Ben Shapiro released a "Rap Song" a year or so ago.

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When you say 'nationalistic' do you remain Conservative & reactionary?
 
AN2 said:
Judeo-Christian patriots
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What is really creepy is the place where the other rapper with the face tattoos says "And I ask myself what would Ben do".

Everyone who grew up with certain types of Protestant upbringings knows the saying "What would Jesus do?" (and every girl will have had "WWJD" bracelets at least at some time or other).

The term Judeo-Christian by the way was coined by John Toland who was a Donegal Catholic Gael who converted to Protestantism and was rumoured to be a secret Deist if not full blown Athiest or Muslim in the late 17 th century to describe the Ebionites et al.
 
SwordOfStZip said:
Everyone who grew up with certain types of Protestant upbringings knows the saying "What would Jesus do?" (and every girl will have had "WWJD" bracelets at least at some time or other).
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Did you have one of those bracelets in east Belfast Miss?
 
You are a bit late on this one, I thought it was hilarious when I seen that video of those two a year back at least, where I seen the shabbos goy lad with the face tatoos being pushed for a while before, again you're talking back a good year if not two. This is again the khosher right jew push for a while, of the correct messaging, little different to that lex freedman that popped up a few years back out of nowhere as being a massive podcast, there are loads of them now, it's not just little fact's versus feelings little hat wearer, there are many more.

Early life history check, ding ding, it's a Christ killer, is the default, but it's many a evangelical goy who had seen the dollar signs, I mean the light of Christ under the Judeo/Christian reality that came about from somewhere of late, and is somehow a thing on mass. Thank you the USA/JEW alliance, where i should put the brits in there as well, but they are of the now lesser shabbos joy connection from what I can tell, the supposed leftist one. All sides of the same coin, but not all shabbos goy are the same regards use depending on how useful they are to the jew.
 
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I don't think "based" is something necessarily good or necessarily bad, it depends on what and how one is "based". However Ben Shapiro when he is in Palestine hangs out with Machon Shilo Rabbis who are among the most extreme when it comes to issues regarding non-Jews and general anti-humanism, and who are so while coming across as rational and not as frothing at the mouth neo-Hasidic types. He is in favour of flattening Al-Aqsa. So yes I would consider him to be "based". The others mentioned as far as I know are just careerists.
 
SwordOfStZip said:
I don't think "based" is something necessarily good or necessarily bad, it depends on what and how one is "based". However Ben Shapiro when he is in Palestine hangs out with Machon Shilo Rabbis who are among the most extreme when it comes to issues regarding non-Jews and general anti-humanism, and who are so while coming across as rational and not as frothing at the mouth neo-Hasidic types. He is in favour of flattening Al-Aqsa. So yes I would consider him to be "based". The others mentioned as far as I know are just careerists.
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He may be based regarding the Tribe but he isn't from a WN perspective

In fact, if the 'woke is being put away', will kosher conservatives have to come up with a new gimmick filler 🤔
 
AN2 said:
He may be based regarding the Tribe but he isn't from a WN perspective

In fact, if the 'woke is being put away', will kosher conservatives have to come up with a new gimmick filler 🤔
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Well they managed to get rid of "Woke" in general only with the rules of "Woke" applying still very strictly to the group they identify with (and to a lesser extent "normal gayz" though obviously not "Trans"). That is quite an achievement- but also a total negation of notions of "fair play" held by most of the other indigenous groups on these Isles outside of the Scots.
 
SwordOfStZip said:
Well they managed to get rid of "Woke" in general only with the rules of "Woke" applying still very strictly to the group they identify with
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Sounds like you're getting dangerously close to endorsing Konstantin Kisin's (and others) term 'Woke Right'

SwordOfStZip said:
(and to a lesser extent "normal gayz" though obviously not "Trans"). That is quite an achievement- but also a total negation of notions of "fair play" held by most of the other indigenous groups on these Isles outside of the Scots.
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Just putting the trans away would put someone like Piers Morgan out of business, at least as an anti-wokeist, because it's the only thing that he's (moderately) anti-woke about
 
