Who believes the Holocaust?

[Roc.]

Your argument boils down to the fact the Nazis ran out of time and space on the battlefield and didnt finish the job. Somehow this is a "gotcha".

Theresienstadt was the special "Red Cross" propaganda camp.

Don't engage. That's exactly what they want.

Remember on politics.ie progressive leftists used to engage with overt Holocaust deniers and produce endless threads thousands and thousands of pages long. That's the result they're after.

Now I understand you are a left wing person. You also hold to a political religion in other words. Therefore you have to ask yourself if at some level you are sympathetic to this drive towards distortion of the Holocaust, presenting Israelis as the new Nazis, comparing the operation in Gaza to the genocide that Nazis perpetrated, and the rest of it, easily demonstrated as a long cynically orchestrated "political" campaign.

Because these drives strongly exist in your own movement, too. What would you say to that, out of interest?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Don't engage.

Great advise for a discussion forum...

 

[clarke-connolly]

Great advise for a discussion forum...

Lefty " Logic "

Three Monkeys ! ! !

"see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil." = = Or in other words = = Just be a Dumb Lefty ! ! !

 

[Roc.]

Great advise for a discussion forum...

There's no actual "discussion" in any meaningful sense. Holocaust deniers, distortionistas, those set on the core inversion of it, are only interested in reinforcing the thing that they are weaving, and propagating it.

 

[Roc.]

And of course knowledge of the Holocaust created a taboo around antisemitism in its aftermath. So most of this "discussion" is all about destroying that taboo. The aim is to convince the most people possible again that there are good reasons to hate the Jews, and no reason not to be so convinced. The existence of the taboo prevents a critical mass of people fully joining in. So the "discussion" is designed above all to keep chipping away at that taboo. I'd hardly call that a meaningful discussion - it's something else entirely.

 

[Diarmuid]

Your argument boils down to the fact the Nazis ran out of time and space on the battlefield and didnt finish the job. Somehow this is a "gotcha".

Theresienstadt was the special "Red Cross" propaganda camp.

The Red Cross visited all the camps. Theresienstad was for training Jews to go to Palestine. Hitler was a Zionist, and nobody disputes that. Please post the technical drawings for your beloved gas chambers.

 

[Diarmuid]

Three things I want from this forum:
Proof of the Holocuast/Gas Chambers
Disproof of the Holocaust
Comedy about the Holocaust.

I urge Gas Chamber enthusiasts to repost the technical drawings of the gas chambers. They supposedly exist on the Yad Vashem website, but I am banned. So copy and paste and let's discuss.

 

[Diarmuid]

Don't engage. That's exactly what they want.

Take your own advice

It is grossly unfair to compare the Nazis to the Israelis.

Nazis very rarely raped people. Israelis boast about it. Apart from the supposed gas chambers, the German fighting men of WWII were vastly more honourable and humane than the Jews of today.

So, tell us about the magic gas chambers with the non-airtight doors.

At least 100,000 Jews and part Jews fought for the Germans. Can you explain to us why? Was it Adolf's Zionism and Jewish background?

What did your Jewish ancestors do in WWII, Roc? I betcha they had a good war...

 

[Hermit]

Your argument boils down to the fact the Nazis ran out of time and space on the battlefield and didnt finish the job. Somehow this is a "gotcha".

Theresienstadt was the special "Red Cross" propaganda camp.

You said Jews were "moved straight to the gas chambers." According to the official narrative, they were not. Now you say, uh that's because the Nazis ran out of time at the end of the war and Theresienstadt wasn't really a camp so it doesn't count. You didn't comment on the masturbation machines and other ridiculous claims that contradict your straight-to-the-gas chambers claim.

Also part of the official narrative is that Jews, upon arrival in a concentration camp, were deloused to prevent the spread of disease, had their heads shaved, given their striped pyjamas, given food...which would be completely pointless and a waste of resources if they were to be going to be sent to gas chambers.

They put us through shower baths. They, they told us to keep our shoes. That's the only thing we can. They gave us, then they gave us our concentration camp uniforms and uh, they marched us in, they de...deloused us, you know, because in the train already and from the ghetto a lot of people already had a lot of lice. They used D, DDT, called delousing and then they marched us in into those huge Auschwitz barracks.

we were being kept until some request arrives from some German city or company to be shipped for labor. That was the idea of keeping the young and strong ones--to use them for labor instead of killing 'em off in the gas chambers like they did with the rest of our families.

David Kahan - April 29, 1982 - Delousing

Jewish prisoners revolted in one camp in 1943, long before the war ended - not possible if they were being sent straight to gas chambers.

The Treblinka Uprising

In August 1943, Jewish prisoners revolted against their Nazi captors at the Treblinka death camp. This act of resistance provides crucial insight into the horrors of the death camp and Operation Reinhard.

www.nationalww2museum.org

In 1944, during the final year of the war in Europe, the Germans installed and operated state-of-the-art high frequency facilities at Auschwitz to kill disease-bearing lice and other pests. These expensive installations, installed in response to the high death rate wrought by disease, worked on the same principle as the familiar microwave appliances widely used today in households around the world. These Auschwitz facilities, designed to help save lives, proved very effective.

High Frequency Delousing Facilities at Auschwitz

German ‘Microwave’ Technology to Combat Typhus High Frequency Delousing Facilities at Auschwitz By Mark Weber According to popular legend, Auschwitz was an extermination center organized to kill as many Jewish prisoners as possible with the greatest possible dispatch. In fact, though, the...

ihr.org

 

[The Equalizer]

Dermot, fuck you and fuck your blog threads

I will not be posting in any one of them again

 

[Roc.]

