Ukraine.

[Kangal]

Russia is winning.

How? How on earth are they winning?

They have been pulling 50 year old vehicles out of reserve for months now. In some cases they are trying to rush AFU positions with trucks.

There have been no concerted cruise missile strikes for months. They have to manufacture a new stockpile to waste this winter against AFU SAMs.

The Black Sea is lost to them.

The only way to "win" is for a negoiated ceasefire. But the West will arm Ukraine to the teeth, with NATO forces absolutely going to be stationed on Ukrainian soil.

That defeats Putins real objectives to the point of disaster.

 

[Fishalt]

How? How on earth are they winning?

They have been pulling 50 year old vehicles out of reserve for months now. In some cases they are trying to rush AFU positions with trucks.

There have been no concerted cruise missile strikes for months. They have to manufacture a new stockpile to waste this winter against AFU SAMs.

The only way to "win" is for a negoiated ceasefire. But the West will arm Ukraine to the teeth, with NATO forces absolutely going to be stationed on Ukrainian soil.

That defeats Putins real objectives to the point of disaster.

They're winning because they've taken more land, including two major cities, and will have soon captured a third, and Ukraine is out of money with Zitler begging for more of it.

 

[valamhic]

Nothing you write ever makes any sense. It's always a double-hedge, irresolveable. Ukraine is losing the war. The only argument one could make against this would be in a scenario in which Ukraine had recaptured more territory than it had lost. This has not happened. No, Ukraine has not reclaimed over 50% of the territory taken by Russia. This is semantics put out by Blinken. Russia had never annexed the territories he's referring to. He's referring to sorties that were pushed out the regions you're referring to earlier in the war.

For example, Russia has taken and Annexed Mariupol and Bakhmut, definitionally. What progress has the amazing AFU made to recapture these major cities? Absolutely none. They have instead sent 30K troops to defend Avdiivka--another major city, which they will also lose, and will be annexed, all the while conceding more ground elsewhere. Those 30k troops are the only reason it hasn't fallen already.

To do this, they've also blown through all their funding. 75B$. The US has spent 75B$ for Ukraine to lose.

That's the reality.

That is what debate is for, the war should be the subject and not the posters .If Napoleon and Hitler could not defeat Russia how can Ukraine? Russia has an endless supply of troops and arms and aircraft.

 

[Mad as Fish]

You can actually count the lost RF armour in the published videos.

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Errr....

WTF has that got to do with the number of casualties?

 

[Mad as Fish]

That is what debate is for, the war should be the subject and not the posters .If Napoleon and Hitler could not defeat Russia how can Ukraine? Russia has an endless supply of troops and arms and aircraft.

And coal and steel and gas and oil and space to buld all it needs well away from the frontlines.

 

[valamhic]

I wonder what would all of us do if we had be Ukrainians and were living there. I would not fight for Ukraine.
I would not let them take my sons either.

 

[Kangal]

If Napoleon and Hitler could not defeat Russia how can Ukraine? Russia has an endless supply of troops and arms and aircraft.

They invaded Russia. You defend your homeland

But Russia invaded Ukraine.

That's the difference.

Russia, no.....the USSR, lost in Afghanistan against a rabble armed with Stinger missiles.

And now the Russians have to ask the NK for artillery shells.

 

[Fishalt]

That is what debate is for, the war should be the subject and not the posters .If Napoleon and Hitler could not defeat Russia how can Ukraine? Russia has an endless supply of troops and arms and aircraft.

Here's what Jarry doesn't get about Russia: It's more or less a dictatorship with unlimited energy resources and a population of at least 140M. Organizing labour to produce arms for the war effort will not be difficult. Think England in WW2. Russia can afford to throw men and equipment at Ukraine indefinitely. It's ostensibly inexhaustible. To make up any shortfalls they can simply buy what they need from the Saudis or NK.

There is no equipment crisis. There is no manpower crisis. There won't be either.

 

[Kangal]

Errr....

WTF has that got to do with the number of casualties?

Just check the stats.

 

[valamhic]

And coal and steel and gas and oil and space to buld all it needs well away from the frontlines.