AN2 said:
Sounds like you're getting dangerously close to endorsing Konstantin Kisin's (and others) term 'Woke Right'
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That is interesting. Okay I disagree with them about Churchill and individualism and a lot of other things however I thought Professor Shaul Magid was bang on the money when he drew comparisons, large ones, between the most extreme forms of "Critical Race Theory" and how the majority of the Zionist Jewish Right approach the issues of what they call "Antisemitism" (the turning of anti-Semitism into Antisemitism was not accidental at all). I also have said, all the way back to the days of Pish that some White Nationalists effectively use the phrase "anti-White" similarly to how people like roc_ use the term "antisemitic"- calling something "anti-White" or "antisemitic" is not a proper argument to me, just as things can be anti-Black or anti-Muslim and true, so they can be anti-White and anti-Jewish and true as far as I am concerned.

However I need to add that in an Irish context we most definitely have a "Woke" Right in the shape of Helen McEntee, Leo Varadkar and the likes of "The Nal", "OwedToJoy" and "Jack White" on P.ie. I see you even at your worst in a totally different category to them.

The below I think are really worth reading-

ayinpress.org

Judeopessimism: On Antisemitism and Afropessimism - Ayin Press

In December 2020, The Forward, a national Jewish weekly, published a series of essays about a dispute between an author, ...
ayinpress.org ayinpress.org

www.academia.edu

Judeopessimism: Antisemitism, History, and Critical Race Theory Harvard Theological Review spring 2024

This essay coins a term "Judeopessimism," engaging questions of some of the contemporary writing on antisemitism and its claim to be historical in nature through the lens of critical race theory, specifically Afropessimism and its
www.academia.edu
 
SwordOfStZip said:
That is interesting. Okay I disagree with them about Churchill and individualism and a lot of other things however I thought Professor Shaul Magid was bang on the money when he drew comparisons, large ones, between the most extreme forms of "Critical Race Theory" and how the majority of the Zionist Jewish Right approach the issues of what they call "Antisemitism" (the turning of anti-Semitism into Antisemitism was not accidental at all). I also have said, all the way back to the days of Pish that some White Nationalists effectively use the phrase "anti-White" similarly to how people like roc_ use the term "antisemitic"- calling something "anti-White" or "antisemitic" is not a proper argument to me, just as things can be anti-Black or anti-Muslim and true, so they can be anti-White and anti-Jewish and true as far as I am concerned.

However I need to add that in an Irish context we most definitely have a "Woke" Right in the shape of Helen McEntee, Leo Varadkar and the likes of "The Nal", "OwedToJoy" and "Jack White" on P.ie. I see you even at your worst in a totally different category to them.

The below I think are really worth reading-

ayinpress.org

Judeopessimism: On Antisemitism and Afropessimism - Ayin Press

In December 2020, The Forward, a national Jewish weekly, published a series of essays about a dispute between an author, ...
ayinpress.org ayinpress.org

www.academia.edu

Judeopessimism: Antisemitism, History, and Critical Race Theory Harvard Theological Review spring 2024

This essay coins a term "Judeopessimism," engaging questions of some of the contemporary writing on antisemitism and its claim to be historical in nature through the lens of critical race theory, specifically Afropessimism and its
www.academia.edu
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'Woke Right' is not being right-wing (in your opinion) and 'woke', like the Irish politicians you mention. Would you cop yourself on, stop tying yourself in knots and try to understand things
 
AN2 said:
'Woke Right' is not being right-wing (in your opinion) and 'woke', like the Irish politicians you mention. Would you cop yourself on, stop tying yourself in knots and try to understand things
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Fine Gael are Right wing, "The Nal" even more so- you refuse to see this because you don't really care, by your own admission, about economic stuff (which is the basis of their whole approach to politics). Most "Normies" would agree that Leo Varadkar is Right wing.
 
SwordOfStZip said:
Fine Gael are Right wing, "The Nal" even more so- you refuse to see this because you don't really care, by your own admission, about economic stuff (which is the basis of their whole approach to politics). Most "Normies" would agree that Leo Varadkar is Right wing.
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Yes, I don't care about economics

All of these people are far-left and 'woke'
 
AN2 said:
All of these people are far-left and 'woke'
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There are people on Politics.ie who believe that I am literally a Neo-Nazi, I am a pretty sure who would dismiss that opinion as border line clinical insanity, can you not see that a lot of people would have very similar responses to your claim that Fine Gael TDs are Far Left? By the way does anyone remember "Dublin4"'s theories about how Leo Varadkar was going to deliever us all from mass immigration, etc?
 
