China, the fall of President Xi Jinping and possibly the Chinese Communist Party

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Social networks and dissident Chinese youtube channels (but not the mass media as of yet) have been abuzz for the last few months with speculation that President Xi Jinping, the iron ruler, almost dictator, of China of the last few years, has fallen from power and is awaiting his fate at the hands of his colleagues in the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). This might have happened because of enemies of his, and to a degree the CCP in general, inside China, Russia and the US:


Inside China

The Chinese Premier, Li Keqiang, was reported to have had a fatal heart attack in the swimming pool of the Shanghai Dongjiao Hotel on the 26 October 2023. But it has since been claimed, via a Chinese whistleblower now in Burma, that it was all along a political assassination, presumably initiated by President Xi.(1) The point here is that all these Communist parties, including for example the Soviet Communist Party at least from the time of Khrushchev, while having fierce internal power plays and rivalries, never resort to actually killing each other. Its kind of an unwritten rule, a bit like ‘made men’ in the mafia, and if Xi really did authorise a killing like this, then that is a clear red line that the top ranks of the Chinese Communist Party are not likely to forgive and forget.

The other point is the rather obvious one that the CCP is an oligarchy, not, at least since the times of Mao and maybe Deng, a dictatorship, and hence the role of leader of China has been filled only to a maximum of two five year terms. When Xi breached that a few years ago, going for a third term, he alienated all the others, who went from jostling for a power they might hope at one day to hold, to just waiting on Xi’s every word, scrambling for the crumbs of power and influence that fall from his table. This is not what the CCP are used to or, in the case of many of them, like very much.

In general too its not just the question of Li Keqiang, there have been numerous purges, humiliations and falls from grace that must have alienated a lot of people in China. By ‘humiliations’ I mean for example what happened to the previous leader, Hu Jintao, in 2022, as you can see in this video:



He is reported to be one of the people who have quietly come back, to steady the ship after the reported fall of Xi. Even hugely powerful and wealthy business people, like Jack Ma of Alibaba for example, have disappeared from view in strange circumstances.
So in short there must be a huge build up of enemies of Xi within China, who may have now overwhelmed him in some sense. This could be allied to problems that have arisen in some of his policies, for example:

Economic policies.
In short, public and private debt levels in China are reckoned to be very high, and are generally secured against property prices (like private mortgages obviously). However these have been falling in China especially since the bankruptcy of Evergrande, the huge property company, so its unclear how the public who are tied up in this debt, or the banks or big businesses, are going to survive in an economy very used to huge growth levels but which have now declined markedly.
For example even BYD, the huge EV car maker much ballyhooed and championed by Xi, is in big trouble with a price war against Tesla, growing unpopularity with EVs in general, and facing massive tariffs in the US and possibly elsewhere.(2) If it was to go under, you can easily see how that might impact on Xi’s popularity, and his perception within the Party if they know this is to happen.
There is also of course the possibility of widespread social unrest with this economic downturn. There are many millions out there working from 9 in the morning to 9 at night, 6 days a week, whose only asset is an apartment say, who now face losing that in a country not known for its social security safety net.

The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).
This is Xi’s flagship policy, supporting infrastructure and other works overseas in a way that would bend world supply lines (like shipping lanes and oil and gas pipelines) to more depend on and centre on China. This might have been somewhat successful but to many in China it looks like foreign aid to places like Africa, when many Chinese natives are very poor and would like that aid to go to themselves. Hence its not as popular within China as some might suppose.

