The Climate Change scam

[clarke-connolly]

A couple of weeks back I stumbled out of a pub on Swords main street and very nearly fell under the wheels of a tractor.

There were dozens of them driving through on their way to Dublin. What was that all about Sir?

Did you, Draw Your Sword ? !

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Its no laughing matter Clarke

 

[clarke-connolly]

Its no laughing matter Clarke

There probably would never had been an Invasion if ~ Everyone in Swords, Wore a Sword = = Swords let us Down.

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

'The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) is a large system of ocean currents that transfers warm salty water northward. This water cools on its winding journey north, which makes it denser. As the cold water sinks, water from other oceans is pulled in to fill the surface, driving the circulatory system back down south again.

AMOC has been slowing down significantly since the mid-1900s.

With increasing contributions of freshwater from melting glaciers and greater rain, concentrations of salt in the sea water drop, and the saline water becomes less dense, disrupting the sinking process and weakening the entire physical cycle.

...

AMOC has only been directly monitored since 2004, so it has not been long enough to understand the full trajectory of the current slowing trend. As a result, scientists have been using indirect indicators like salinity levels to try and fill in their knowledge gaps.

Van Westen and team have yet to amalgamate all the factors to accurately predict when the AMOC collapse will occur, but they believe that catastrophic moment is a lot closer than many current simulations suggest.

...

Collapse of the AMOC happens cyclically over a million-year scale, and based on past occurrences, we know the Arctic should extend south during this time, leading to decreased temperatures in northwestern Europe by up to 15 °C, disrupting tropical monsoons and heating up the Southern Hemisphere even further.'

It's Confirmed. A Major Atlantic Ocean Current Is Verging on Collapse. - Science Alert

 

[valamhic]

A couple of weeks back I stumbled out of a pub on Swords main street and very nearly fell under the wheels of a tractor.

There were dozens of them driving through on their way to Dublin. What was that all about Sir?

Farmers protest.

 

[valamhic]

'The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) is a large system of ocean currents that transfers warm salty water northward. This water cools on its winding journey north, which makes it denser. As the cold water sinks, water from other oceans is pulled in to fill the surface, driving the circulatory system back down south again.

AMOC has been slowing down significantly since the mid-1900s.

With increasing contributions of freshwater from melting glaciers and greater rain, concentrations of salt in the sea water drop, and the saline water becomes less dense, disrupting the sinking process and weakening the entire physical cycle.

...

AMOC has only been directly monitored since 2004, so it has not been long enough to understand the full trajectory of the current slowing trend. As a result, scientists have been using indirect indicators like salinity levels to try and fill in their knowledge gaps.

Van Westen and team have yet to amalgamate all the factors to accurately predict when the AMOC collapse will occur, but they believe that catastrophic moment is a lot closer than many current simulations suggest.

...

Collapse of the AMOC happens cyclically over a million-year scale, and based on past occurrences, we know the Arctic should extend south during this time, leading to decreased temperatures in northwestern Europe by up to 15 °C, disrupting tropical monsoons and heating up the Southern Hemisphere even further.'

It's Confirmed. A Major Atlantic Ocean Current Is Verging on Collapse. - Science Alert

The climate today is the same as it was in 1960 except for a slight warming which is natural as the world comes out of the 16th century mini ice age. Polar ice caps are still in place with no sign of sea level rise. It is all mass hysteria

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

The climate today is the same as it was in 1960 except for a slight warming which is natural as the world comes out of the 16th century mini ice age. Polar ice caps are still in place with no sign of sea level rise. It is all mass hysteria

Sure it'll be like Newfoundland if the North Atlantic Drift turns off. Still, they've been talking about this for a while and sure isn't it t-shirt weather in Ireland!

We could do with a week's worth of dry weather, you couldn't put a wheel barrow on it at the moment although there's some grass coming through that might get the cattle out of the shed a couple of weeks early.

 

[valamhic]

Greencoat renewables 100 cent share is at 85 cent top day. No sign of them ever reaching their cost price.

 

[valamhic]

Sure it'll be like Newfoundland if the North Atlantic Drift turns off. Still, they've been talking about this for a while and sure isn't it t-shirt weather in Ireland!

We could do with a week's worth of dry weather, you couldn't put a wheel barrow on it at the moment although there's some grass coming through that might get the cattle out of the shed a couple of weeks early.

