Andrew Gold Tackles The Taboo Topic Of Race Realism

I seem to recall he was African American? :confused: Is this a trick question or summat, Jambo?
 
Roc_ said:
I seem to recall he was African American? :confused: Is this a trick question or summat, Jambo?
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No. But it's something I remember from the stream (after I skimmed it today)..

Is Laurence Fishburne white, yes or no?
 
I really don't know what you're on about Jambo. I just looked it up and I'm told:

"... The infamous "Laurence Fishburne is a white man" blunder from that 2018 debate has been thoroughly analyzed and clipped across the internet. It highlights how the internal logic of alt-right internet "intellectuals" completely collapsed under the pressure of live broadcasting.

The exact comment was not made by Richard Spencer himself, but rather by one of the alt-right, race-focused debaters on Spencer’s side of the panel (often identified in internet archives as an internet commentator going by the handle "Striker" or "Tony Hovater").
The panel was deep into a dense, angry rant about Hollywood's "anti-white bias" and the concept of "race-swapping" established fictional characters.

The debater wanted to complain about the 2013 movie Man of Steel, where Laurence Fishburne was cast as Clark Kent’s boss, Perry White. In his mind, he wanted to say: "Hollywood took Perry White, a white character, and cast a Black man to play him."
Instead, his brain short-circuited due to the character's last name ("White"). He aggressively blurted out to the panel:

"They took Laurence Fishburne, who was a white man, and they made him Black!"

The response from the rest of the stream was immediate bewilderment. The opposing debaters immediately burst out laughing, completely sidelining the serious tone the alt-right panel was trying to maintain. Spencer and his immediate allies tried to swiftly talk over the blunder and correct the speaker, but the damage to their "intellectual" presentation was already done. The YouTube live chat exploded with mockery, with thousands of users spamming memes about Laurence Fishburne's iconic roles (like Morpheus in The Matrix) to point out how absurd it was to claim he used to be white.

The clip became a massive meme in the political commentary sphere throughout 2018. YouTube channels and Reddit communities used the mistake as definitive proof that the alt-right debaters were so completely blinded by an obsession with race that they literally could no longer process basic reality or speak coherently about the media they were criticizing..."

What do you want me to say, Jambo? What's the "gotcha"? What's the insider take? I'm bewildered. I really don't give a bollox about any of this online youtube stuff?
 
Roc_ said:
I really don't know what you're on about Jambo. I just looked it up and I'm told:

"... The infamous "Laurence Fishburne is a white man" blunder from that 2018 debate has been thoroughly analyzed and clipped across the internet. It highlights how the internal logic of alt-right internet "intellectuals" completely collapsed under the pressure of live broadcasting.

The exact comment was not made by Richard Spencer himself, but rather by one of the alt-right, race-focused debaters on Spencer’s side of the panel (often identified in internet archives as an internet commentator going by the handle "Striker" or "Tony Hovater").
The panel was deep into a dense, angry rant about Hollywood's "anti-white bias" and the concept of "race-swapping" established fictional characters.

The debater wanted to complain about the 2013 movie Man of Steel, where Laurence Fishburne was cast as Clark Kent’s boss, Perry White. In his mind, he wanted to say: "Hollywood took Perry White, a white character, and cast a Black man to play him."
Instead, his brain short-circuited due to the character's last name ("White"). He aggressively blurted out to the panel:

"They took Laurence Fishburne, who was a white man, and they made him Black!"

The response from the rest of the stream was immediate bewilderment. The opposing debaters immediately burst out laughing, completely sidelining the serious tone the alt-right panel was trying to maintain. Spencer and his immediate allies tried to swiftly talk over the blunder and correct the speaker, but the damage to their "intellectual" presentation was already done. The YouTube live chat exploded with mockery, with thousands of users spamming memes about Laurence Fishburne's iconic roles (like Morpheus in The Matrix) to point out how absurd it was to claim he used to be white.

The clip became a massive meme in the political commentary sphere throughout 2018. YouTube channels and Reddit communities used the mistake as definitive proof that the alt-right debaters were so completely blinded by an obsession with race that they literally could no longer process basic reality or speak coherently about the media they were criticizing..."

What do you want me to say, Jambo? What's the "gotcha"? What's the insider take? I'm bewildered. I really don't give a bollox about any of this online youtube stuff?
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lol You're doing precisely what Sargon (2018 version) did.


View: https://t.me/thepollingstationUK/6426

Which launched a thousand memes..
 
