How do we get more people to practise Christianity?

[céline]

The best way to solve the problems in Europe are not through Leftist theories of economics but through the reinvigoration of the Christian faith, whichever denomination you happen to adhere to.

But how do you go about doing this? It seems almost impossible considering how atheistic people are nowadays.

Another problem is people who claim to be religious when in fact they are 'agnostic' & hold various spiritual views but do not apply themselves to a serious tradition of Christianity.

This all probably has to do with the post-modern way of thinking, in which you are allowed to forge your own sort of 'new age' religion of sorts & not abide by the traditions of an actually serious system of Christianity.

 

[clarke-connolly]

The best way to solve the problems in Europe are not through Leftist theories of economics but through the reinvigoration of the Christian faith, whichever denomination you happen to adhere to.

But how do you go about doing this? It seems almost impossible considering how atheistic people are nowadays.

Another problem is people who claim to be religious when in fact they are 'agnostic' & hold various spiritual views but do not apply themselves to a serious tradition of Christianity.

This all probably has to do with the post-modern way of thinking, in which you are allowed to forge your own sort of 'new age' religion of sorts & not abide by the traditions of an actually serious system of Christianity.

A Few Miracles, wouldn't hurt ! ! !

 

[AN2]

This is rather similar to your last OP in which several of us booted @Tiger up and down the length and breadth of it, isn't it?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

How do we get more people to practise Christianity?​

Why would you want to?

 

[céline]

Why would you want to?

What's your problem with Christianity, Myles?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

What is your problem with Christianity, Myles?

Its not real. Nor is any religion.

 

[céline]

Its not real. Nor is any religion.

The existence of God, souls & spirits can't be proven but it doesn't mean they don't exist. Why are you so skeptical about everything?

 

[AN2]

Another fucking thread on religion. Another thread where we'll have to endure the whiny atheists.

Would you ever fck off you spamming kunt.

You never have a word to say about the whiny anti-atheists (AKA you)

Fuck off you spamming Catholic bigot

 

[AN2]

The existence of Gods, souls & spirits can't be proven but it doesn't mean they don't exist. Why are you so skeptical about everything?

You realise that there are various religious people on this site who do think that the above is proven?

 

[céline]

You realise that there are various religious people on this site who do think that the above is proven?

I don't think you need to prove something to participate in it. It's probably the case that the Conservative way of thinking is based on a kind of faith in something that may or may not be true.

 

[AN2]

I don't think you need to prove something to participate in it.

Neither do I but the fact remains that various people on this site do, gnostic theists in other words

 

[céline]

Neither do I but the fact remains that various people on this site do, gnostic theists in other words

They're probably still preferable to atheists, though since at least they're practising Christianity.

 

[AN2]

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Plunketts-tier shite now

Thanks for showing your true colours, your - I'm not religious myself but.. was getting tiresome

 

[AN2]

They're probably still preferable to Atheists, though since at least they're practising Christianity.

Is this your strategy for converting Catholics with one foot in and one foot out? (I don't think it would work on atheists (which isn't capitalised))

 

[céline]

Is this your strategy for converting Catholics with one foot in and one foot out? (I don't think it would work on atheists (which isn't capitalised))

I'm not Catholic but I would say I'm pan-christian & maybe even pantheist. I think everyone should practise religion.

 

[AN2]

I'm not Catholic but I would say I'm pan-christian & maybe even pantheist. I think everyone should practise religion.

 

[céline]

What is wrong about what I said?

 

[AN2]

What is wrong about what I said?

Let's try:

Is this your strategy for converting Christians with one foot in and one foot out? (I don't think it would work on atheists (which isn't capitalised))

 

[SwordOfStZip]

The great Ulster Prod Classicist Eric Robertson Dodds in his Magisterial "The Greeks and the Irrational" mentions in his day that there were what he called "Political Catholics" through the Western Europe of his time, that is people who didn't believe actually believe in Catholic Dogmas, Sacraments, etc but who saw Catholicism and the Papacy as a badly need principle of political and cultural order (that was written in the late 1940s and very early 1950s). This phenomena goes back to the French Revolution or if you are wanting to be cynical to Emperor Constantine the Great in the Fourth Century A.D.

 

[céline]

The great Ulster Prod Classicist Eric Robertson Dodds in his Magisterial "The Greeks and the Irrational" mentions in his day that there were what he called "Political Catholics" through the Western Europe of his time, that is people who didn't believe actually believe in Catholic Dogmas, Sacraments, etc but who saw Catholicism and the Papacy as a badly need principle of political and cultural order (that was written in the late 1940s and very early 1950s). This phenomena goes back to the French Revolution or if you are wanting to be cynical to Emperor Constantine the Great in the Fourth Century A.D.

