Andrew Gold Tackles The Taboo Topic Of Race Realism

Roc_ said:
Back on topic, should we put the following down to these slight genetic differences we've been talking about?
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So are you back to being a Category 2 race denier now?

If you're back to being a Category 2 race denier, then you need to explain why that difference(s) is only skin deep.

Which is something that you can't do, no race denier can.

Roc_ said:
Or is it more so culture?

Whatever it is, I haven't yet met a white Irish girl that could do this? 😢


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The Equalizer said:
So are you back to being a Category 2 race denier (sic) now?
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Jambo I have consistently acknowledged that there are differences.

But as per the geneticists and the fact that they now know that, un-intuitive as it may seem to our naive eyes, since these inter racial genetic differences are tiny compared to the intra-racial differences - the question becomes do these differences even make a difference?

And then that leads us onto the further question of whether then, actually is there any value to keep holding onto the idea of racial categories that were based in naive visual perception (that the molecular view has superceded) etc.

So there was a serious point in my posting the lady above with my observation.

Vis, let everyone on this forum who has a girlfriend, or a wife, or even a regular "lady of the night" who they visit - attempt to train their preferred consort in the physicality and art that that Caribbean lady above is exhibiting.

In the name of science, of course.

That way we can find out if her "difference" in being able to perform this extraordinary dance is down to genetics, or if it is something learned and in culture (or we might even call her beautiful dance a "social construct" eh Jambo)?

Maybe that way we can get finally to the bottom of all this.
 
These autistics really crack me up with all their "category one" and category two" neurodivergent shite. Maybe if the world had rolled out a programme tackling the same kind of neurodivergence in twentieth century Germany, some kind of inclusive learning or neurodiversity support pathway, we wouldn't have had all that trouble with them?
 
Roc_ said:
Jambo I have consistently acknowledged that there are differences.
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You haven't been consistent in your category of race denial.

Roc_ said:
But as per the geneticists and the fact that they now know that, un-intuitive as it may seem to our naive eyes, since these inter racial genetic differences are tiny compared to the intra-racial differences - the question becomes do these differences even make a difference?

And then that leads us onto the further question of whether then, actually is there any value to keep holding onto the idea of racial categories that were based in naive visual perception (that the molecular view has superceded) etc.

So there was a serious point in my posting the lady above with my observation.

Vis, let everyone on this forum who has a girlfriend, or a wife, or even a regular "lady of the night" who they visit - attempt to train their preferred consort in the physicality and art that that Caribbean lady above is exhibiting.

In the name of science, of course.

That way we can find out if her "difference" in being able to perform this extraordinary dance is down to genetics, or if it is something learned and in culture (or we might even call her beautiful dance a "social construct" eh Jambo)?

Maybe that way we can get finally to the bottom of all this.
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Roc_ said:
(and why Jambo is a thick fucker for all his pattern memorisation capability):
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I have no idea what you're talking about.

All I know is, whenever you talk about me, you're not talking about me, you're talking about the caricature you have of me in your mind. And that's what you do, in general. That level of detachment from reality is basically why I think of you as insane.
 
I have just groked that the character being interviewed by Andrew Gold on the topic of race and IQ in the OP is none other than Nathan Cofnas who is a particular object of I would even go so far as to say hatred of Andrew Joyce. Nathan Cofnas is very much the Jewish supremacist and arguably academic ethnic activist. Again IQ has been used at serious levels as an argument as to why Ashkenazi in the loose sense Jews have a right to lord it over WASPs (and I would assume Catholic Gaels even more so if we are the trust the figures given by Richard Lynn which I don't).

Apparently at the first American Renaissance conference the majority of the main people there turned out to be sons of either Presbyterian Ministers (such as Jared Taylor himself) or Rabbis. A certain approach to study of race could be seen as a secularization of certain Religious approaches to issues of determinism, etc (people have made the argument for this and claimed that it proves both Calvinism/Augustinianism and what is called race realism by some- for instance Drake Shelton).