The north Atlantic drift will operate as it has for the past 10 thousand years and will continue for at least ten thousand more. On the ocean there are times when one can actually see the vapour rising off the suffice
twixt Ireland and America.

 

[Mad as Fish]

'The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) is a large system of ocean currents that transfers warm salty water northward. This water cools on its winding journey north, which makes it denser. As the cold water sinks, water from other oceans is pulled in to fill the surface, driving the circulatory system back down south again.

AMOC has been slowing down significantly since the mid-1900s.

With increasing contributions of freshwater from melting glaciers and greater rain, concentrations of salt in the sea water drop, and the saline water becomes less dense, disrupting the sinking process and weakening the entire physical cycle.

...

AMOC has only been directly monitored since 2004, so it has not been long enough to understand the full trajectory of the current slowing trend. As a result, scientists have been using indirect indicators like salinity levels to try and fill in their knowledge gaps.

Van Westen and team have yet to amalgamate all the factors to accurately predict when the AMOC collapse will occur, but they believe that catastrophic moment is a lot closer than many current simulations suggest.

...

Collapse of the AMOC happens cyclically over a million-year scale, and based on past occurrences, we know the Arctic should extend south during this time, leading to decreased temperatures in northwestern Europe by up to 15 °C, disrupting tropical monsoons and heating up the Southern Hemisphere even further.'

It's Confirmed. A Major Atlantic Ocean Current Is Verging on Collapse. - Science Alert

Sometimes Usually, scientists just get too damn clever for the sake of being clever.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Ear to the Ground were in Cavan earlier and a farmer was giving out about other lads he knew dumping slurry into rivers.

I'm not saying he was referencing Val but it was in his part of the County, the Louth/Meath end.

I hope Val doesn't fall foul of the law.

 

[Professor]

Ear to the Ground were in Cavan earlier and a farmer was giving out about other lads he knew dumping slurry into rivers.

I'm not saying he was referencing Val but it was in his part of the County, the Louth/Meath end.

I hope Val doesn't fall foul of the law.

Absolute fecked up feckin wasters, must do better, Slurry is Gold!!

Slurry power to drive electricity - Agriland.ie

Slurry from a single cow in one year can produce a total of 1000 kilowatt hours of electricity. This is according to the German Ministry of Agriculture.

www.agriland.ie

. . . . Slurry from a single cow in one year can produce a total of 1,000 kilowatt hours of electricity, according to the German Ministry of Agriculture.

The Ministry says that’s enough 1,000 full washes of a washing machine. It has released the stats to coincide with renewable energy day in Germany which takes place this Saturday 26. It also outlines that if one uses the manure of a small herd of cattle (25 cattle), it is possible to power as many as seven average households with a year’s supply of electricity.

In addition, the Ministry stress the not only manure can make an important contribution to climate friendly and sustainable energy supply with numerous other residues having uses. . . .

 

[Mad as Fish]

Absolute fecked up feckin wasters, must do better, Slurry is Gold!!

Slurry power to drive electricity - Agriland.ie

Slurry from a single cow in one year can produce a total of 1000 kilowatt hours of electricity. This is according to the German Ministry of Agriculture.

www.agriland.ie

. . . . Slurry from a single cow in one year can produce a total of 1,000 kilowatt hours of electricity, according to the German Ministry of Agriculture.

The Ministry says that’s enough 1,000 full washes of a washing machine. It has released the stats to coincide with renewable energy day in Germany which takes place this Saturday 26. It also outlines that if one uses the manure of a small herd of cattle (25 cattle), it is possible to power as many as seven average households with a year’s supply of electricity.

In addition, the Ministry stress the not only manure can make an important contribution to climate friendly and sustainable energy supply with numerous other residues having uses. . . .

First you have to collect the gas from the slury, clean it and store it. It can be done and is being done, but its not easy or cheap.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

First you have to collect the gas from the slury, clean it and store it. It can be done and is being done, but its not easy or cheap.

Where does dumping large amounts in rivers come into it Sir?

 

[Mad as Fish]

Where does dumping large amounts in rivers come into it Sir?

It makes the fish fart before they expire.

 

[Professor]

First you have to collect the gas from the slury, clean it and store it. It can be done and is being done, but its not easy or cheap.

Yeah but Ireland being such an open grazing grassland nation there should be better facilities to deal with it? And regarding expense - it sort of pays for itself.

Those filthy dumping lads should have access to processing centres, if not their own ?

