Could Iran v Israel turn nuclear? A possible indication from the Occult/Masonic world

[Mad as Fish]

If so, Iran is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

If Iran suceeds in putting some manners on Israel and the US that will surely be seen as a victory by the rest of the world I would have thought.

 

[Declan]

Not really, it means that Iran will be pounded more efficiently in two years by a million drones

 

[Mad as Fish]

So ok what do people think, how will this end? Trump, for one, is hyping this war up enormously, it will be over yesterday with a US victory according to him and yet I don't how they achieve that? So scenarios:

- The US/Israel wins the war with airpower alone. That almost never happened in history (although the recent Venezuela operation might be an example) and it doesn't look at all likely that Iran is about to throw up a white flag soon? Remember only a small proportion of Iranian missiles have to hit home in the builtup modern cities of Israel and the Gulf states, for them to hurt much more than Iran, which is simply protected by its size. (For example, by my crude calculations, Israel, admittedly minus the West Bank, is only about 10 miles across at its narrowest point, and Iran at its narrowest point is about 500 miles wide! Its bound to be the case in an artillery duel, which this is, that that small country would lose out.)

- The US launches a ground invasion, maybe beginning with an incursion via the Kurds in Iraq. They are certainly talking about and leaking that now, but that doesn't make it very easy. Iran fought a huge war along that frontier with Iraq not that long ago, they will know all the mountain passes (a lot of it is mountainous in the Kurdish region) and they are well capable of throwing up a few artillery shells to stop that, and are reported to be doing that already.
That said the US has some gigantic military assets to use if it did come to a ground invasion, helicopter gunships etc etc, it is possible they could prevail quickly, or at least destabilise Iran?

- Israel gives up and sues for peace and is taken over by some multinational military mission? That's not impossible, they look very extended and they could easily just lose in Lebanon say and hurt too much under Iranian bombardment.

- Either side uses nuclear weapons. For Israel or the US to use them now looks catastrophic for their world standing, because they said that was the reason for attacking Iran in the first place, but maybe if they got desperate (and Trump sounds a bit like that now)? If Iran used it now its possible they would actually have some international sympathy.

- A huge worldwide recession is sparked off by this crisis, with its effect on the petrodollar etc etc. If the powers that be had planned this recession before then they could use this crisis as an excuse to kick it off, meaning instead of blaming central banks you have Iran as a scapegoat?

Anyway what do people think?

I fail to understand how a country can be considered conquered without some sort of occupying force. To all intents and purposes it appears that America is expecting the internal opposition to rise up and replace the present regime, with America being granted the privilage of selecting the next president!

 

[Mad as Fish]

America's stratagy appears to be to continue killing Iranian leaders until it gets one it likes -

US President Donald Trump on Sunday said that the new supreme leader of Iran “is not going to last long” without his approval as reports suggest that Tehran has picked its next leader following Ayatollah Khamenei’s death.

US-Israel vs Iran War News LIVE Updates: Iran names Khamenei’s son, Mojtaba, as new supreme leader, state media reports

US Israel Iran War News Live Updates: At least 1 Indian national killed, others injured after a military projectile struck residential building, Saudi Arabia govt said on Sunday.

indianexpress.com

I should think this is unprecedented and defies all rules of humane and civilised conduct. I am sure there is some sort of established principe that countries at war do not go assassinating the leader of the enemy, but I can't recall what it is referred to as.

 

[clarke-connolly]

In fairness ~ I am in favour of killing People that I don't like ! ! !

I most probably wouldn't do it, unless I was in, what I considered a War Situation !

And had the kind of Fire-Power necessary ! ! !

 

[Declan]

 

[Declan]

Looks like my video was yet again, another bullseye.


I should be charging ye an ounce of silver yearly(joke)

 

[Diarmuid]

The last war was 12 days. Hopefully this war will be over soon. MSM reporting Israeli strikes in Iran, not US. Also lots of Iranian attacks on Gulf states, not Israel.

On offguardian site, good article looking at globalist links to Iranian govt. They are members of the IMF, for example, and they were all in with Covid - they took a 5 billion IMF loan to help. Plus lots of US contact with Ayatollah Khomeini while he was in exile before the overthrow of the Shah.

MSM are pushing oil price rises, with a view to bringing in economic recession and general panic, etc.

