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<blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 142889" data-attributes="member: 353"><p>For crying out loud James, the pattern is always the same: you ask questions not in the pursuit of truth, but as a way of dodging it.</p><p></p><p>Your questions multiply endlessly because you have no answers of your own; they are simply placeholders to disguise the void. In all of our discussions, the substance comes from me, while you retreat into the safety of another question. And I have no doubt you will respond to this with <strong>yet another question</strong>, because that is your tediously predictable routine.</p><p></p><p><strong>Am I certain that God exists?</strong> Absolutely; though not in the shallow, mechanistic sense an atheist like you demands, as if the Divine could be trapped under a microscope. My certainty comes from the convergence of multiple lines of evidence, rational and experiential, which together form a reality too cohesive to ignore.</p><p></p><p>First, reason itself inclines toward God. The human intellect is not satisfied with randomness; we are ordered toward truth, beauty, and final causes. To insist that this innate longing for transcendence is an evolutionary accident is like claiming hunger proves there is no such thing as food.</p><p></p><p>Second, the universe is not a chaos but a cosmos: governed by laws so finely tuned that physicists themselves admit its order is mathematically improbable to the point of absurdity without a Designer.</p><p></p><p>Then there is my life experience. I watched my pregnant wife fall down a staircase, only to be caught; literally placed on the ground as if by unseen hands. She herself testified it was her guardian angel. They way she was caught mid-fall and placed on the ground is physically impossible. At nineteen, I was pulled 10 yards out of the path of a joyrider’s car (which was inches from me) in an instant by someone, but there was nobody around. At my grandmother’s deathbed, she spoke of seeing heaven while an unearthly fragrance filled the nursing home, drawing nurses from around the nursing home into the room by its sweetness. I witnessed similar phenomena at my own mother’s passing. Add to this the testimony of those I know personally who were clinically dead, yet returned describing experiences astonishingly consistent with thousands of other near-death accounts across cultures and centuries: overwhelming peace, light, and presence. There are too many life experiences to mention.</p><p></p><p>So yes; I am certain, because reason, order, providential interventions, and the witness of the dying all point in the same direction. To deny God in the face of such cumulative evidence is not intellectual rigor, but intellectual cowardice. And this leads to the real question: if atheists are so confident that consciousness is extinguished at death, how do they account for the uncanny consistency of near-death experiences, testified by millions, and even verified under clinical conditions?</p><p></p><p>I recall that you used to regularly tell Fishalt that he was a coward for pulling the ‘agnostic’ card. And yet here you are doing the same now. Wishy-washy nonsense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tiger, post: 142889, member: 353"] For crying out loud James, the pattern is always the same: you ask questions not in the pursuit of truth, but as a way of dodging it. Your questions multiply endlessly because you have no answers of your own; they are simply placeholders to disguise the void. In all of our discussions, the substance comes from me, while you retreat into the safety of another question. And I have no doubt you will respond to this with [B]yet another question[/B], because that is your tediously predictable routine. [B]Am I certain that God exists?[/B] Absolutely; though not in the shallow, mechanistic sense an atheist like you demands, as if the Divine could be trapped under a microscope. My certainty comes from the convergence of multiple lines of evidence, rational and experiential, which together form a reality too cohesive to ignore. First, reason itself inclines toward God. The human intellect is not satisfied with randomness; we are ordered toward truth, beauty, and final causes. To insist that this innate longing for transcendence is an evolutionary accident is like claiming hunger proves there is no such thing as food. Second, the universe is not a chaos but a cosmos: governed by laws so finely tuned that physicists themselves admit its order is mathematically improbable to the point of absurdity without a Designer. Then there is my life experience. I watched my pregnant wife fall down a staircase, only to be caught; literally placed on the ground as if by unseen hands. She herself testified it was her guardian angel. They way she was caught mid-fall and placed on the ground is physically impossible. At nineteen, I was pulled 10 yards out of the path of a joyrider’s car (which was inches from me) in an instant by someone, but there was nobody around. At my grandmother’s deathbed, she spoke of seeing heaven while an unearthly fragrance filled the nursing home, drawing nurses from around the nursing home into the room by its sweetness. I witnessed similar phenomena at my own mother’s passing. Add to this the testimony of those I know personally who were clinically dead, yet returned describing experiences astonishingly consistent with thousands of other near-death accounts across cultures and centuries: overwhelming peace, light, and presence. There are too many life experiences to mention. So yes; I am certain, because reason, order, providential interventions, and the witness of the dying all point in the same direction. To deny God in the face of such cumulative evidence is not intellectual rigor, but intellectual cowardice. And this leads to the real question: if atheists are so confident that consciousness is extinguished at death, how do they account for the uncanny consistency of near-death experiences, testified by millions, and even verified under clinical conditions? I recall that you used to regularly tell Fishalt that he was a coward for pulling the ‘agnostic’ card. And yet here you are doing the same now. Wishy-washy nonsense. [/QUOTE]
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