EPA urges reuse of farm slurry as fertilisers, energy

Farm slurry could be converted into energy and high-grade fertilisers at 40 centralised anaerobic digestion plants around the…

www.irishtimes.com

. . . Farm slurry could be converted into energy and high-grade fertilisers at 40 centralised anaerobic digestion plants around the State, under a proposal from the Environmental Protection Agency. . . .

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Those filthy dumping lads should have access to processing centres, if not their own ?

Val says putting it in the river does no harm. Everybody's at it.

 

[jpc]

First you have to collect the gas from the slury, clean it and store it. It can be done and is being done, but its not easy or cheap.

Anaerobic digestion.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Yeah but Ireland being such an open grazing grassland nation there should be better facilities to deal with it? And regarding expense - it sort of pays for itself.

Those filthy dumping lads should have access to processing centres, if not their own ?

EPA urges reuse of farm slurry as fertilisers, energy

Farm slurry could be converted into energy and high-grade fertilisers at 40 centralised anaerobic digestion plants around the…

www.irishtimes.com

. . . Farm slurry could be converted into energy and high-grade fertilisers at 40 centralised anaerobic digestion plants around the State, under a proposal from the Environmental Protection Agency. . . .

I feel a polemic coming on, but it will wait until the morn!

 

[Professor]

Val says putting it in the river does no harm. Everybody's at it.

Well, perhaps he and his locals have a system which suits them, obviously the fish and aquatic life will be decimated during spill-out season but here in Ireland there's so much rain that the slurry is quickly rinsed out down to the sea.
Not a big problem for most of the locals who never use the river.
Regarding a potable water source sure there's a ton of chlorine added and RTE do a great job on the boil notices which keeps everyone safe.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Well, perhaps he and his locals have a system which suits them.

Oh its grand for the locals who live upstream. But those living downstream from the filthy bastard apparently glow in the dark.

 

[Professor]

Oh its grand for the locals who live upstream. But those living downstream from the filthy bastard apparently glow in the dark.

It's Ireland, what do you expect from a kippy dump?

Water's still full of mandatory fluoride, who knows at what level? The Europeans go to the chemist to buy fluoride tabs if they feel the need but here, the chemical is dumped into the drinking water. The locals won't change the system because - It's their kip and they're having it!!

 

[Mad as Fish]

Just a few words on the cattle slurry situation.

There are a 1,001 factors involved but I'll keep it simple. Ireland has an excellent climate for growing grass so we do, and we feed that grass to dairy and beef cattle. Grass is not nutrient dense so the animals eat a lot of it and therefore produce a lot of poop.

That poop is rich in microbes, in fact it is mostly microbes with some undigested fibre (lignin and cellulose) mixed in, along with a lot of water.

A lot of nitrogen that is fed to the grass to make it grow ends up in the poop. Mixing all that nitrogen into a watercourse will cause oxygen deprivation due to aerobic microbes feeding on it. Milk, BTW, has a far higher biological oxygen demand and is a far worse pollutant.

It is this lack of oxygen in the water that kills the fish.

Farmers are therefore obliged to collect the poop and dispose of it without it getting into watercourses. It is an excellent fertiliser and so spreading it back on the land is the best thing to do with it. This has been known since farming began.

However, it does need storing over the winter when cattle are housed and, TBH, most farmers haven't enough storage although they meet the legal requirements. When the ground is wet the slurry can run off the the fields into the rivers, but farmers run out of storage and have put it out just as soon as they legally can although conditions might not be suitable.

There is a general lack of storage because herd sizes have increased but not the facilities to deal with the waste. Slurry separation can help, but more storage is the real answer.

While in storage the microbes continue to break down the remaining solids and produce methane and other gasses in doing so. This mixture can be collected, purified and used as a fuel, and Agriland has covered this in the past, most farming media has.

However, it does take a big investment and the returns are variable so it has not caught on as much as certain interested parties might hope. New Holland are looking into it to fuel tractors and have pilot plants over in Cornwall, but it's motives might not be quite what they appear.

Central ADs (Anaerobic digestion plants) are a nonsensical idea as it means transporting crap miles rather than using it at source, and it is mainly water, and heaving water about pointlessly is not green by any standard.

That's the bones of it, but there is an awful lot of detail involved.

 

[valamhic]

Ear to the Ground were in Cavan earlier and a farmer was giving out about other lads he knew dumping slurry into rivers.