Meanwhile, the leaves are starting to grow on the trees. Spring is here

 

[Perry]

So ok what do people think, how will this end? Trump, for one, is hyping this war up enormously, it will be over yesterday with a US victory according to him and yet I don't how they achieve that? So scenarios:

- The US/Israel wins the war with airpower alone. That almost never happened in history (although the recent Venezuela operation might be an example) and it doesn't look at all likely that Iran is about to throw up a white flag soon? Remember only a small proportion of Iranian missiles have to hit home in the builtup modern cities of Israel and the Gulf states, for them to hurt much more than Iran, which is simply protected by its size. (For example, by my crude calculations, Israel, admittedly minus the West Bank, is only about 10 miles across at its narrowest point, and Iran at its narrowest point is about 500 miles wide! Its bound to be the case in an artillery duel, which this is, that that small country would lose out.)

- The US launches a ground invasion, maybe beginning with an incursion via the Kurds in Iraq. They are certainly talking about and leaking that now, but that doesn't make it very easy. Iran fought a huge war along that frontier with Iraq not that long ago, they will know all the mountain passes (a lot of it is mountainous in the Kurdish region) and they are well capable of throwing up a few artillery shells to stop that, and are reported to be doing that already.
That said the US has some gigantic military assets to use if it did come to a ground invasion, helicopter gunships etc etc, it is possible they could prevail quickly, or at least destabilise Iran?

- Israel gives up and sues for peace and is taken over by some multinational military mission? That's not impossible, they look very extended and they could easily just lose in Lebanon say and hurt too much under Iranian bombardment.

- Either side uses nuclear weapons. For Israel or the US to use them now looks catastrophic for their world standing, because they said that was the reason for attacking Iran in the first place, but maybe if they got desperate (and Trump sounds a bit like that now)? If Iran used it now its possible they would actually have some international sympathy.

- A huge worldwide recession is sparked off by this crisis, with its effect on the petrodollar etc etc. If the powers that be had planned this recession before then they could use this crisis as an excuse to kick it off, meaning instead of blaming central banks you have Iran as a scapegoat?

Anyway what do people think?

A fudge will be dreamed up. All Iran has to do is keep the straits shut. The pressure on the US to declare some kind of victory and withdraw will be immense if this goes on for weeks, especially if Iran allows Chinese exports to safely pass through while the EU barely keeps the lights on, and inflation goes through the roof in the US. Worst case scenario, Trump uses a nuke, justifying it in his own head that it was necessary for peace.

 

[Mad as Fish]

A fudge will be dreamed up. All Iran has to do is keep the straits shut. The pressure on the US to declare some kind of victory and withdraw will be immense if this goes on for weeks, especially if Iran allows Chinese exports to safely pass through while the EU barely keeps the lights on, and inflation goes through the roof in the US. Worst case scenario, Trump uses a nuke, justifying it in his own head that it was necessary for peace.

Sanctions by threatening to sink ships tend to be a little more effective than endless red tape, the method preferred by the EU.

 

[Declan]

The last war was 12 days. Hopefully this war will be over soon. MSM reporting Israeli strikes in Iran, not US. Also lots of Iranian attacks on Gulf states, not Israel.

On offguardian site, good article looking at globalist links to Iranian govt. They are members of the IMF, for example, and they were all in with Covid - they took a 5 billion IMF loan to help. Plus lots of US contact with Ayatollah Khomeini while he was in exile before the overthrow of the Shah.

MSM are pushing oil price rises, with a view to bringing in economic recession and general panic, etc.

Meanwhile, the leaves are starting to grow on the trees. Spring is here

Very possible. Brendon O Connell the Aussie, believes the Agenda is to end up with Iran and Italy bordering and both powerful, everything between, gobbled up.

I am having that moment when a Faithful finally clicks who the Traitor is

 

[scolairebocht]

Craig Murray, the former British ambassador to Uzbekistan is hinting he believes Israel will use a nuclear weapon soon:
View: https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/2030787432505856359
and George Galloway, the well known former Scottish MP, and sometime presenter on Iranian TV, has just interviewed a retired US Army Lieut Colonel who is certain that the US/Israel will use such a thing 'in the coming days':
View: https://x.com/_ZachFoster/status/2030843781226901828?s=20

 

[jpc]

Craig Murray, the former British ambassador to Uzbekistan is hinting he believes Israel will use a nuclear weapon soon:
View: https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/2030787432505856359
and George Galloway, the well known former Scottish MP, and sometime presenter on Iranian TV, has just interviewed a retired US Army Lieut Colonel who is certain that the US/Israel will use such a thing 'in the coming days':
View: https://x.com/_ZachFoster/status/2030843781226901828?s=20

It seems that the western masses are being conditioned for such an atrocity.
This is a dreadful soulless time.