" " " By the way does anyone remember "Dublin4"'s theories about how Leo Varadkar was going to deliever us all from mass " " "

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
SwordOfStZip said:
Most "Normies" would agree that Leo Varadkar is Right wing.
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SwordOfStZip said:
There are people on Politics.ie who believe that I am literally a Neo-Nazi
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There are people on Gaychat who believe that Trump is literally Hitler

SwordOfStZip said:
I am a pretty sure who would dismiss that opinion as border line clinical insanity, can you not see that a lot of people would have very similar responses to your claim that Fine Gael TDs are Far Left?
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Yes, the same people who believe that Trump is literally Hitler
 
AN2 said:
Ben Shapiro defends Judeo-Christianity


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_mcBejQjq7E
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To me Ben Shapiro comes across as a the type of slimey ethical weasal and effete character that the more masculine of men or even just normal men would find shudder inducing- it is totally counter-intuitive to me that you have all these macho lads so to speak in the USA and even elsewhere who like and respect him exist at all no mind in signifcant numbers.
 
I think the reason that Ben Shapiro's (and Jordan Peterson's) propaganda works is that they have this strange knack of making dimwits believe that they are clever by listening to them. They have this eerie ability to induce intellectual hubris in the dim witted. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe roc_ claimed that is how White Nationalist propaganda worked? I don't see it working that way at all.
 
What exactly do you mean by 'White Nationalism', Swords? Do you mean National Socialism?

I ascribe to Evola's definition of race, which is not merely 'white' & 'nationalism' is also a word I don't like. Napoléon Bonaparte was a Nationalist but he certainly wasn't conservative or reactionary.

I agree that a lot of people attracted to National Socialism may be 'semi-literate shut-ins' but I wouldn't say I find my ideas online. I find them in books.
 
feudalist said:
What exactly do you mean by 'White Nationalism', Swords? Do you mean National Socialism?

I ascribe to Evola's definition of race, which is not merely 'white' & 'nationalism' is also a word I don't like. Napoléon Bonaparte was a Nationalist but he certainly wasn't conservative or reactionary.

I agree that a lot of people attracted to National Socialism may be 'semi-literate shut-ins' but I wouldn't say I find my ideas online. I find them in books.
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I mean basically the ideology promoted by Mark Collet and others of his ilk in this context.

I don't think the term "White" is a very useful category particularly maybe even when it comes to building a Nationalism around outside of maybe North America. I do though think if you strip Evola's ideas on Race as he understood that term of his at times romanticizing and posturing than you do get a nuanced and holistic framework to grapple with these realities in a productive and realistic manner.
 
SwordOfStZip said:
I think the reason that Ben Shapiro's (and Jordan Peterson's) propaganda works is that they have this strange knack of making dimwits believe that they are clever by listening to them. They have this eerie ability to induce intellectual hubris in the dim witted. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe roc_ claimed that is how White Nationalist propaganda worked? I don't see it working that way at all.
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White nationalism is rather basic. It's baffling to me that one couldn't understand the ideology of someone like Mark Collett or Laura Towler

I would say it (white nationalism) encompasses three things:

1. Ethnonationalism (extended)
2. Race realism
3. Antisemitism

You don't even need to embrace all three to be a WN. For example, I think most people would say that Jared Taylor is a WN but he doesn't really touch three (sometimes called the third rail)
 
SwordOfStZip said:
I mean basically the ideology promoted by Mark Collet and others of his ilk in this context.

I don't think the term "White" is a very useful category particularly maybe even when it comes to building a Nationalism around outside of maybe North America. I do though think if you strip Evola's ideas on Race as he understood that term of his at times romanticizing and posturing than you do get a nuanced and holistic framework to grapple with these realities in a productive and realistic manner.
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Evola lived in pre white genocide times

An important (and I think obvious) distinction to be aware of when considering any of these historical figures' validity
 
Mods vs Roc_ers said:
I doubt I was specifically referring to "Jambo nationalism" (as we might refer to US white supremacism filtered through his UK "influencers" and his clown-like attempts to import that into an Irish context etc.)

