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Message: <blockquote data-quote="scolairebocht" data-source="post: 133830" data-attributes="member: 8">I don't mean to cut across the debate here but it seems that Tiger has fallen into the cul de sac that many people do debating with atheists. What happens is that frequently the latter interpret their atheism as a kid of black hole of nothingness, and believing in, sometimes literally, nothing, so its impossible to have a debate, because the other side has actually no position. Sometimes they will invite you to give your interpretation of their position and then spend hours saying "I don't believe that"..."how dare you presume to know what I believe" etc etc. So I wonder would the atheists on here like to give a proper summary of what they actually believe, so that you could have a proper debate?Take a specific issue as an example which then might make this point clearer. For thousands of years people accepted the story in the Bible, particularly about Our Lord, as a genuine true account of what happened, so hence its a pretty strong bulwark of the theist position. So presumably atheists argue back against that, they obviously have to because if you accept the Bible as true then they are sunk? So can I invite atheists on here to say what is there position on that, for example, presumably you take one or other of these positions:a) That the Bible account is a later forgery, not written in Biblical times at all.b) That the Four Evangelists were writing fiction which they themselves never believed to be true.c) That these Four were misled, they thought what they said was true but it isn't.Or some variation of all that? Because its only when you try to get straight in your mind what you think really happened, straight enough that you are prepared to say so, that maybe you can see clearly the problems in your position?Anyway just a thought.</blockquote>

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