 

[Declan]

I expect to be doing a video today

 

[Wolf]

The retarded gowls in the EU really have gotten themselves into a serious mess now.
Imagine the mentality it took to go to war with Russia by proxy and to sanction the fuck out of that country, a country that was supplying the whole block with reasonably priced oil and gas.
Even if the gowls went begging to Putin now he'd most likely tell them where to go and he'd be 100% correct doing that.

Iran war exposes EU blunder in sanctioning Russia – Putin envoy​

Brent oil prices peaked at nearly $120 per barrel as another energy crisis looms

Kirill Dmitriev. © Sputnik/Alexander Kryazhev

The Iran war has shown that EU sanctions on Russian energy were “strategic blunders,” as oil prices have crossed $100 a barrel for the first time since 2022, Kirill Dmitriev, an investment envoy to President Vladimir Putin, has said.
In a series of posts on X from Sunday to Monday, Dmitriev commented on the rise in oil prices by around 50% since the start of the US-Israeli strikes on Iran last month. In one of the messages, he mocked the EU policymakers over what he described as a short-sighted policy of sanctioning Russia over the Ukraine conflict.
”Bingo – welcome to $100+ oil. Most thought impossible – predicted $100+ in June. Now, as most EU bureaucrats still don’t grasp consequences, predict Russian energy vital for survival & strategic blunders of restricting it will be fully exposed. Diversify to survive,” he said.

As the Brent prices peaked at almost $120 per barrel, Dmitriev noted that “$150+ is the new oil target, with even $200+ a possibility in a prolonged conflict.” He went on to explain that “the oil issue is no longer just about the Strait of Hormuz,” but also attacks on oil and gas infrastructure across the Middle East.
The oil rally was somewhat mitigated by reports that G7 countries are discussing a coordinated release of oil from their strategic reserves.
The US-Israeli strikes on Iran, which triggered Tehran’s retaliation, significantly raised the risks for vessels passing through the Strait of Hormuz – a key artery for around 20% of global oil consumption. Maritime traffic through the waterway collapsed by an estimated 80% as several oil tankers were hit in the area.
The EU faced a similar price shock when it sanctioned Russia following the escalation of the Ukraine conflict in 2022, with Brent crude averaging $100 per barrel throughout the year. Despite the ensuing energy crisis and heavy burden on consumers, the EU vowed to wean itself off Russian fossil fuel by the end of 2027.
US President Donald Trump brushed off the ongoing price surge on Sunday, saying higher oil costs caused by the Iran war are “a very small price to pay for U.S.A., and World, Safety and Peace.”

Iran war exposes EU blunder in sanctioning Russia – Putin envoy

The Iran war and rising oil prices show that the EU made a mistake by sanctioning Russian energy, Kirill Dmitriev has said

www.rt.com

 

[Perry]

It seems that the western masses are being conditioned for such an atrocity.
This is a dreadful soulless time.

We are living in very dangerous times. There really is a feeling that we could stumble into a situation where the US uses a nuke. I think Europe and the UK should be putting pressure on Trump to just declare victory and go home, but instead they are so cowardly and dependent on the US they are encouraging them. Where's Von der layen by the way, extremely quiet on this?

 

[Wolf]

We'll soon learn who our friends are!

Well we've alienated the USA, Russia, Hungary and probably the UK too so Ireland is heading for one massive wake up call.
Unfortunately, because of the goons that get elected here by the braindead, we're going to get a good kicking.

 

[Wolf]

We are living in very dangerous times. There really is a feeling that we could stumble into a situation where the US uses a nuke. I think Europe and the UK should be putting pressure on Trump to just declare victory and go home, but instead they are so cowardly and dependent on the US they are encouraging them. Where's Von der layen by the way, extremely quiet on this?

Von der Cuntface seems to have gone to ground ok, hardly a word from the unelected whore or that other dog Kallas.

 

[Perry]

Well we've alienated the USA, Russia, Hungary and probably the UK too so Ireland is heading for one massive wake up call.
Unfortunately, because of the goons that get elected here by the braindead, we're going to get a good kicking.