During the time of the Third Reich there was an attempt to create something called 'Positive Christianity' by Rosenberg. What do you think of this?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

During the time of the Third Reich there was an attempt to create something called 'Positive Christianity' by Rosenberg. What do you think of this?

No the thing about "Positive Christianity" goes back to the 19 th Germany meaning a Christianity not caught up with Dogma and Mysticism, basically one that went along with Bismarck's attacks both Catholicism, particularly parts of it, and the Confessional Lutherans. Rosenberg actually was not that happy with the whole "Positive Christianity" thing and wanted something "fresh" (and he did not consider reviving old Pagan gods as being "fresh"- in fact he was very dismissive of attempts to do that). Basically "Positive Christianity" meant a muscular "Liberal Protestantism" in 1930s and 1940s Germany, when Evangelicals claim that they are actually telling the truth.

 

[céline]

No the thing about "Positive Christianity" goes back to the 19 th Germany meaning a Christianity not caught up with Dogma and Mysticism, basically one that went along with Bismarck's attacks both Catholicism, particularly parts of it, and the Confessional Lutherans. Rosenberg actually was not that happy with the whole "Positive Christianity" thing and wanted something "fresh" (and he did not consider reviving old Pagan gods as being "fresh"- in fact he was very dismissive of attempts to do that). Basically "Positive Christianity" meant a muscular "Liberal Protestantism" in 1930s and 1940s Germany, when Evangelicals claim that they are actually telling the truth.

So it was an attempt to revitalise Christianity in Northern Europe. What is the problem with that? At the end of the day is not the most important thing that people are practising Christianity?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

So it was an attempt to revitalise Christianity in Northern Europe. What is the problem with that? At the end of the day is not the most important thing that people are practising Christianity?

The so-called "German Christians" attacked and basically dropped the Old Testament and St Paul (while surreally in some cases praising Marcion who saw himself as a disciple of St Paul)- they basically had a "Christianity" reduced to sentimental niceness and a slavish attitude to the State.

 

[céline]

The so-called "German Christians" attacked and basically dropped the Old Testament and St Paul (while surreally in some cases praising Marcion who saw himself as a disciple of St Paul)- they basically had a "Christianity" reduced to sentimental niceness and a slavish attitude to the State.

Isn't their attitude toward the state the reason they were more capable of acclimatizing to Hitler's regime? The most of National Socialism's initial votes came from Northern Germany after all. It's almost as if contemporary Catholicism is a form of religious Socialism if it does not have a good attitude toward the state. The state is after all the basis of the feudal way of life. Without the state you just have Communism or at least Socialism or Capitalism on the way to such.

 

[AN2]

The great Ulster Prod Classicist Eric Robertson Dodds in his Magisterial "The Greeks and the Irrational" mentions in his day that there were what he called "Political Catholics" through the Western Europe of his time, that is people who didn't believe actually believe in Catholic Dogmas, Sacraments, etc but who saw Catholicism and the Papacy as a badly need principle of political and cultural order (that was written in the late 1940s and very early 1950s). This phenomena goes back to the French Revolution or if you are wanting to be cynical to Emperor Constantine the Great in the Fourth Century A.D.

Expecting someone to believe in the truth claims of Christianity and more broadly supporting it as a societal construct are two quite different asks

Post in thread 'Do you believe in God, deities, souls, spirits & things like that?' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.co...uls-spirits-things-like-that.1084/post-123078

 

[scolairebocht]

I was speculating about that with Robert Nugent the other day, I am not sure we arrived at too many answers though!:

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Expecting someone to believe in the truth claims of Christianity and more broadly supporting it as a societal construct are two quite different asks

Post in thread 'Do you believe in God, deities, souls, spirits & things like that?' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.co...uls-spirits-things-like-that.1084/post-123078

Yes I agree however in some people's heads the differences can get extremely fuzzy.

Personally I am not sure how much the social utility arguments are in essence different from the so-called "Health and Wealth Gospel" or "Prosperity Gospel" of the very lowest types of Pentecostal that nearly everybody rightly sneers at. I try to avoid making such arguments.

 

[Esatdigiwank]

@feudalist,

Have you come to terms yet with the fact that the Antichrist (Me!) has ‘emerged’ & is ever present here? Just take a look at My Avatar picture on My Profile.

 

[céline]

@feudalist,

Have you come to terms yet with the fact that the Antichrist (Me!) has ‘emerged’ & is ever present here? Just take a look at My Avatar picture on My Profile.