The Cofnas Problem, Part 1 of 3 – The Occidental Observer

www.theoccidentalobserver.net www.theoccidentalobserver.net
 
Agobard Admirer said:
I have just groked that the character being interviewed by Andrew Gold on the topic of race and IQ in the OP is none other than Nathan Cofnas who is a particular object of I would even go so far as to say hatred of Andrew Joyce. Nathan Cofnas is very much the Jewish supremacist and arguably academic ethnic activist. Again IQ has been used at serious levels as an argument as to why Ashkenazi in the loose sense Jews have a right to lord it over WASPs (and I would assume Catholic Gaels even more so if we are the trust the figures given by Richard Lynn which I don't).

Apparently at the first American Renaissance conference the majority of the main people there turned out to be sons of either Presbyterian Ministers (such as Jared Taylor himself) or Rabbis. A certain approach to study of race could be seen as a secularization of certain Religious approaches to issues of determinism, etc (people have made the argument for this and claimed that it proves both Calvinism/Augustinianism and what is called race realism by some- for instance Drake Shelton).

The Cofnas Problem, Part 1 of 3 – The Occidental Observer

www.theoccidentalobserver.net www.theoccidentalobserver.net
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There's eleventeen things I could say about this, you do make my work hard :)

Okay, so, Culture of Critique, that's to a large extent about Jewish ethnocentrism, right? Which I've said, I think has more to do with their (Jews) success (nepotism) than IQ. I wouldn't disagree that Ashkenazi Jews as a group have a higher average IQ than Africans, we basically all do (unless you want to include people such as aboriginal "Australians").
 
The Equalizer said:
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Your computer like ability to memorise chess patterns, poker plays, internet memes, and pantheons of racist internet "edge lords" etc. Judging from some of the stories you've told on these fora, you're apparently like some fucked up white supremacist version of "Rain Man".
 
Roc_ said:
Your computer like ability to memorise chess patterns, poker plays, internet memes, and pantheons of racist internet "edge lords" etc. Judging from some of the stories you've told on these fora, you're apparently like some fucked up white supremacist version of "Rain Man".
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You're an absolute f'*cking idiot.

There's a pattern I've "memorised".
 
Agobard Admirer said:
I have just groked that the character being interviewed by Andrew Gold on the topic of race and IQ in the OP is none other than Nathan Cofnas who is a particular object of I would even go so far as to say hatred of Andrew Joyce. Nathan Cofnas is very much the Jewish supremacist and arguably academic ethnic activist. Again IQ has been used at serious levels as an argument as to why Ashkenazi in the loose sense Jews have a right to lord it over WASPs (and I would assume Catholic Gaels even more so if we are the trust the figures given by Richard Lynn which I don't).

Apparently at the first American Renaissance conference the majority of the main people there turned out to be sons of either Presbyterian Ministers (such as Jared Taylor himself) or Rabbis. A certain approach to study of race could be seen as a secularization of certain Religious approaches to issues of determinism, etc (people have made the argument for this and claimed that it proves both Calvinism/Augustinianism and what is called race realism by some- for instance Drake Shelton).

The Cofnas Problem, Part 1 of 3 – The Occidental Observer

www.theoccidentalobserver.net www.theoccidentalobserver.net
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In the alt/dissident right online sphere, for a long time now, much of the anti black rhetoric has come from the (now proven beyond all doubt) zio-adjacent and jewish influencers.
 
Diarmuid said:
Any word on Andrew Joyce?? is he still alive?
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Yes. I heard a rumor that he is writing under another name but I don't think that is true. He has a career, kids and lacks private means coupled with the State knowing who he was with the danger of CAA types or someone like that finding out and those people are usually incredibly vindictive. "Woke" in regards to Blacks is on the way out or gone but in regards to Jews and homosexuality it is as strong as ever. By creating an atmosphere of fear and self censorship you also build up resentment which in the long run is good for nobody.
 