Ah shur, didn't we bring in abortion on demand and gay marriage.... That's all that matters to our political class. Their most pressing priority now is to rerun the woman in the home and recognising durable relationships refs...

 

[Diarmuid]

Was talking to department of foreign affairs today. They seem highly amused by the war, but are cagey about damage in Israel. A guy called Connor was talking today to our lady ambassador to israel, Sonia McGuiness. She is apparently safe, but Connor did not ask her about the Iranian missiles. Bizarre.

Reading between the lines: The israelis are getting slaughtered, and the staff in the Department are delighted at this! They obviousy don't care if the Ambassador gets toasted by a missile. Oddly enough, the civil servant accused the Minister of all sorts of misbehaviour, but it was half in joke, whole in earnest, so he will have wriggle room if they pull him in for questioning.

 

[Perry]

Was talking to department of foreign affairs today. They seem highly amused by the war, but are cagey about damage in Israel. A guy called Connor was talking today to our lady ambassador to israel, Sonia McGuiness. She is apparently safe, but Connor did not ask her about the Iranian missiles. Bizarre.

Reading between the lines: The israelis are getting slaughtered, and the staff in the Department are delighted at this! They obviousy don't care if the Ambassador gets toasted by a missile. Oddly enough, the civil servant accused the Minister of all sorts of misbehaviour, but it was half in joke, whole in earnest, so he will have wriggle room if they pull him in for questioning.

Watched Sky News earlier, a map of Iran and all the hits they have taken, which is fine, but nothing of Israel and what's been hit there? All very one sided coverage, 8 days in, we still don't have a clear picture as to what is happening.... Also see macaroon is sending a French aircraft carrier to escort oil vessels out safely from the strait.... FFS, will laugh when that's torpedoed on the first day in service.... The French desperate to surrender even before combat has commenced.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Putin has suggested that he is willing to work with Europe to ensure regular gas supllies, just so long as Europe agrees to be a long term and reliable customer, and although he didn't actually say it, dropping all this silliness over Ukraine might help.

It would be interesting to see the EU having to go with a begging bowl to Russia after all the hullabaloo over sanctions!

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

The last war was 12 days. Hopefully this war will be over soon. MSM reporting Israeli strikes in Iran, not US. Also lots of Iranian attacks on Gulf states, not Israel.

On offguardian site, good article looking at globalist links to Iranian govt. They are members of the IMF, for example, and they were all in with Covid - they took a 5 billion IMF loan to help. Plus lots of US contact with Ayatollah Khomeini while he was in exile before the overthrow of the Shah.

MSM are pushing oil price rises, with a view to bringing in economic recession and general panic, etc.

Meanwhile, the leaves are starting to grow on the trees. Spring is here

There is a strong school of thought in the US podcast world that suggests that Iran is part of a City of London coalition and that Trump is at war with the City of London.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

The last war was 12 days. Hopefully this war will be over soon. MSM reporting Israeli strikes in Iran, not US. Also lots of Iranian attacks on Gulf states, not Israel.

On offguardian site, good article looking at globalist links to Iranian govt. They are members of the IMF, for example, and they were all in with Covid - they took a 5 billion IMF loan to help. Plus lots of US contact with Ayatollah Khomeini while he was in exile before the overthrow of the Shah.

MSM are pushing oil price rises, with a view to bringing in economic recession and general panic, etc.

Meanwhile, the leaves are starting to grow on the trees. Spring is here

This website goes into the theory in more detail |

Promethean Action

Promethean Action is a political movement dedicated to defying oligarchy & unleashing the fire of human creativity!

www.prometheanaction.com

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVHoJ0Nmo2I&t=32s

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

Here's a clear outline of the theory, as promoted by Promethean Action (a political movement tied to the LaRouche tradition) and echoed in their recent articles, videos, and updates from early 2026.


This isn't a mainstream view—it's a specific interpretive framework that sees world events through the lens of a centuries-old struggle between sovereign nation-states (especially the "American System" of economics) and a modern British Empire centered in the City of London's financial oligarchy.

Core Claim​

Trump’s 2026 military strikes on Iran (referred to in their coverage as “Operation Epic Fury” or similar, involving U.S. and Israeli action, demands for Iran’s “unconditional surrender,” and targeted hits on nuclear capabilities) are not about oil grabs, endless occupation, or neoconservative regime change. Instead, they are a direct blow to the City of London’s 118-year financial stranglehold over Iran, Middle Eastern energy markets, and global trade. Trump is dismantling the last major outpost of British imperial control in the region.