Wtf. I have no idea what you're on about. Are you twelve? Is it that there's a serious generation gap going on here. I don't get the joke? Or is it even a joke? But you're not twelve are you. Jambo, you're seriously in a cult you do realise that?
 
Roc_ said:
"... The infamous "Laurence Fishburne is a white man" blunder from that 2018 debate has been thoroughly analyzed and clipped across the internet. It highlights how the internal logic of alt-right internet "intellectuals" completely collapsed under the pressure of live broadcasting.

The exact comment was not made by Richard Spencer himself, but rather by one of the alt-right, race-focused debaters on Spencer’s side of the panel (often identified in internet archives as an internet commentator going by the handle "Striker" or "Tony Hovater").
The panel was deep into a dense, angry rant about Hollywood's "anti-white bias" and the concept of "race-swapping" established fictional characters.

The debater wanted to complain about the 2013 movie Man of Steel, where Laurence Fishburne was cast as Clark Kent’s boss, Perry White. In his mind, he wanted to say: "Hollywood took Perry White, a white character, and cast a Black man to play him."
Instead, his brain short-circuited due to the character's last name ("White"). He aggressively blurted out to the panel:

"They took Laurence Fishburne, who was a white man, and they made him Black!"

The response from the rest of the stream was immediate bewilderment. The opposing debaters immediately burst out laughing, completely sidelining the serious tone the alt-right panel was trying to maintain. Spencer and his immediate allies tried to swiftly talk over the blunder and correct the speaker, but the damage to their "intellectual" presentation was already done. The YouTube live chat exploded with mockery, with thousands of users spamming memes about Laurence Fishburne's iconic roles (like Morpheus in The Matrix) to point out how absurd it was to claim he used to be white.

The clip became a massive meme in the political commentary sphere throughout 2018. YouTube channels and Reddit communities used the mistake as definitive proof that the alt-right debaters were so completely blinded by an obsession with race that they literally could no longer process basic reality or speak coherently about the media they were criticizing..."
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That ^ is complete nonsense btw. A total fabrication.
 
Roc_ said:
Wtf. I have no idea what you're on about. Are you twelve? Is it that there's a serious generation gap going on here. I don't get the joke? Or is it even a joke? But you're not twelve are you. Jambo, you're seriously in a cult you do realise that?
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Is Laurence Fishburne white?
 
Jambo, I tried to answer the question, and when that didn't seem to satisfy you, then I explained to you at length I have no idea what you're on about. So you have your answer, as much as I am able to give.
 
Roc_ said:
Jambo, I tried to answer the question, and when that didn't seem to satisfy you, then I explained to you at length I have no idea what you're on about. So you have your answer, as much as I am able to give.
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No you haven't (answered), you clown.

Is Laurence Fishburne white, yes or no?
 
Roc_ said:
Not according to this recent article which just came up for me on asking abut this. It appears he remains active.

spectrejournal.com

Varieties of White Nationalism – Spectre Journal

Shane Burley looks at Richard Spencer's rebranding effort to illuminate the movement dynamics and political impasses of the "dissident" right.
spectrejournal.com spectrejournal.com
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Shane Burley the author of the below;

www.penguinrandomhouse.ca

Safety through Solidarity by Shane Burley | Penguin Random House Canada

Two activist journalists present a progressive, intersectional approach to the vital question: What can we do about antisemitism?
www.penguinrandomhouse.ca www.penguinrandomhouse.ca

Why We Fight: Essays on Fascism, Resistance, and Surviving the Apocalypse: Amazon.co.uk: Burley, Shane: 9781849354066: Books

Buy Why We Fight: Essays on Fascism, Resistance, and Surviving the Apocalypse by Burley, Shane (ISBN: 9781849354066) from Amazon's Book Store. Everyday low prices and free delivery on eligible orders.
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The Equalizer said:
That ^ is complete nonsense btw. A total fabrication... It's total and utter horseshit...
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How do we know that. That is what google AI tells me.

Certainly all the "meme-ing" Google tells me ensued the event rings very true.

In fact I bet it was this post online meme nerd stuff that rewrote the event in your mind - so that it differs from the objective search interpretation I uncovered.

Right now it appears to be some meme that is driving you to keep asking whether I would consider Laurence Fox "white"? Who gives a fuck Jambo?

This meme stuff only makes you appear edgy to unsophisticated child like mentalities and messed up autists like yourself.

The Equalizer said:
No you haven't (answered), you clown.
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I told you I already said I seemed to recall he was African American.