The possibility of war over Taiwan and great support to Russia in Ukraine, and a possibility of strongly supporting Iran against Israel.
Xi comes across in these debates as the hawk in China, for example it looks like he was preparing to invade Taiwan quite soon, maybe even already if he was still in power, and in general is known as a strong supporter of the Russians in the Ukraine War and was thought to be anxious to resupply Iran in a militant manner.
That might have made him unpopular, because some might have seen a Taiwan war as a gamble they don’t wish to take. Obviously the Chinese military machine is huge right now, well able to overawe a smallish island in Taiwan, but such an invasion brings obvious risks. The point is that the Peoples Republic of China versus Taiwan is no contest (although it could be quite bloody) but China v. Japan (which has just rearmed to quite an extent in recent years), the Philippines, South Korea and the USA, if such a coalition was possible (and the US approach to Taiwan is deliberately ambiguous), is a different thing entirely. That is, as I say, a gamble, and if you are sitting on the huge pile of riches and privileges that the Chinese Communist party sits on, why gamble at all?
So Xi’s reported war mongering, might have also made him unpopular.


Russian attitude

Before this President Putin and Russia have been very strong supporters and allies of Xi. Xi has been a strong supporter of the Ukraine war and is helping out the Russians quite a lot there in logistics (as of course are the North Koreans, allied, to an extent, with China). However, its reported that a senior Chinese defector to Russia (who was sent back) advised them that China has contingency plans to invade Russian Siberia. Any possibility at all of the Chinese threatening the Russian East while their forces are in Europe dealing with Ukraine, no doubt went down very very badly in the Kremlin, so Xi might have made enemies here as well.(3)
 
US attitude

(By the US I mean here its deep state, i.e. the Occult groups that really control the US in my opinion, and whose aim of course is the creation of a one world totalitarian government, they don’t in fact act in the US’s interests at all.)
In general, the US has been the hand maiden and protector of the Chinese Communist Party. Yes, a true statement, and even at least partially acknowledged by a commentator on a recent high level US think tank discussion on China.(4) All this talk about the Chinese copying this and that very secretive American technology is generally untrue, the US just gave it to them you will find. Why? Because this deep state favours Communism, Communism is the closest system to the type of totalitarian state that this group is trying to promote worldwide, so why not support it in China? Look at the Social Credit system and the huge very advanced surveillance apparatus in China, as well as the first to create the Covid lockdown system, etc etc, of course this US group is in favour of all that.

The question then arises is this support for the CCP still in place or are they now moving against China, and Xi in particular? Its hard to say but there are some aspects of modern China that they dislike. China retains quite an ethnic identity and unique historical and cultural outlook, for example people still talk there about Confucius etc. But thats unacceptable in the New World Order they are trying to create, there is to be no national identity anywhere and so this Chinese nationalism, like all nationalism, is a red flag to them.

Furthermore in Occult lore the US is to be the arrowhead ushering in this totalitarian world government known as the New World Order (NWO). The US is to be the undisputed world leader for these last few years before the NWO, and the Chinese have grown too strong and are challenging that status. For example the US wants to control space exploration and infrastructure I believe. This is possibly because of the upcoming alien hoax that they are planning and at any rate if you listen to some US commentators they get very annoyed at recent Chinese advances in this area.

Also this group might see an opportunity in the fall of Xi and maybe with him the CCP in China, for example:
– Particularly if it descends into Civil War, this fall of the CCP would probably lead to huge migration flows out of China to all over the world (because the Chinese tend to have networks, Chinatowns for example, all over the world). This is marvellous for the Occult groups, they always try to promote mass migration movements like this because it helps in destroying communities, ethnic balances and identities in the countries they will flee to.
– Chinese banks are now the largest in the world by some distance, and going by the shocking precedent set in the early days of the Ukraine War, this US group might just seize these assets the moment any war or serious internal trouble starts in China. This would include the big Chinese holdings in US dollar denominated financial instruments, which otherwise might get sold and collapse the dollar. This is a cynical reason to include here but if you listen to the US think tank debate mentioned earlier, you will see open planning by them to do just that, and very lucrative it might be for some!

At any rate we won’t have long to wait to see how this pans out, most of the Chinese commentators are saying that if President Xi has indeed fallen from power behind the scenes, then this will come out in the open somewhat, soon, probably in the coming August or September.

by Brian Nugent, http://www.orwellianireland.com


Footnotes
1. https://www.visiontimes.com/2025/06...he-fractures-splitting-chinas-leadership.html .