Dermot reinstate my fucking post or start dealing with a thread about why Martin was sent from Thurles to Palm beach. I will reveal all.

 

[The Equalizer]

Dermot reinstate my fucking post or start dealing with a thread about why Martin was sent from Thurles to Palm beach.

No, fuck him, don't post in any one of his blog threads ever again.

If you need to reply to a post, quote it, and reply elsewhere. Boycott Dermot's blog threads, all of them.

 

[Diarmuid]

You said Jews were "moved straight to the gas chambers." According to the official narrative, they were not. Now you say, uh that's because the Nazis ran out of time at the end of the war and Theresienstadt wasn't really a camp so it doesn't count.

Go raibh maith agat for your relevant, well researched and amusing post. Other posters take note.

Gas chamber comedy gold!

 

[Conall]

Doesn't really matter who (in the west) believes it or not. The browns of all shades and the Asians couldn't care less either way. With the browning of the world, and the rise of the east, the holabunga will fade into irrelevance. A mere footnote of history.
Why? Because its viewed by browns as 'white-centered' and they will (rightly) reject the imposition and centering of white history into their historical worldview.
Think about it, why should for example a Mexican youngster of the future give a flying fuck about what happened to jews in Europe a hundred years ago? They don't and they won't. Think about the utter absurdity of expecting an African from a nation with a tragic history of genocide, to believe that the suffering of a group of Europeans in the past is for some reason more important than the historical suffering of their own people?

No, as a prominent Jewish American put it a number of years ago. "The golden age of post-holocaust guilt based acceptance is over"

 

[Haven]

You said Jews were "moved straight to the gas chambers." According to the official narrative, they were not. Now you say, uh that's because the Nazis ran out of time at the end of the war and Theresienstadt wasn't really a camp so it doesn't count. You didn't comment on the masturbation machines and other ridiculous claims that contradict your straight-to-the-gas chambers claim.

Also part of the official narrative is that Jews, upon arrival in a concentration camp, were deloused to prevent the spread of disease, had their heads shaved, given their striped pyjamas, given food...which would be completely pointless and a waste of resources if they were to be going to be sent to gas chambers.

David Kahan - April 29, 1982 - Delousing

Jewish prisoners revolted in one camp in 1943, long before the war ended - not possible if they were being sent straight to gas chambers.

The Treblinka Uprising

In August 1943, Jewish prisoners revolted against their Nazi captors at the Treblinka death camp. This act of resistance provides crucial insight into the horrors of the death camp and Operation Reinhard.

www.nationalww2museum.org

High Frequency Delousing Facilities at Auschwitz

German ‘Microwave’ Technology to Combat Typhus High Frequency Delousing Facilities at Auschwitz By Mark Weber According to popular legend, Auschwitz was an extermination center organized to kill as many Jewish prisoners as possible with the greatest possible dispatch. In fact, though, the...

ihr.org

Hermit, you are mixing things up.

Nazi concentration camps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The "delousing" etc occured in the original camps i.e. Dachau. Lots of Jews just died in these camps from starvation and disease.

The gassing took place in the extermination camps built from 1941 onwards - these were built in the General Government area (occupied Poland etc).

The 1943 reference is either Sobibor or Treblinka. I've already used the term but you dont understand the significance so here it is.

Sonderkommando - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Nazis used Jewish prisoners for working the ovens and burial pits, and regularly killed them and replaced them with new prisoners. Thats why those uprisings happened, they were going to die either way.

You have clearly never read anything about any of this other than memes.

EDIT: Fuck....this is Dermots blog!
I'm outta here.

 

[Diarmuid]

The gassing took place in the extermination camps built from 1941 onwards - these were built in the General Government area (occupied Poland etc).

Post the blueprints for the gas chambers, please. they are on Yad Vashem, you say, so it should be straightforward.

 

[Diarmuid]

On Roc's thread, left and right wingers are ganging up to lie about me.

I must be doing something right

The convicted Dermot they refer to is, obviously, a different person to me.

AFAIK, it's not a crime in Ireland to deny, minimize or mercilessly mock the 6-million-Jews-in-the-German gas-chambers. Even in Germany, you are allowed artistic licence exemption to make fun of this issue. The article implies that it is a crime, but he certainly wasn't charged with that.

Anyone know what happened to Mr Mulqueen? Did Roc and the boys gang up and beat him to death? If so, i ndeis De go raibh se. Go beidh muid beo ag an am seo aris!

Irish Slimes Mon Dec 07 2015

A judge on Monday suspended a five-month jail term for a “Holocaust denier”, describing the case as one of the most bizarre he had heard.

At Ennis Circuit Court Judge Tom O’Donnell allowed the appeal by Dermot Mulqueen (49) of Steele’s Terrace, Ennis, Co Clare, against the prison term imposed in October.

The sentence was for breaching section nine of the Firearms Act and section six of the Public Order Act. It arose from his lunchtime performance on January 23rd, 2015, when he put an axe through a TV in Ennis town centre.

Mulqueen told the court on Monday the performance art was to launch International Holocaust Hoax Day.

He said in September 2014, RTÉ had screened a documentary on the Holocaust and he complained to the broadcaster that the Nazis had sought a “territorial solution”. He said he turned his complaint into art. He said that not getting a performance permit was “a big mistake” .

The judge said: “What I find bewildering is that the accused thinks that the only offence is not to have got a permit to smash his own TV in public full stop and that history is being misrepresented.” He suspended the term for two years in view of no previous convictions.