I used to buy Russian centre fire rifle ammunition. It was balled "Barnaul" It had steel cases instead of brass. It was a bit dirty but it was very accurate. I tested it one morning and hit a hens egg at 155 meters. cheap too.

 

[Fishalt]

Just check the stats.

You don't know what the stats are. None of us do. Either side has been and will continue to manipulate and adjust them for propaganda purposes. Only morons like you accept them on face value.

 

[Mad as Fish]

They invaded Russia. You defend your homeland

But Russia invaded Ukraine.

That's the difference.

Russia, no.....the USSR, lost in Afghanistan against a rabble armed with Stinger missiles.

And now the Russians have to ask the NK for artillery shells.

So did the Brits and so did the Yanks. The Afghans are tough cookies and it's their backyard.

 

[valamhic]

They invaded Russia. You defend your homeland

But Russia invaded Ukraine.

That's the difference.

Russia, no.....the USSR, lost in Afghanistan against a rabble armed with Stinger missiles.

And now the Russians have to ask the NK for artillery shells.

Ukraine neighbours Russia. Everyone lost in Afghanistan. America lost in Afghanistan and Vietnam.
Russia has no elections to worry about either.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Just check the stats.

What stats?

 

[Mad as Fish]

I used to buy Russian centre fire rifle ammunition. It was balled "Barnaul" It had steel cases instead of brass. It was a bit dirty but it was very accurate. I tested it one morning and hit a hens egg at 155 meters. cheap too.

Couldn't you just crack it into the pan for breakfast like everyone else?

 

[Kangal]

So did the Brits and so did the Yanks. The Afghans are tough cookies and it's their backyard.

The Yanks are different. They totally dominated the Taliban. Then Trump pulled them out, setting the pull out date right after Biden come to power.

 

[Mad as Fish]

The Yanks are different. They totally dominated the Taliban. Then Trump pulled them out.

And he pulled them out because.....?

 

[Kangal]

What stats?

You haven't checked the site?

 

[Kangal]

Russia has no elections to worry about either.

Yes, that's how the Czar and the USSR fell eventually too.

 

[Mad as Fish]

He's a fucking idiot.

So are you, but he got elected POTUS.

 

[Kangal]

If you've got the figures get off your idle hole and go fetch them.

You didn't check the site. Righto.

 

[Fishalt]

The Yanks are different. They totally dominated the Taliban. Then Trump pulled them out, setting the pull out date right after Biden come to power.

Seriously, this is how we all know you're a shill/troll. The Biden administration completely fucked the dog on the Afghanistan withdrawal, and this happenedf under his stewardship and cabinet. It was a shitshow of the highest order. Even MSM reported it this way.

I have no idea why Declan allows you to continue to post here.

 

[Fishalt]

Yep. And never won the popular vote.
He's still a fucking idiot though.

That's not how a consitutional republic works. You don't have the requisite intellect to understand why the direct democracy you advocate for is a bad system of government.

 

[Kangal]

What have you ever done with your life?

Married, two kids, great job. Travelled to 50 countries.

You?

 

[Fishalt]

This is a fine opportunity to expose Jarry's lies, and agenda. This is actually how MSM reported the Afghan withdrawal. Note that this is just a snapshot of Far-left media outlets, and how they reported it. CNN, TIME, and The New Yorker.

Joe Biden's Botched Withdrawal Plunges Afghanistan Into Chaos

Americans knew this day would come, but the collapse was so sudden and complete that it was stunning when it finally did.

time.com

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/16/politics/afghanistan-joe-biden-donald-trump-kabul-politics/index.html

Biden’s Chaotic Withdrawal from Afghanistan Is Complete

The U.S. has extricated its military from a two-decade-long conflict, but the country, and tens of thousands of Afghan allies, have been abandoned to the Taliban.

www.newyorker.com

 

[Mad as Fish]

Married, two kids, great job. Travelled to 50 countries.

You?

Got a damn sight better job than you.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Cue the Walter Mitty response.

Some hippy trippy backpacking 'cos no one would give him a real job.