I'm not saying he was referencing Val but it was in his part of the County, the Louth/Meath end.

I hope Val doesn't fall foul of the law.

Why would you hope that? Anyway it is only done as an emergency and if possible on a bank holiday week end
when there is less likelihood of getting caught. This year I am low in slurry but I saw another poor farmer with over
flowing tanks. He could not travel out on the fields with the wet so he tipped it into the river from the road.

What is wrong with that? the rivers are full of water? All gone to the sea. Dublin Corporation are dumping millions of litres of sewerage into the sea a day.

 

[valamhic]

Just a few words on the cattle slurry situation.

There are a 1,001 factors involved but I'll keep it simple. Ireland has an excellent climate for growing grass so we do, and we feed that grass to dairy and beef cattle. Grass is not nutrient dense so the animals eat a lot of it and therefore produce a lot of poop.

That poop is rich in microbes, in fact it is mostly microbes with some undigested fibre (lignin and cellulose) mixed in, along with a lot of water.

A lot of nitrogen that is fed to the grass to make it grow ends up in the poop. Mixing all that nitrogen into a watercourse will cause oxygen deprivation due to aerobic microbes feeding on it. Milk, BTW, has a far higher biological oxygen demand and is a far worse pollutant.

It is this lack of oxygen in the water that kills the fish.

Farmers are therefore obliged to collect the poop and dispose of it without it getting into watercourses. It is an excellent fertiliser and so spreading it back on the land is the best thing to do with it. This has been known since farming began.

However, it does need storing over the winter when cattle are housed and, TBH, most farmers haven't enough storage although they meet the legal requirements. When the ground is wet the slurry can run off the the fields into the rivers, but farmers run out of storage and have put it out just as soon as they legally can although conditions might not be suitable.

There is a general lack of storage because herd sizes have increased but not the facilities to deal with the waste. Slurry separation can help, but more storage is the real answer.

While in storage the microbes continue to break down the remaining solids and produce methane and other gasses in doing so. This mixture can be collected, purified and used as a fuel, and Agriland has covered this in the past, most farming media has.

However, it does take a big investment and the returns are variable so it has not caught on as much as certain interested parties might hope. New Holland are looking into it to fuel tractors and have pilot plants over in Cornwall, but it's motives might not be quite what they appear.

Central ADs (Anaerobic digestion plants) are a nonsensical idea as it means transporting crap miles rather than using it at source, and it is mainly water, and heaving water about pointlessly is not green by any standard.

That's the bones of it, but there is an awful lot of detail involved.

It is best spread in dry weather. After 10 days the microbes convert it to a substance which the soil can use.

I have a steep slope of about 80 metres wide. I got the spreader man to hose the slurry down it. It never got
slurry and now after 9 months I can see the grass is greener there.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Why would you hope that? Anyway it is only done as an emergency and if possible on a bank holiday week end
when there is less likelihood of getting caught. This year I am low in slurry but I saw another poor farmer with over
flowing tanks. He could not travel out on the fields with the wet so he tipped it into the river from the road.

What is wrong with that? the rivers are full of water? All gone to the sea. Dublin Corporation are dumping millions of litres of sewerage into the sea a day.

Val, you are doing farming no favours at all.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Why would you hope that?

Cos I don't want to see them throw you in a cell with a big N!gger holding a tub of Vaseline.


(Even though last year you hoped an African Doctor would rape me in hospital)

 

[clarke-connolly]

Just a few words on the cattle slurry situation.

There are a 1,001 factors involved but I'll keep it simple. Ireland has an excellent climate for growing grass so we do, and we feed that grass to dairy and beef cattle. Grass is not nutrient dense so the animals eat a lot of it and therefore produce a lot of poop.

That poop is rich in microbes, in fact it is mostly microbes with some undigested fibre (lignin and cellulose) mixed in, along with a lot of water.

A lot of nitrogen that is fed to the grass to make it grow ends up in the poop. Mixing all that nitrogen into a watercourse will cause oxygen deprivation due to aerobic microbes feeding on it. Milk, BTW, has a far higher biological oxygen demand and is a far worse pollutant.

It is this lack of oxygen in the water that kills the fish.

Farmers are therefore obliged to collect the poop and dispose of it without it getting into watercourses. It is an excellent fertiliser and so spreading it back on the land is the best thing to do with it. This has been known since farming began.