Historical Backbone of the Theory​

• 1908 origin: The British (via what became British Petroleum / BP) seized Iran’s first major oil concession. From that point on, Iran’s economy and politics were subordinated to City of London financial networks.
• Every regime served the same master: Both the Shah’s monarchy and the post-1979 Ayatollahs allegedly operated within the same British-designed system. Key manipulations include the 1953 coup against Mossadegh (to restore oil control) and the 1979 Islamic Revolution (framed as British-orchestrated to weaponize Islamic fundamentalism and keep Iran as a chaotic tool rather than a sovereign industrial power).
• Ongoing mechanism: The City of London (especially Lloyd’s of London insurance monopoly) controlled shipping through the Strait of Hormuz (20% of global oil). This gave Britain leverage to engineer oil shocks, crises, and price spikes for profit while blocking independent development.

Why This Action Is “Different from Iraq 2.0”​

Promethean Action repeatedly stresses:

• Trump’s messaging to Iranians (“take over your government”) and statements from figures like JD Vance signal no long-term U.S. occupation or nation-building.
• The goal is surgical: neutralize nuclear threats and break the British financial architecture, not install new puppets.
• It builds on prior Trump moves (Abraham Accords, designating the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group, the “Board of Peace” concept, redirecting Gulf investments away from London).

Connected 2026 Moves That “Prove” the Theory (in their telling)​

• Trump publicly called Britain “uncooperative” and criticized UK refusal to allow U.S. use of bases (e.g., Diego Garcia) for Iran strikes.
• The U.S. immediately replaced Lloyd’s of London war-risk insurance for Hormuz tankers with American guarantees and naval escorts — breaking Britain’s 300-year leverage over global shipping and trade.
• Iranian retaliation actually unified Gulf states with the U.S., collapsing London’s divide-and-rule game.
• Broader context: Trump’s sanctions-lifting on Russia to keep oil flowing, attacks on Financial Times narratives, and hemispheric anti-cartel cooperation are all framed as assaults on City of London offshore laundering and financial networks.

The Big-Picture Goal​

According to Promethean Action, this is part of Trump’s unique (since FDR) project to:

• Reorganize global strategy and economics around U.S. leadership and physical-economic development, not speculative finance.
• End the “postwar special relationship” with Britain and the City of London’s grip on energy, trade, and geopolitics.
• Free sovereign nations (Iran included, once its British-backed structures are broken) to pursue real industrial growth instead of serving oligarchic chaos.

Recent Promethean headlines sum it up bluntly: “Trump Just Destroyed Britain’s 300-Year Stranglehold on Global Trade,” “Trump Declares War on the City of London,” and “NOT IRAQ 2.0: The 118-Year Empire Trump Just Ended.”


In short, the theory flips the usual narrative: Trump’s Iran action isn’t serving the “British” or “globalist” side — it’s the decisive strike against the City of London’s hidden empire. Promethean Action presents this as the continuation of LaRouche’s decades-long analysis of British oligarchy vs. sovereign nation-states.


That’s the outline straight from their materials. It’s a coherent (if highly unconventional) worldview they’ve been applying to Trump’s second term. Let me know if you want links to specific articles or deeper dives into any part!

 

[Mad as Fish]

P

Here's a clear outline of the theory, as promoted by Promethean Action (a political movement tied to the LaRouche tradition) and echoed in their recent articles, videos, and updates from early 2026.


This isn't a mainstream view—it's a specific interpretive framework that sees world events through the lens of a centuries-old struggle between sovereign nation-states (especially the "American System" of economics) and a modern British Empire centered in the City of London's financial oligarchy.

Core Claim​

Trump’s 2026 military strikes on Iran (referred to in their coverage as “Operation Epic Fury” or similar, involving U.S. and Israeli action, demands for Iran’s “unconditional surrender,” and targeted hits on nuclear capabilities) are not about oil grabs, endless occupation, or neoconservative regime change. Instead, they are a direct blow to the City of London’s 118-year financial stranglehold over Iran, Middle Eastern energy markets, and global trade. Trump is dismantling the last major outpost of British imperial control in the region.

