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<blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 143574" data-attributes="member: 353"><p>Haha, you bloody ding dong - it’s not me who ‘brought God into this’ ; it’s the patients themselves you wally.</p><p></p><p>People who were clinically dead consistently report encounters with God, Christ, or angelic beings. That’s THEIR testimony, not my projection. And these testimonies come from every corner of the globe, across religions and cultures, with strikingly consistent patterns. What happens with them lies outside the explanatory scope of material science; which is why it challenges materialism so deeply.</p><p></p><p>Also, to be clear - I haven’t ‘explained this with ‘God stuff.’ I’ve pointed to peer-reviewed medical data (van Lommel in <em>The Lancet</em>, Parnia’s AWARE project, the European Academy of Neurology’s 2019 survey) showing patients with no measurable brain activity reporting structured, veridical experiences. That’s evidence, not theology.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Naturally, your line that ‘the facts don’t show consciousness apart from the body’ is just a materialist mantra. The facts show that verifiable conscious experience occurs during periods when, under materialism, consciousness <strong>should be impossible</strong>; flatlined EEG, absent cortical function, sometimes for extended durations. That directly contradicts the materialist/atheist assumption that brain activity <em>is</em> consciousness.</p><p></p><p>So let’s flip it around: this isn’t me importing God; it’s you importing dogmatic materialism in the face of evidence that doesn’t fit. The data show consciousness functioning where your worldview says it cannot. If your only move is to ignore the evidence or call it ‘God of the Gaps,’ that’s not science; it’s denial.</p><p></p><p>Insert non-answer here <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="👇" title="Backhand index pointing down :point_down:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f447.png" data-shortname=":point_down:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="👇" title="Backhand index pointing down :point_down:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f447.png" data-shortname=":point_down:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="👇" title="Backhand index pointing down :point_down:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f447.png" data-shortname=":point_down:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tiger, post: 143574, member: 353"] Haha, you bloody ding dong - it’s not me who ‘brought God into this’ ; it’s the patients themselves you wally. People who were clinically dead consistently report encounters with God, Christ, or angelic beings. That’s THEIR testimony, not my projection. And these testimonies come from every corner of the globe, across religions and cultures, with strikingly consistent patterns. What happens with them lies outside the explanatory scope of material science; which is why it challenges materialism so deeply. Also, to be clear - I haven’t ‘explained this with ‘God stuff.’ I’ve pointed to peer-reviewed medical data (van Lommel in [I]The Lancet[/I], Parnia’s AWARE project, the European Academy of Neurology’s 2019 survey) showing patients with no measurable brain activity reporting structured, veridical experiences. That’s evidence, not theology. Naturally, your line that ‘the facts don’t show consciousness apart from the body’ is just a materialist mantra. The facts show that verifiable conscious experience occurs during periods when, under materialism, consciousness [B]should be impossible[/B]; flatlined EEG, absent cortical function, sometimes for extended durations. That directly contradicts the materialist/atheist assumption that brain activity [I]is[/I] consciousness. So let’s flip it around: this isn’t me importing God; it’s you importing dogmatic materialism in the face of evidence that doesn’t fit. The data show consciousness functioning where your worldview says it cannot. If your only move is to ignore the evidence or call it ‘God of the Gaps,’ that’s not science; it’s denial. Insert non-answer here 👇👇👇 [/QUOTE]
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