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRTPkG612d0
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTTSvKejWdw
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y22xe-9Thh0
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Betting against the CCP.
A lot of hubris and hopium.
 
They are a powerful entity for sure, but China is certainly facing powerful problems right now!
 
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Maybe the short 10 days tariff threat is actually aimed squarely at China
 
Maybe the short 10 days tariff threat is actually aimed squarely at China
The Chinese can hurt the US quiet acutely in return
Dumping treasury bonds to start.
Trump can bluster but this isn't going to work on the Chinese.
 
They are a powerful entity for sure, but China is certainly facing powerful problems right now!
It's big task is to turn into a consumer economy as well as a physical goods producer.
 
The US might use the tariff punishment to just default on the treasury bonds the chinese own and give them a nuce 1200 billion dollar kick in the Low Meins.
 
The US might use the tariff punishment to just default on the treasury bonds the chinese own and give them a nuce 1200 billion dollar kick in the Low Meins.
And the rest of the world.
That's going to work out well !
 
Anyway, in case people aren't following this: The main figure involved in curbing President Xi, as described above, is General Zhang Youxia and the internet is now flooded with reports that he has been arrested. If that is true then we have got a kind of counter coup and who knows how that will play out just as the Iran tensions seem to be reaching a climax.
 
So Xi is secure and the other lad is getting a bullet???
 
Seems that way? That Xi is back in real power, but if all this is true, and we cannot be sure yet, the question is the reaction of the General's power base in the army, will they fight back, literally?
 
I dont follow them but I do remember the big dhot that got bum rushed out of the Assembly about a year ago
 
Some are now saying that the arrest of the general is confirmed, if so this is what the head body of the Chinese army, the Central Military Commission, now looks like. As you can see, its much more unstable right now in China than most realise.
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Some are now saying that the arrest of the general is confirmed, if so this is what the head body of the Chinese army, the Central Military Commission, now looks like. As you can see, its much more unstable right now in China than most realise.
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You'd be getting seriously worried if you were the guy bottom right !
 
Its confirmed here:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFsdjun9n6c
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Absolutely clarke-connolly, the point is that if you are a military guy, say down the ranks under Zhang Youxia and cooperated with him in thwarting Xi over the last year or so, what do you do now? Do you wait for the knock on the door or will you mobilise some of the forces under your command? Anyway who knows what will happen...
 
Bit late mobilizing now surely???????
 
Thats what they are saying, the Chinese dissidents online, that any fight back would have to be soon. Bear in mind that I don't think its more than 24 hours since the arrests were confirmed.
 
Thats what they are saying, the Chinese dissidents online, that any fight back would have to be soon. Bear in mind that I don't think its more than 24 hours since the arrests were confirmed.
I would imagine that the Chinese military has been structured in such a fashion to neutralise such revolts.
Especially since the cultural revolution.
 
This story appears to have gone very quiet. Looking around at what news there is, and there appears to be nothing less than three days old, it seems that Xi has taken a firmer grip of the army, why was he so worried that he felt he had to do that?
 
I think the West is covering up for Xi, it hasn't died down at all in the Chinese dissident media, they are saying Xi has bitten off more than he can chew.
 
Sorry Mad as FIsh, as Sarsfields resident foreign correspondent (and general factorem!) I should have replied sooner!, but to be honest its too unclear to say what is precisely happening right now in Beijing, we get every rumour from artillery duels, and videos of those explosions in the night, to mild negotiations and everything in between.

But I think its fair to say that we are at least getting a little clarity on the period immediately before this which it might be interesting to talk about (particularly from a letter that might have been written by Zhang recently). This story is a question of plena, firstly the Third Plenary Session of the 20th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, held on the 15-18th July 2024 and secondly the Fourth such plenum, held on the 20th to the 23rd of October 2025.