Historical Backbone of the Theory​

• 1908 origin: The British (via what became British Petroleum / BP) seized Iran’s first major oil concession. From that point on, Iran’s economy and politics were subordinated to City of London financial networks.
• Every regime served the same master: Both the Shah’s monarchy and the post-1979 Ayatollahs allegedly operated within the same British-designed system. Key manipulations include the 1953 coup against Mossadegh (to restore oil control) and the 1979 Islamic Revolution (framed as British-orchestrated to weaponize Islamic fundamentalism and keep Iran as a chaotic tool rather than a sovereign industrial power).
• Ongoing mechanism: The City of London (especially Lloyd’s of London insurance monopoly) controlled shipping through the Strait of Hormuz (20% of global oil). This gave Britain leverage to engineer oil shocks, crises, and price spikes for profit while blocking independent development.

Why This Action Is “Different from Iraq 2.0”​

Promethean Action repeatedly stresses:

• Trump’s messaging to Iranians (“take over your government”) and statements from figures like JD Vance signal no long-term U.S. occupation or nation-building.
• The goal is surgical: neutralize nuclear threats and break the British financial architecture, not install new puppets.
• It builds on prior Trump moves (Abraham Accords, designating the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group, the “Board of Peace” concept, redirecting Gulf investments away from London).

Connected 2026 Moves That “Prove” the Theory (in their telling)​

• Trump publicly called Britain “uncooperative” and criticized UK refusal to allow U.S. use of bases (e.g., Diego Garcia) for Iran strikes.
• The U.S. immediately replaced Lloyd’s of London war-risk insurance for Hormuz tankers with American guarantees and naval escorts — breaking Britain’s 300-year leverage over global shipping and trade.
• Iranian retaliation actually unified Gulf states with the U.S., collapsing London’s divide-and-rule game.
• Broader context: Trump’s sanctions-lifting on Russia to keep oil flowing, attacks on Financial Times narratives, and hemispheric anti-cartel cooperation are all framed as assaults on City of London offshore laundering and financial networks.

The Big-Picture Goal​

According to Promethean Action, this is part of Trump’s unique (since FDR) project to:

• Reorganize global strategy and economics around U.S. leadership and physical-economic development, not speculative finance.
• End the “postwar special relationship” with Britain and the City of London’s grip on energy, trade, and geopolitics.
• Free sovereign nations (Iran included, once its British-backed structures are broken) to pursue real industrial growth instead of serving oligarchic chaos.

Recent Promethean headlines sum it up bluntly: “Trump Just Destroyed Britain’s 300-Year Stranglehold on Global Trade,” “Trump Declares War on the City of London,” and “NOT IRAQ 2.0: The 118-Year Empire Trump Just Ended.”


In short, the theory flips the usual narrative: Trump’s Iran action isn’t serving the “British” or “globalist” side — it’s the decisive strike against the City of London’s hidden empire. Promethean Action presents this as the continuation of LaRouche’s decades-long analysis of British oligarchy vs. sovereign nation-states.


That’s the outline straight from their materials. It’s a coherent (if highly unconventional) worldview they’ve been applying to Trump’s second term. Let me know if you want links to specific articles or deeper dives into any part!

An interesting take on it and it is the immediate introduction of alternative shipping insurance that I find particularly compelling, for that is a direct attack on Lloyds,

 

[Diarmuid]

MSM reporting oil price drop and Trump saying the war will be over soon.

Good overview of the LaRouche view - was it AI generated?

It seems that Trump's actions have resulted in the withdrawal of US military from bases and embassies in the Gulf and exposed Israel to its worst ever bombardment.

 

[Perry]

Trump says it's practically over, this war. Has anyone told Iran? Seems like they are not done yet? Wonder have the Iranians sunk macaroon's French air craft carrier yet?

 

[BIG FAT HOOR]

So ok what do people think, how will this end? Trump, for one, is hyping this war up enormously, it will be over yesterday with a US victory according to him and yet I don't how they achieve that? So scenarios:

- The US/Israel wins the war with airpower alone. That almost never happened in history (although the recent Venezuela operation might be an example) and it doesn't look at all likely that Iran is about to throw up a white flag soon? Remember only a small proportion of Iranian missiles have to hit home in the builtup modern cities of Israel and the Gulf states, for them to hurt much more than Iran, which is simply protected by its size. (For example, by my crude calculations, Israel, admittedly minus the West Bank, is only about 10 miles across at its narrowest point, and Iran at its narrowest point is about 500 miles wide! Its bound to be the case in an artillery duel, which this is, that that small country would lose out.)