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Agobard Admirer said:
Yes. I heard a rumor that he is writing under another name but I don't think that is true. He has a career, kids and lacks private means coupled with the State knowing who he was with the danger of CAA types or someone like that finding out and those people are usually incredibly vindictive. "Woke" in regards to Blacks is on the way out or gone but in regards to Jews and homosexuality it is as strong as ever. By creating an atmosphere of fear and self censorship you also build up resentment which in the long run is good for nobody.
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Do you know who Bob of Speakers Corner is? 🤔
 
The Equalizer said:
Do you know who Bob of Speakers Corner is? 🤔
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He keeps his background and life very secret so what exactly his deal is I do not know but he is an interweb character I have examined. I am very suspicious of him for one reason because he acts the thran Christian zealot but when it comes to inter-Christian issues he is a complete wishy washy ecumenist. He also loves Jews but hates Muslims- now if he hated both it would not make me suspicious but Theologically Muslims are closer to us.

The major trouble I have with Christian Nationalism is that involving Religion with politics means that you are forced to water things down, compromise and even corrupt things when it comes to Religious issues. He thinks that Christians would bend things to include Tommy fans because "they will learn in time".

Why do you ask?
 
Agobard Admirer said:
He keeps his background and life very secret so what exactly his deal is I do not know but he is an interweb character I have examined. I am very suspicious of him for one reason because he acts the thran Christian zealot but when it comes to inter-Christian issues he is a complete wishy washy ecumenist. He also loves Jews but hates Muslims- now if he hated both it would not make me suspicious but Theologically Muslims are closer to us.

The major trouble I have with Christian Nationalism is that involving Religion with politics means that you are forced to water things down, compromise and even corrupt things when it comes to Religious issues. He thinks that Christians would bend things to include Tommy fans because "they will learn in time".
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Agobard Admirer said:
Why do you ask?
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I'm currently watching a debate with him and Mark Collett from yesterday -

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So far it seems that it might be appropriate for this thread :)

I'll post a video of it later...
 
Agobard Admirer said:
You can have a Christian Ethno-Nationalism (at least within certain limits) in my opinion.
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Not sure how that works, some people of the ethnos won't be Christian, are you going to exclude them?

That said, I think that nationalism should be positive towards the traditional religion (and hostile to others) which in our case is Christianity.
 
The Equalizer said:
Not sure how that works, some people of the ethnos won't be Christian, are you going to exclude them?

That said, I think that nationalism should be positive towards the traditional religion (and hostile to others) which in our case is Christianity.
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Well that is the thing- the society can be Christian without everyone in it having the Faith. Carl Schmitt once quipped of himself that he was "A Roman Catholic but not a Christian" and I have come across people in the TUV and DUP who would in a similar manner be "Protestants" without being Christians, again also you have people who are (neo-) Usuli Shia without really being Muslims. Charles Maurras who is one of the most important ideological architects of Christian Nationalism was himself an open atheist (there are claims that he converted to Catholicism on his death bed). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Maurras .

To me one of the worst arguments for ethno-nationalism is that people have to have homogeneous societies to avoid conflict- however conflict is just part of the human condition and will always find ways of arising (acknowledgement of this fact is one reason that I am not a Marxist). Radical/ethno-nationalist European movements in the post World War II West have been wracked by Religious conflicts between various types of Christians with each other but more so with mutual struggles between Christians, neo-Pagans and atheists. Politically if I was starting a Nationalist Party I would veer in the direction of keeping explicit Religion out of it. At the same time though I see real political threats to Christian civil and Religious liberties in the West today which concern me gravely- I notice also that "Bob" keeps away from discussing those threats.

I would argue for De Valera as opposed to French Jacobin style Liberalism or Catholic Political Integralism.
 
Agobard Admirer said:
Well that is the thing- the society can be Christian without everyone in it having the Faith. Carl Schmitt once quipped of himself that he was "A Roman Catholic but not a Christian" and I have come across people in the TUV and DUP who would in a similar manner be "Protestants" without being Christians, again also you have people who are (neo-) Usuli Shia without really being Muslims. Charles Maurras who is one of the most important ideological architects of Christian Nationalism was himself an open atheist (there are claims that he converted to Catholicism on his death bed). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Maurras .

To me one of the worst arguments for ethno-nationalism is that people have to have homogeneous societies to avoid conflict- however conflict is just part of the human condition and will always find ways of arising (acknowledgement of this fact is one reason that I am not a Marxist). Radical/ethno-nationalist European movements in the post World War II West have been wracked by Religious conflicts between various types of Christians with each other but more so with mutual struggles between Christians, neo-Pagans and atheists. Politically if I was starting a Nationalist Party I would veer in the direction of keeping explicit Religion out of it. At the same time though I see real political threats to Christian civil and Religious liberties in the West today which concern me gravely- I notice also that "Bob" keeps away from discussing those threats.