Are you a Communist?

 

[Esatdigiwank]

Are you a Communist?

You disappoint Me with your worthless response.
No, or l would not belong here if l was. Now just answer My Question!

 

[céline]

No, or l would not belong here if l was. Now just answer My Question!

Communism is the type of society which is inherently satanic.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

So it was an attempt to revitalise Christianity in Northern Europe. What is the problem with that? At the end of the day is not the most important thing that people are practising Christianity?

The most important of the "German Christians" Emanuel Hirsch was actually a scholar and even a Theologian of great intellectual substance and he did not reject the Old Testament, though he down played it, or St Paul. The chapter in the below book on him is the most detailed thing I know about him in English though again it must be stressed that he was an outlier in that movement.

Theologians under Hitler : Gerhard Kittel, Paul Althaus, and Emanuel Hirsch - Anna’s Archive

Robert P. Ericksen What led so many German Protestant theologians to welcome the Nazi regime and its policies of racism Yale University Press

annas-archive.se

 

[céline]

The most important of the "German Christians" Emanuel Hirsch was actually a scholar and even a Theologian of great intellectual substance and he did not reject the Old Testament, though he down played it, or St Paul. The chapter in the below book on him is the most detailed thing I know about him in English though again it must be stressed that he was an outlier in that movement.

Theologians under Hitler : Gerhard Kittel, Paul Althaus, and Emanuel Hirsch - Anna’s Archive

Robert P. Ericksen What led so many German Protestant theologians to welcome the Nazi regime and its policies of racism Yale University Press

annas-archive.se

Why are you telling me this?

 

[Professor]

In Ireland? Can't be done, it's too late in mans evolution.
Look at the Burke's - All Brag, No Fact.

 

[AN2]

Yes I agree however in some people's heads the differences can get extremely fuzzy.

That's their problem. For atheists religions are obviously of their time and have the fingerprints of man (who is not divine) all over them

Organised religion is simply a necessity

 

[Tiger]

This is rather similar to your last OP in which several of us booted @Tiger up and down the length and breadth of it, isn't it?

Haha

Oh look, the ghost of James’s dignity has returned to haunt us! attempting redundantly to rewrite history like a true sophist.

But no amount of rhetorical gymnastics can resurrect what was thoroughly buried in the last exchange. Your ego was not merely booted—it was obliterated, and the funeral rites were public for all to see.

Should we hold another ceremonial ritual, or are you just here to dig the hole deeper?

 

[AN2]

Haha

Oh look, the ghost of James’s dignity has returned to haunt us! attempting redundantly to rewrite history like a true sophist.

But no amount of rhetorical gymnastics can resurrect what was thoroughly buried in the last exchange. Your ego was not merely booted—it was obliterated, and the funeral rites were public for all to see.

Should we hold another ceremonial ritual, or are you just here to dig the hole deeper?

Did you just wander in from your Xmas party (which you left early because no one would talk to you)?

It's actually quite typical of your posts in that it has zero substance. Thankfully you spared us ten more paragraphs of it

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

I'm not Catholic but I would say I'm pan-christian & maybe even pantheist. I think everyone should practise religion.

Like a Chrislam?

 

[AN2]

Like a Chrislam?

Starts a thread entitled -

How do we get more people to practise Christianity?​

"But you know, I'm not a Christian meself, might even be a pantheist, who the f*ck knows" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Tiger]

Did you just wander in from your Xmas party (which you left early because no one would talk to you)?

It's actually quite typical of your posts in that it has zero substance. Thankfully you spared us ten more paragraphs of it

No, I didn’t walk in from a Christmas party.

Ah, James, the master of projection strikes again. Your imaginary Christmas party drama is as fictitious as your claim to have 'booted' me in a debate. Let’s not confuse your quips for substance; they’re little more than verbal ornaments—glittering distractions to mask the emptiness beneath. Shall we revisit the moment your dignity crumbled, or would you prefer to keep spinning tales to shield yourself from the memory?

And about dignity—yours met its end when you declared the origins of life were a simple 50/50 toss, as though cosmic probabilities were on par with a game of heads or tails. That intellectual blunder seems to have left you scarred, given the PTSD you exhibit whenever we exchange words. While I enjoy a fulfilling life with a happy marriage, a family, and the honor of coaching in the League of Ireland junior circuit, you sit alone, smoking and drinking, with no wife, no children, and no friends. Perhaps for your own sake, you’d best avoid jibes about being disliked—you might yet preserve a shred of self-respect.