- The US launches a ground invasion, maybe beginning with an incursion via the Kurds in Iraq. They are certainly talking about and leaking that now, but that doesn't make it very easy. Iran fought a huge war along that frontier with Iraq not that long ago, they will know all the mountain passes (a lot of it is mountainous in the Kurdish region) and they are well capable of throwing up a few artillery shells to stop that, and are reported to be doing that already.
That said the US has some gigantic military assets to use if it did come to a ground invasion, helicopter gunships etc etc, it is possible they could prevail quickly, or at least destabilise Iran?

- Israel gives up and sues for peace and is taken over by some multinational military mission? That's not impossible, they look very extended and they could easily just lose in Lebanon say and hurt too much under Iranian bombardment.

- Either side uses nuclear weapons. For Israel or the US to use them now looks catastrophic for their world standing, because they said that was the reason for attacking Iran in the first place, but maybe if they got desperate (and Trump sounds a bit like that now)? If Iran used it now its possible they would actually have some international sympathy.

- A huge worldwide recession is sparked off by this crisis, with its effect on the petrodollar etc etc. If the powers that be had planned this recession before then they could use this crisis as an excuse to kick it off, meaning instead of blaming central banks you have Iran as a scapegoat?

Anyway what do people think?

This is a evil act being played out on stage --the main actor has been filmed by mossad/epstien/maxwell raping and doing mad shit with children .
it is so extreme he must now obey his masters and start a war which Israel/mossad have prayed for over 40 years .
his behavior his planning --his strategic thinking and his intellectual understanding of this war is only matched by his intellectual understanding of his pedophilia-- which has him and us now scrambling to deal with it without a plan .
THIS IS A DISASTER FOR HIM PERSONALLY AND THE USA as a country .
97% of the USA media is already owned by Israel and they publicly shout and scream and admit without shame we must have the rest --we have to own tick tock and x .
Israel is at war with US and us Irish and us Europeans and firstly at war with america which it is in the process of raping -- .
this is state on state pedophilia by THE CHOSEN PEOPLE.
there are no rules not even the law of the jungle where the wild animals will only kill when they are hungry and will only kill to eat.
these mad insane bastards who are members of an extreme cult pray for the death s of billions and the enslavement of the survivors daily and openly and you can read this in their BIBLE THE TALMUD.
there are no limits to their evil and some of us are waking up --but it is so difficult as the vast vast vast collegiate planning in incomprehensible in its evil and cruelty to an ordinary person.
-- the evil is so vast people cannot get a grasp of its scale they get a headache believing there is so much evil in the world.
and all evil are members of a co op of evil --defined in one book as A PEOPLE WHO SHALL DWELL APART who network all around the world to pursue their aims and who laugh in your face when you confront them with their evil.
to quote Vincent Brown ISRAEL IS A CANCER IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

 

[jpc]

The retarded gowls in the EU really have gotten themselves into a serious mess now.
Imagine the mentality it took to go to war with Russia by proxy and to sanction the fuck out of that country, a country that was supplying the whole block with reasonably priced oil and gas.
Even if the gowls went begging to Putin now he'd most likely tell them where to go and he'd be 100% correct doing that.

Iran war exposes EU blunder in sanctioning Russia – Putin envoy​

Brent oil prices peaked at nearly $120 per barrel as another energy crisis looms

Kirill Dmitriev. © Sputnik/Alexander Kryazhev

The Iran war has shown that EU sanctions on Russian energy were “strategic blunders,” as oil prices have crossed $100 a barrel for the first time since 2022, Kirill Dmitriev, an investment envoy to President Vladimir Putin, has said.
In a series of posts on X from Sunday to Monday, Dmitriev commented on the rise in oil prices by around 50% since the start of the US-Israeli strikes on Iran last month. In one of the messages, he mocked the EU policymakers over what he described as a short-sighted policy of sanctioning Russia over the Ukraine conflict.
”Bingo – welcome to $100+ oil. Most thought impossible – predicted $100+ in June. Now, as most EU bureaucrats still don’t grasp consequences, predict Russian energy vital for survival & strategic blunders of restricting it will be fully exposed. Diversify to survive,” he said.