I would argue for De Valera as opposed to French Jacobin style Liberalism or Catholic Political Integralism.
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I don't think that there is much conflict between Christian sects. Albeit our country is perhaps the best example. So, at a low level, you have people like Tiger and our erstwhile friend Sham Fox, who hate "Prods". And then there's of course the dispute over the six counties, but I don't really think that's about religion either.
 
The Equalizer said:
I don't think that there is much conflict between Christian sects. Albeit our country is perhaps the best example. So, at a low level, you have people like Tiger and our erstwhile friend Sham Fox, who hate "Prods". And then there's of course the dispute over the six counties, but I don't really think that's about religion either.
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No arguments about issues like justification and use of images in worship can get quite intense in England. Than there are arguments about historical figures like Cromwell and Mary Queen of Scots also with sometimes Catholics and Anglicans being on the same side against the "Dissenters" and sometimes the "Dissenters" and the Anglicans being on the same side against the Catholics. Sure there is not the an tribal undercurrent there to these things the way there is here but that does not mean that people do not often feel passionate about these questions. Bob thinks that none of these questions matter, I think they very much do while at the same that it is important to look to what you have in common with people- he does though seem to have a romantic attitude towards the tribal nature of society in the six counties which I admit to finding a bit creepy. There is the idea of the over coming of social alienation by uniting people through having common enemies always floating in the background with him I find.
 
Agobard Admirer said:
No arguments about issues like justification and use of images in worship can get quite intense in England. Than there are arguments about historical figures like Cromwell and Mary Queen of Scots also with sometimes Catholics and Anglicans being on the same side against the "Dissenters" and sometimes the "Dissenters" and the Anglicans being on the same side against the Catholics. Sure there is not the an tribal undercurrent there to these things the way there is here but that does not mean that people do not often feel passionate about these questions. Bob thinks that none of these questions matter, I think they very much do while at the same that it is important to look to what you have in common with people- he does though seem to have a romantic attitude towards the tribal nature of society in the six counties which I admit to finding a bit creepy. There is the idea of the over coming of social alienation by uniting people through having common enemies always floating in the background with him I find.
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Well I've finished watching it and I'll post the video of the debate in a bit. One of his (Bob's) enemies seems to the effnats and the Nawthzees, like Tommy :)
 
So, here is the debate.

I thought it might be a bit boring after listening to the opening statements but it soon gets fairly spicy after that :)

I think everyone would know which side of the fence I'm on so I won't comment on what was said (at least for now :)) but I have to say, the Christian nationalist came across as very much a bog standard anti-racist <is a code word for anti-white> lefty or Tommytard. Very reminiscent of the Soapbox Dunce (AKA @Roc_) too.

You can watch/listen by clicking on the YouTube link below..


View: https://t.me/saintharrison/15013

Or watch embedded (no ads) by pressing ▶️below..


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G6GYRhN5980
 
The Equalizer said:
Not sure how that works, some people of the ethnos won't be Christian, are you going to exclude them
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They won't be excluded. They can believe what ever they want. They will just have to swear to behave like Christians in day to day life (apart from praying and going to church).. No lying, stealing, murdering, gluttony, burning churches, etc.
 
Diarmuid said:
They won't be excluded. They can believe what ever they want. They will just have to swear to behave like Christians in day to day life (apart from praying and going to church).. No lying, stealing, murdering, gluttony, burning churches, etc.
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Those are things that do not require Christianity.

If you require Christianity to do or not do those things then obviously that is extremely troublesome and worrying..

What would happen if, for some reason, you stopped being a Christian.
 
Diarmuid said:
They won't be excluded. They can believe what ever they want. They will just have to swear to behave like Christians in day to day life (apart from praying and going to church).. No lying, stealing, murdering, gluttony, burning churches, etc.
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There is more to it than that. On Religious grounds I believe divorce is forbidden however politically I think civil divorce should be allowed but maybe not no fault divorce. How far are you going to enforce laws against gluttony? Will people have State ration cards? I admire people like Savonarola, St Louis the Pious and St Edward the Confessor but once you get into the nitty gritty of establishing a Christian Theocratic State in the contemporary age things get messy.
 