You're probably recalling something I said that was along the following lines:

"... this forum is particularly bad because it attracts a fringe population of semi-literate paranoids and shut-ins who seek admission to intellectual life by regurgitating conspiracies, slogans, dystopian ideologies, dogmas, mantras, that they find on-line.

Idiots who obviously have difficulty understanding the world as it actually works, who struggle to comprehend cause-and-effect in politics and economics. And they think that their simplistic anti-establishment, anti-western, anti-Israel positions bestow them with a superior and sensationalist wisdom, mitigating their feelings of inferiority in real life..."

etc.
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Would see AN2's talk of White people as White people undergoing a genocide as hysterical talk?

If so do you believe that he and/or others have adopted this over the top approach because they have seen hysterics work for other groups?
 
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Noting that these buzzwords are what have motivated most of the "far right" attacks, including the 2011 terrorist attacks in Norway.
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That horrific massacre was not motivated by White Nationalism but rather by anti-Muslim sectarian hatred inspired largely by Zionist sources. Brievik even saw himself as an "Anti-Fascist".
 
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Mods vs Roc_ers said:
@feudalist

Jambo nationalism is basically a compilation of buzzwords.

This compilation is modelled very closely on the following American version. Have a read:

http://mantra.awardspace.us/

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The game for the Jambo nationalist collective is all online, not book based.

It basically consists in producing and sharing "content" based around these buzzwords, and broadcasting it around on the internet.

If you look at the personalities who came up with these buzzwords, and trace their ideological roots, you may find commonalities, granted I am not familiar with your posts.

But take for example the chap who came up with the tactic of adopting these slogans listed in that link and endlessly repeating them.

Indeed the same chap coined the phrases "white genocide", and came up with the popular strawman phrase, "... Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white...", and incessantly promoted this new term of his, "anti-white" during his life.

Noting that these buzzwords are what have motivated most of the "far right" attacks, including the 2011 terrorist attacks in Norway.

Now apparently this all consists a "nationalism". I guess though its adherents would be blithe to it being a socialist or capitalist nationalism. Just as turned out in its prior incarnation.

Anyway, there's an outline of it.
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SwordOfStZip said:
Would see AN2's talk of White people as White people undergoing a genocide as hysterical talk?
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"I think there's nothing meaningful about "the white race", and by extension, "white genocide", or "anti-white", or all that other stuff."

- @roc_abilly
 
Mods vs Roc_ers said:
You were being tested on your views and ideas about nationalism in the Irish context to try and find out what the fuck you were on about. I said in full:

"... I think there's nothing meaningful about "the white race", and by extension, "white genocide", or "anti-white", or all that other stuff. [i.e. your buzzwords].

By all means refer to the Irish as a race if you like. But in the context of referring to their doings, their history, their heritage, their achievements, their laws, their books, their culture, even if you like, their origins..."

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SwordOfStZip said:
That horrific massacre was not motivated by White Nationalism but rather by anti-Muslim sectarian hatred inspired largely by Zionist sources. Brievik even saw himself as an "Anti-Fascist".
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He killed the young progeny of leftist politicians

Leftists don't particularly care how white genocide is carried out. It's the same with Jews, well some of them anyway, they're divided. So for example @Mods vs Roc_ers is finicky about it being done with Muslims.
 
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He killed the young progeny of leftist politicians

Leftists don't particularly care how white genocide is carried out. It's the same with Jews, well some of them anyway, they're divided. So for example @Mods vs Roc_ers is finicky about it being done with Muslims.
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He killed a bunch of normal kids on some Social Democratic summer camp type thing. A lot of them which raises questions about whether he did act alone.

Even Leftists into all this "Critical Whiteness" waffle do not actually want to mass murder people racialized as White, that is not what they mean about "Abolishing Whiteness".

roc_ is NOT a Leftist for good or ill. You have actually people accusing him on P.ie of being a TUV Protestant Fundamentalist.
 

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