However, it does need storing over the winter when cattle are housed and, TBH, most farmers haven't enough storage although they meet the legal requirements. When the ground is wet the slurry can run off the the fields into the rivers, but farmers run out of storage and have put it out just as soon as they legally can although conditions might not be suitable.

There is a general lack of storage because herd sizes have increased but not the facilities to deal with the waste. Slurry separation can help, but more storage is the real answer.

While in storage the microbes continue to break down the remaining solids and produce methane and other gasses in doing so. This mixture can be collected, purified and used as a fuel, and Agriland has covered this in the past, most farming media has.

However, it does take a big investment and the returns are variable so it has not caught on as much as certain interested parties might hope. New Holland are looking into it to fuel tractors and have pilot plants over in Cornwall, but it's motives might not be quite what they appear.

Central ADs (Anaerobic digestion plants) are a nonsensical idea as it means transporting crap miles rather than using it at source, and it is mainly water, and heaving water about pointlessly is not green by any standard.

That's the bones of it, but there is an awful lot of detail involved.

I wonder would, Slurry, Mixed with Turf ( or another fuel substance ) be a good quality fuel for Electricity Generation.

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

Cos I don't want to see them throw you in a cell with a big N!gger holding a tub of Vaseline.


(Even though last year you hoped an African Doctor would rape me in hospital)

I remember it well and it still sends a shiver down my spine .......at the time Val was hoping for that horrendous attack on you , we're you still in hospital or released

 

[Mad as Fish]

I wonder would, Slurry, Mixed with Turf ( or another fuel substance ) be a good quality fuel for Electricity Generation.

It's the methane generated by the microbes in the slurry that is used as a fuel rather than the slurry itself, which is usually 50 - 80% water.

 

[clarke-connolly]

It's the methane generated by the microbes in the slurry that is used as a fuel rather than the slurry itself, which is usually 50 - 80% water.

If there could be a Viable way of Taking the Water out of the Slurry in the Farm-Yard = = Then that would be, A Game Changer = = Easier said than done.

 

[Mad as Fish]

If there could be a Viable way of Taking the Water out of the Slurry in the Farm-Yard = = Then that would be, A Game Changer = = Easier said than done.

Slurry separation is already a thing and it can extend storage facilities by 20 - 30%, But both the liquid and solid factions contain nutrients which are best returned to the soil.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Just as you think that the US establishment might have paused at the line between the merely absurd and the certifiably insane, the cross dressing Admiral Rachel Levine steps boldly across it with this piece of wisdom -

“Climate change is having a disproportionate effect on the physical and mental health of black communities. Black Americans are more likely than white Americans to live in areas in housing that increase their susceptibility to climate related health issues, and 65% of black Americans report feeling anxious about climate changes. Impact. Through our Office of Climate Change and Health Equity and the Office of Environmental Justice. We're working with providers and community leaders to identify innovative approaches that empower communities to address to health consequences linked to climate change. Visit hhs.gov for more information, and tune in next Thursday to hear from another HHS leader and how you can contribute to advancing better health for black communities.”

Where do we go from here?

 

[valamhic]

Val, you are doing farming no favours at all.

I do spread slurry on the land when it is dry. Good fertilizer.

 

[Mad as Fish]

I do spread slurry on the land when it is dry. Good fertilizer.

Condoning the tipping of slurry into rivers is not helping agriculture.

 

[valamhic]

It's the methane generated by the microbes in the slurry that is used as a fuel rather than the slurry itself, which is usually 50 - 80% water.

Its more water than that. You are right, it is methane gas that burns with oxygen to give off heat.

 

[valamhic]

Condoning the tipping of slurry into rivers is not helping agriculture.

What do you do when your tank is full?

 

[valamhic]

Cos I don't want to see them throw you in a cell with a big N!gger holding a tub of Vaseline.


(Even though last year you hoped an African Doctor would rape me in hospital)

I said I hoped he would take your temperature per Anum which is the mist accurate. Its a stainless straw with a round gauge at the end to read.

 

[valamhic]

Just as you think that the US establishment might have paused at the line between the merely absurd and the certifiably insane, the cross dressing Admiral Rachel Levine steps boldly across it with this piece of wisdom -



Where do we go from here?

Is that admiral a Rear Admiral?

 

[valamhic]

Condoning the tipping of slurry into rivers is not helping agriculture.

We can spread chemical fertiliser instead.