Hongkongers coming here and people thought that it was great (as an alternative I suppose) including people who you'd think would know better, so I'm not talking about the Parlons & Clanrickards
I would prefer HK'ers over hordes of Jeets 100% of the time.
 

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You say that because you're not a nationalist.

Of course, I wouldn't disagree with you that there is some, eh, nuance to the debate.

Ever heard of my 64,000$ question?

Everyone who's ever answered it has failed.
ok I'll bite. What's the question?
 

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I remember some while ago there was talk about millions of Hongkongers coming here and people thought that it was great (as an alternative I suppose) including people who you'd think would know better, so I'm not talking about the Parlons & Clanrickards

Who is your Doctor or your Lawyer is more socially and politically important than who is your bin man I would have thought. Again I want a freeze on basically all immigration.
 
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Okay, great.

Allow me to copy paste it from where I wrote it about a year ago on another site (I don't think linking to that particular site is the done thing here)

Q. Do you think the following outcomes O1 and O2 would be equally as bad (A1) or one worse than the other (A2)?

O1. The Irish become an ethnic minority in Ireland with a majority white population

O2. The Irish become an ethnic minority in Ireland with a majority non-white population
I feel like the reason nobody can answer this is because of the framing. It's a really, really fucking stupid. It's loaded choice. Ultimately, my answer would depend on the contingencies and particulars.

I'll go along with this absurdity and pick A2 despite the fact this entire debacle is obviously going to result in a zero-sum outcome, and you think this is intelligent reasoning, somehow, because you've curated the outcome via query-framing.
 

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R u saying that I'm fucking stupid? 🤔


How about you stop waffling and tell us why you picked A2?
You're not stupid, James. But you're not especially intelligent, either.

I picked A2 because it doesn't matter which option I pick. The survey-framing is a stacked-deck designed at the qualitative level to produce the types of responses you want to get. You have no control.
 

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You picked A2 because it "doesn't matter which option you pick"

Toss of a coin, was it 😆
There's no control, you eejit. Do understand why it's important to have one? What that even means?
 

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You haven't even unpacked your concepts correctly. How are
I understand that you're a waffler

There's no trick in the question, and anyone can answer it, duh
No control. and you haven't even bothered to unpack your concepts. What do you mean by 'white'? Are Italians and Greeks included in that term? Spaniards?
 

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I legit once had a thing with a Mexican girl who was whiter than me. Does she count?
 

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Surveys are actually deceptively difficult to design. Yours is a particularly woeful example.
 

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You're now asking me - What is white? 🤔, so you'll know what non-white is?

Well, insert any other race (that you might believe in) for 'non-white' in the question
Not to put too fine a point on it, but insert a bowling pin into your rectum, James. This is your party. You're the one telling the story. You tell me.
 

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Poor aul Fish.. It never takes him too long to throw his toys 😭
Who's throwing toys?

I'm waiting for you to tell me who's white and who isn't. Then I can give you a meaningful answer.
 

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Let me answer in a way conducive to the point I think you're driving at:

Yes, if I were Irish, I would prefer to live in a country that was majority European and Ideally majority Irish. Well, there are some clans I fundamentally dislike. They could go.
 

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I would prefer HK'ers over hordes of Jeets 100% of the time.
No No No No NO!

Anymore of your unintelligible outback shyte talk that no-one understands and you're getting reported.

You've been warned about this before.

Moderators are not above Site laws regarding intentional Spam.
 

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It is to troll me- apparently my belief in the reality of Witchcraft is some both totally crazed and utterly stupid thing.
I'm reminded of people who waste energy being angry at the gods they don't believe in (especially after a death in the family). Seems to happen a lot amongst the materialist class. They are obsessed with things they don't putatively care about 🤷‍♂️
 

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I'm reminded of people who waste energy being angry at the gods they don't believe in (especially after a death in the family). Seems to happen a lot amongst the materialist class. They are obsessed with things they don't putatively care about 🤷‍♂️

Contemporary Occidental atheism usually is based on the (arguably false) "Problem of Evil" and yet it all too often jumps from that straight away to embracing outright Satanic, demonic, etc aesthetics (which is not to say that these things cannot have power in and of themselves without regard for the intentions of the people playing around with them).
 

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Contemporary Occidental atheism usually is based on the (arguably false) "Problem of Evil" and yet it all too often jumps from that straight away to embracing outright Satanic, demonic, etc aesthetics (which is not to say that these things cannot have power in and of themselves without regard for the intentions of the people playing around with them).
Indeed. I have long noticed that the modern materialist is not aligned with the Platonic ideal of searching for the good, the true and the beautiful. This alone tells us about the spiritual aspect of these alignments and positions. The atheist, by nature, is in open defiance of such notions.

The materialist has, by default had to drop any notions related to objective truth, and so the good and the beautiful fall away not long after. Hence the cynicism and belittlement that flows from the materialist worldview . Its all they have left
 
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The barmiest thing about atheists is their categorical identification with 'nothing at all'. They never shut up about how much they are into nothing, and what a more rational position it is to be always banging on about how nothing is better than something.
 

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Theists are way more obsessed with atheists than the other way around

This digression is for a large part my fault albeit someone else's trolling avatar was the spark- never the less we really should keep discussions around atheism and Theism and stuff in between to more appropriate threads.
 

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Credit to @Myles O'Reilly for the warnings.


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I'm reminded of people who waste energy being angry at the gods they don't believe in (especially after a death in the family). Seems to happen a lot amongst the materialist class. They are obsessed with things they don't putatively care about 🤷‍♂️
Ahhhh don't be like that Plunky. I'm just having a bit of a shit-stir.
 

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I don't know what Buddy Love is giving me credit for?

But Sparky, find me a single incident of Indian grooming gangs in the west.

They shouldn't be here either of course but its unfair to conflate them with Muslims.
 

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See this is where things get interesting . . . India, Ireland . . . Wherever the society, we must acknowledge the Tribes & Cultures which coexist . . . .

At a guess TR is probably aware of the deep and ancient cultural ties between Britain & India, no?

What are you referring to?

By the way I gave up believing that the British Empire had been a great thing through reading about it's failure to tackle the Spiritual infestation that is Hinduism even going so far as to prevent Missionaires from trying.
 

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