During the first such plenum we are talking about Xi at his height, and with that multiple bloody purges of senior figures in the army, party and bureaucracy and I think growing anger behind the scenes towards him and his imperial ambitions, as opposed to the usual oligarchic structure of the Chinese Communist Party. Then Xi got ill and it seems at this point General Zhang Youxia asserted his authority, firstly over the army but then, to a degree, over the country. This is the kind of soft coup described above, and now seems indeed to have happened.

But, it turns out that Zhang had never any intention of being a dictator himself and so it was more a question of him now saying to the party elders, people like Hu Jintao, you sort out the situation now and solve the Xi problem for starters. That obviously means what do you do with him, who was now a kind of puppet leader.

Its easy to say now that at this time the party elders ought to have just thrown Xi in jail when they had the chance, but you must understand that they have wider considerations. First of all some of them are ideologically committed to the party and the system, in many cases their fathers and grandfathers had founded it (e.g. Zhang;s father was a founding general of the PLA) so they wanted what was best for the party and system and possibly too wide a rupture, which a dramatic Xi fall might cause, would not be optimal for the system.

Also these people are sitting on top of an unexploded volcano. There are vast masses of disillusioned Chinese out there, oppressed by Covid and the social credit type schemes, and dissidents created by the experiences of Tiananmen Square, the crackdown on Hong Kong and from Xi's purges. So the party elders know that if there is a crack in the wall of the party's invincibility then a hoard of Chinese are going to rush through it and will soon have all of their heads on a pike. Again if Xi was only going to go screaming into the night, as opposed to cooperating, then that break in the wall might seem visible, and it was a risk they didn't wish to take.

Anyway these are the great debates that passed in the summer of 2025 leading to that next plenum and, bottom line, they blinked. Xi was allowed to hold all his offices, they hoped nominally. But actually Xi quietly assumed his dominant role from then on and in time he was bound to clash with the two Generals, some say over the immediate issue of Taiwan, with Xi pushing for it and Zhang resisting.

Now we have the announcement of Xi going after the Generals, Zhang and Liu Zhenli, made on the 24th January, its stated after some heave against them on the 19th, and outside those bare facts we can be certain of nothing.

One of the first stories was of an attempted coup by Zhang, beginning with an attack on Xi at a Beijing hotel, but increasingly this looks like Xi propaganda.

Now the debate rests on were the Generals even arrested, or did they get free later and specifically the question is are troops loyal to the Generals now making a move on Beijing.

Who knows but there seems to be a general consensus that Xi does not in fact have the situation in hand now at all, that he simply does not have the support of the army or what remains of the Oligarchy, hence we could be witnessing the beginning of the end of the Chinese Communist Party.
 
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Sorry Mad as FIsh, as Sarsfields resident foreign correspondent (and general factorem!) I should have replied sooner!, but to be honest its too unclear to say what is precisely happening right now in Beijing, we get every rumour from artillery duels, and videos of those explosions in the night, to mild negotiations and everything in between.

But I think its fair to say that we are at least getting a little clarity on the period immediately before this which it might be interesting to talk about (particularly from a letter that might have been written by Zhang recently). This story is a question of plena, firstly the Third Plenary Session of the 20th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, held on the 15-18th July 2024 and secondly the Fourth such plenum, held on the 20th to the 23rd of October 2025.

During the first such plenum we are talking about Xi at his height, and with that multiple bloody purges of senior figures in the army, party and bureaucracy and I think growing anger behind the scenes towards him and his imperial ambitions, as opposed to the usual oligarchic structure of the Chinese Communist Party. Then Xi got ill and it seems at this point General Zhang Youxia asserted his authority, firstly over the army but then, to a degree, over the country. This is the kind of soft coup described above, and now seems indeed to have happened.