Easy divorce is a real stupid idea. Should only be for actual proven violence, impotence or lies.

Simple solution to divorce? Make marriage christian. Only recognize and give benfits to Christian marriage. Any flavour you like. Let the churches handle the divorces or the anullments.

Give huge incentives for marriage, long lasting relationship and having babies.

Even non-christians get the baby and relationship incentives, but not the marriage.
 
The Equalizer said:
So, here is the debate.

I thought it might be a bit boring after listening to the opening statements but it soon gets fairly spicy after that :)

I think everyone would know which side of the fence I'm on so I won't comment on what was said (at least for now :)) but I have to say, the Christian nationalist came across as very much a bog standard anti-racist <is a code word for anti-white> lefty or Tommytard. Very reminiscent of the Soapbox Dunce (AKA @Roc_) too.

You can watch/listen by clicking on the YouTube link below..


View: https://t.me/saintharrison/15013

Or watch embedded (no ads) by pressing ▶️below..


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G6GYRhN5980
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Okay what he means by Christian Nationalism is very different from how I would have understood the term. He means Christians as a whole form a Nation. Also he is an Anglican and has a problem with the State appointing people in the Church? I can understand a Catholic or a "Dissenter" saying that but not an Anglican.
 
Diarmuid said:
Easy divorce is a real stupid idea. Should only be for actual proven violence, impotence or lies.

Simple solution to divorce? Make marriage christian. Only recognize and give benfits to Christian marriage. Any flavour you like. Let the churches handle the divorces or the anullments.

Give huge incentives for marriage, long lasting relationship and having babies.

Even non-christians get the baby and relationship incentives, but not the marriage.
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So you think that Irish people who aren't Christian shouldn't be able to get divorced or married?

Is that what you're saying, Dermot? 🤔
 
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Agobard Admirer said:
Okay what he means by Christian Nationalism is very different from how I would have understood the term. He means Christians as a whole form a Nation.
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What else could it mean? 🤔

Agobard Admirer said:
Also he is an Anglican and has a problem with the State appointing people in the Church? I can understand a Catholic or a "Dissenter" saying that but not an Anglican.
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Diarmuid said:
Easy divorce is a real stupid idea. Should only be for actual proven violence, impotence or lies.

Simple solution to divorce? Make marriage christian. Only recognize and give benfits to Christian marriage. Any flavour you like. Let the churches handle the divorces or the anullments.

Give huge incentives for marriage, long lasting relationship and having babies.

Even non-christians get the baby and relationship incentives, but not the marriage.
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Marriage is a contract with the State, it is more than that, a lot more, but it is also that.

I am against divorce and think the annulment system is incredibly abused. However when it comes to what the State should do I don't think it is right to impose what I see as Christian standards.

There is the problem that people have come to see the individual as the cornerstone of society while as in the past people saw the family as being so. I am not sure you can legislate a return.
 
The Equalizer said:
Well that's not nationalism, it's universalism
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Yes but you could argue that those things are not in absolute contradiction- that someone manifest and knows their universal human essence exactly through loyalty the ethnic essence which God has given them and that to melt down the different ethnicities into a nondescript sludge of biomass is to attack the Universal God of Creation.
 
Agobard Admirer said:
Marriage is a contract with the State,
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Bunreacht says State is just sub-contractor for God.

Agobard Admirer said:
I don't think it is right to impose what I see as Christian standards.
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One man, one woman marriage is just commonsense, common decency and science.
Agobard Admirer said:
There is the problem that people have come to see the individual as the cornerstone of society while as in the past people saw the family as being so.
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It's a problem. Bring back the clann!

Agobard Admirer said:
I am not sure you can legislate a return.
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You can legislatively incentivise a return. The fascists taxed bachelors more each year till they reached 35. You could give increased tax allowance every year until at ten years of marriage, you would be paying zero tax.

If it was more profitable for women to stay married and have babies rather than have abortions and divorces, they would all be trad wives.
 
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