As the Brent prices peaked at almost $120 per barrel, Dmitriev noted that “$150+ is the new oil target, with even $200+ a possibility in a prolonged conflict.” He went on to explain that “the oil issue is no longer just about the Strait of Hormuz,” but also attacks on oil and gas infrastructure across the Middle East.
The oil rally was somewhat mitigated by reports that G7 countries are discussing a coordinated release of oil from their strategic reserves.
The US-Israeli strikes on Iran, which triggered Tehran’s retaliation, significantly raised the risks for vessels passing through the Strait of Hormuz – a key artery for around 20% of global oil consumption. Maritime traffic through the waterway collapsed by an estimated 80% as several oil tankers were hit in the area.
The EU faced a similar price shock when it sanctioned Russia following the escalation of the Ukraine conflict in 2022, with Brent crude averaging $100 per barrel throughout the year. Despite the ensuing energy crisis and heavy burden on consumers, the EU vowed to wean itself off Russian fossil fuel by the end of 2027.
US President Donald Trump brushed off the ongoing price surge on Sunday, saying higher oil costs caused by the Iran war are “a very small price to pay for U.S.A., and World, Safety and Peace.”

Iran war exposes EU blunder in sanctioning Russia – Putin envoy

The Iran war and rising oil prices show that the EU made a mistake by sanctioning Russian energy, Kirill Dmitriev has said

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Bureaucrats don't lose their jobs or entitlements.
That's the problem.
Then the commission
No consequences for being incompetent.
She was an embarrassing member of the Fraus government and moved out and up because mistakes of this nature cannot be acknowledged.
Look at VDLs resume and start there.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Bureaucrats don't lose their jobs or entitlements.
That's the problem.
Then the commission
No consequences for being incompetent.
She was an embarrassing member of the Fraus government and moved out and up because mistakes of this nature cannot be acknowledged.
Look at VDLs resume and start there.

Totally out of her depth now that is stuff going on for which she has not been handed a clear and consistent script.

Where now is the coalition of the willing, the grand European army marching upon Terahn? All forgotten now that real shit has started to hit the fan!

 

[Perry]

Totally out of her depth now that is stuff going on for which she has not been handed a clear and consistent script.

Where now is the coalition of the willing, the grand European army marching upon Terahn? All forgotten now that real shit has started to hit the fan!

Rutte was only warning about the EU heading to war v Russia in the next few years... He's gone very quiet since. I would wager that the EU will not exist in the near future.

 

[jpc]

Rutte was only warning about the EU heading to war v Russia in the next few years... He's gone very quiet since. I would wager that the EU will not exist in the near future.

He isn't quite right!
I thought Stoltenberg was off.
But this guy is a SNL parody act.
There's no connection between the gravity of events and the communications by him.
Maybe it's lost in the translation from Dutch?.
Or his self awareness isn't there. ?
Maybe he's for real in his bubble?
Look at his Dutch pm stint and the fucking over of the Dutch agricultural sector.

 

[willows68]

He isn't quite right!
I thought Stoltenberg was off.
But this guy is a SNL parody act.
There's no connection between the gravity of events and the communications by him.
Maybe it's lost in the translation from Dutch?.
Or his self awareness isn't there. ?
Maybe he's for real in his bubble?
Look at his Dutch pm stint and the fucking over of the Dutch agricultural sector.

Rutte is one of Klaus' best boys in class. A disgusting wef creature.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Rutte is one of Klaus' best boys in class. A disgusting wef creature.

He's Dutch though, and the Dutch are right tarts when it comes to chasing the money, even abandoning their language in favour of English to ensure they can trade well with the rest of the world.

 

[Mad as Fish]

While Trump is busy declaring the war won, or almost won, depending on which way the wind is blowing and Israel screams at the Iranians to rise up and choose their destiny, over in Tehran there is not one suggestion of any unrest, only defiance from.the leadership which insists that it will 'punch the aggressors in the mouth'.

It ain't over yet, not by a long chalk.

 

[Haven]

It's on site monitoring duty.

I couldnt be arsed posting here anymore, with all the thread bans.

I actually live in the Gulf region and can give everyone the real story going on as these attacks come in, how they are being countered, etc.

But, I'm thinking, go fuck yourselves.

 

[clarke-connolly]

I couldnt be arsed posting here anymore, with all the thread bans.

I actually live in the Gulf region and can give everyone the real story going on as these attacks come in, how they are being countered, etc.

But, I'm thinking, go fuck yourselves.

Are you, The New Ayatollah ? !

 

[Perry]

Supposedly a food crisis on the horizon, but I'm sure we will be ok, I mean look at all those "made in Ireland" products we see in our supermarkets, surely they are indeed produced here, and not just packaged here...