But, it turns out that Zhang had never any intention of being a dictator himself and so it was more a question of him now saying to the party elders, people like Hu Jintao, you sort out the situation now and solve the Xi problem for starters. That obviously means what do you do with him, who was now a kind of puppet leader.

Its easy to say now that at this time the party elders ought to have just thrown Xi in jail when they had the chance, but you must understand that they have wider considerations. First of all some of them are ideologically committed to the party and the system, in many cases their fathers and grandfathers had founded it (e.g. Zhang;s father was a founding general of the PLA) so they wanted what was best for the party and system and possibly too wide a rupture, which a dramatic Xi fall might cause, would not be optimal for the system.

Also these people are sitting on top of an unexploded volcano. There are vast masses of disillusioned Chinese out there, oppressed by Covid and the social credit type schemes, and dissidents created by the experiences of Tiananmen Square, the crackdown on Hong Kong and from Xi's purges. So the party elders know that if there is a crack in the wall of the party's invincibility then a hoard of Chinese are going to rush through it and will soon have all of their heads on a pike. Again if Xi was only going to go screaming into the night, as opposed to cooperating, then that break in the wall might seem visible, and it was a risk they didn't wish to take.

Anyway these are the great debates that passed in the summer of 2025 leading to that next plenum and, bottom line, they blinked. Xi was allowed to hold all his offices, they hoped nominally. But actually Xi quietly assumed his dominant role from then on and in time he was bound to clash with the two Generals, some say over the immediate issue of Taiwan, with Xi pushing for it and Zhang resisting.

Now we have the announcement of Xi going after the Generals, Zhang and Liu Zhenli, made on the 24th January, its stated after some heave against them on the 19th, and outside those bare facts we can be certain of nothing.

One of the first stories was of an attempted coup by Zhang, beginning with an attack on Xi at a Beijing hotel, but increasingly this looks like Xi propaganda.

Now the debate rests on were the Generals even arrested, or did they get free later and specifically the question is are troops loyal to the Generals now making a move on Beijing.

Who knows but there seems to be a general consensus that Xi does not in fact have the situation in hand now at all, that he simply does not have the support of the army or what remains of the Oligarchy, hence we could be witnessing the beginning of the end of the Chinese Communist Party.
The fulsome reply is appreciated Scolairebocht, and it does, as you say present, a rather different picture to that which the search engines allow us.

As described by yourself, It seems China is shown to be a country of two parts, the communist party and the rest of it. The former is focussed on the power structure while the latter appears to be concerned about progress, at whatever cost. The government, that is to say the officials who manage the place, is caught in between, implementing whatever the latest policy appeas to be.

Economically it appears to have worked a miracle over the previous two or three dcades but at what cost? You note that the ranks of the dissedents are swelling but which of the two factions will bow to them, if either? Should Xi fade will the new regime back off the authoritarianism? Since it will be equally seeped in the desire to gather and maintain power I really can't see that happening.

To me the major question is whether any change at the top will make any change further down, and short of a revolution I really doubt it, the world will no doubt carry on much as before.
 
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I believe that the coup has been neutralised.
Thousands detained.
 
You are quite correct, Mad as Fish, thats what people are saying, the internal party critics of Xi will never properly stand up to him so long as in their minds eye they prioritise the continuation of CCP dominance.

But its also possible that Xi has just gone too far this time and thats why I think anyway, its the beginning of the end. There are so many rumours of generals and admirals and politicians mysteriously dying at this time it has got to seem like too much of a horror to continue to support Xi.

Some guy put it like this, if you are a general wanting to know what way to jump so you have two choices and each with two possible outcomes:
A. You support Xi and either of these will happen:
1. Xi's opponents win, you could be executed and certainly out of a job.
2. Xi wins, you are Ok in the short term, but Xi is so addicted to purges inevitably he will come for you in time, no matter what happens.
B. You oppose Xi:
1. Xi's opponents win, you are in the clear for good.
2. Xi wins, you get executed.
In a curious way you have only one way out, and thats to oppose Xi!
 

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