 

[Kangal]

Got a damn sight better job than you.

Also, how insecure is that response. Wow.

 

[Kangal]

You made the claim, you back it up.

Your obstintance to tackle your ignorance is a wonder of its own.

 

[Kangal]

Russia is winning!

Oh. Wait a minute.

Ukraine defies Russian attacks to continue Black Sea exports

The strike, which killed one sailor, is the first major challenge to Kyiv’s humanitarian maritime corridor.

www.politico.eu

 

[Kangal]

The Yanks are different. They totally dominated the Taliban. Then Trump pulled them out, setting the pull out date right after Biden come to power.

Yep.

Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss

The memo was among the latest revelations from the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol building.

www.militarytimes.com

Fishalt told another boo boo!

 

[Fishalt]

Yep.

Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss

The memo was among the latest revelations from the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol building.

www.militarytimes.com

Fishalt told another boo boo!

There it is ladies and gents.

Here's the first paragraph of the article--another source nobody has ever heard of or gives a shit about:

Testimony by the January 6 comittee ( LOL) that states, assuming this report is even accurate, the order was never acted upon.

Stay tuned for Emojis.

 

[Declan]

Married, two kids, great job. Travelled to 50 countries.

You?

Where are the other 48 kids??

 

[Fishalt]

Jerry is spamming the thread because he doesn't want you to know that RU forces made a significant gain in the Avdiivka offensive in the last 24 hours. Specifically, they have broken through AFU defenses along the entire northern quarter of the railway. This is a significant and unexpected devlopment. That is also being acknoledged by The Ukrainian side.

This comes on the back of a video released earlier today by the AFU 110th brigade, lamenting their lack of equipment and supplies, which leads to "Dozens of deaths daily". They also say the entire command warehouse has been secretly evacuated from the zone, Posted below.

https://streamable.com

 

[Fishalt]

Where are the other 48 kids??

Ball-gagged and bound with duct tape in his mother's basement.

 

[Declan]

Jerry is spamming the thread because he doesn't want you to know that RU forces made a significant gain in the Avdiivka offensive in the last 24 hours. Specifically, they have broken through AFU defenses along the entire northern quarter of the railway. This is a significant and unexpected devlopment. That is also being acknoledged by The Ukrainian side.


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This comes on the back of a video released earlier today by the AFU 110th brigade, lamenting their lack of equipment and supplies, which leads to "Dozens of deaths daily". They also say the entire command warehouse has been secretly evacuated from the zone, Posted below.

https://streamable.com

I think Jarry realizes the jig is up. I would not be surprised if he sneeks out the door now.

 

[Kangal]

Where are the other 48 kids??

In a Russian child porn studio according to MAF.

 

[Kangal]

I think Jarry realizes the jig is up. I would not be surprised if he sneeks out the door now.

Reverse psychology.

I get it.

You need the traffic Dec. Happy to help.

 

[Kangal]

Jerry is spamming the thread because he doesn't want you to know that RU forces made a significant gain in the Avdiivka offensive in the last 24 hours. Specifically, they have broken through AFU defenses along the entire northern quarter of the railway. This is a significant and unexpected devlopment. That is also being acknoledged by The Ukrainian side.


View attachment 3445
This comes on the back of a video released earlier today by the AFU 110th brigade, lamenting their lack of equipment and supplies, which leads to "Dozens of deaths daily". They also say the entire command warehouse has been secretly evacuated from the zone, Posted below.

https://streamable.com

What a stunning development. Did they just advance 1000 m by a local railway?

Well that's it then. Odessa by tomorrow.

 

[jpc]

That is what debate is for, the war should be the subject and not the posters .If Napoleon and Hitler could not defeat Russia how can Ukraine? Russia has an endless supply of troops and arms and aircraft.

Russia doesn't have an endless supply of anything especially troops.
By contrast Russia military planners are doing their utmost to minimise casualties.
Hence the attrition warfare.
The rules of the game changed wrt military operations/technologies in the 2020s.
The Russians figured it out far quicker than their opposition.