And I asked you was this a trick question?

Jambo no one gives a fuck about white supremacist "seminal" four hour videos like this, except a very specific and select group of online toxic morons, 99% of whom are fucked up, low IQ, single, thirty or forty something, American and British males.

There are very good reasons no one else gives a fuck.
 
Agobard Admirer said:
Shane Burley the author of the below...
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So is Richard Spencer still active or not. That was why I posted it, in counter to the claim he was "from a bygone era" (also worth considering evolving cult factions with respect to this claim.)

I.e. Is the journalist making up that he is. Is the below true or false for instance:

"... (Spencer) recently realized he needed to build a new core of followers and reconnect with old collaborators.1 He’s doing just that by launching Alexandria—a reconstructive imperial pagan cult for the intellectual far right —in an attempt to renew his relevance... Spencer’s attempted rebrand is part of the ever-shifting cycle of the far right and shows that few of the movement’s leaders are ever truly dead and that old ideas can find new life when concealed in the right packaging.

Spencer’s new, very online cadre are now helping create an aggressive, white nationalist, Greco-Roman pagan alternative to the Christian nationalism that dominates what he calls the dissident right, the term commonly used to describe the post-alt-right (new right is also common). Spencer’s Substack publication for Alexandria hit thousands of subscribers and he has built a new library of evocative material supporting his own increasingly specific incarnation of racial politics. He also started to repair relationships with white nationalists who have held onto their audiences such as Nick Fuentes..."

True or false? And also I want an answer to this - Is Richard Spencer white? You have to give me an answer or else you're not a part of the gang. :rolleyes:
 
Well it seems he got a dig for being a Nazi on a public street and he's been at home nursing his bruises. But he seems to be recovered from it now.
 
Roc_ said:
There are very good reasons no one else gives a fuck.
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And the only reason I told you that I would get the AI to extract a transcript and query what went on at this "seminal" event is because I feel it would help in unravelling the puzzle of your messed up psychology and susceptibleness to the process of radicalisation, there is no other reason.
 
Roc_ said:
True or false? And also I want an answer to this - Is Richard Spencer white? You have to give me an answer or else you're not a part of the gang. :rolleyes:
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Sure he is still on the internet however the stuff he is propounding now is very niche and cranky and almost designed to annoy not just the Christian Identity and traditionalist Christians within broadly speaking "White Nationalism" but also the Odinists (Mark Brahmin who he follows and promotes claims that Asatru is a Semitic Religion on the basis of the idea found in Snorri Sturluson that Odin was a Trojan warlord). He has also proven himself incredibly toxic as regards inter-personal relationships. Nick Fuentes continues to like him and Fuentes has built up a following for himself even if he is unsure what to do with it so there is that. Also that article claims that Atomwaffen are still around when they dissolved in 2020. It does admit at least that a genocide has been happening in Gaza.
 
Roc_ said:
How do we know that.
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Post in thread 'Andrew Gold Tackles The Taboo Topic Of Race Realism' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.co...-taboo-topic-of-race-realism.1152/post-167750

Roc_ said:
That is what google AI tells me.
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lol So you're already using AI to write your made-up stories for you? Everything you posted is complete rubbish, a total fabrication, you mentally ill liar.

Millennial Woes asked Sargon if Laurence Fishburne, a famous person, is white?

Sargon refused to answer, just like you're doing now, 8 years later.

Roc_ said:
Certainly all the "meme-ing" Google tells me ensued the event rings very true.

In fact I bet it was this post online meme nerd stuff that rewrote the event in your mind - so that it differs from the objective search interpretation I uncovered.

Right now it appears to be some meme that is driving you to keep asking whether I would consider Laurence Fox "white"? Who gives a fuck Jambo?

This meme stuff only makes you appear edgy to unsophisticated child like mentalities and messed up autists like yourself.



I told you I already said I seemed to recall he was African American.

And I asked you was this a trick question?

Jambo no one gives a fuck about white supremacist "seminal" four hour videos like this, except a very specific and select group of online toxic morons, 99% of whom are fucked up, low IQ, single, thirty or forty something, American and British males.

There are very good reasons no one else gives a fuck.
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The Equalizer said:
The argument that goes nowhere?

Do you think Jews have anything to do with mass immigration, Myles? 🤔
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In terms of Ireland they are not a huge factor at least now Alan Shatter is no longer seriously in the political picture, even than non-Jewish members of Fine Gael had their own ideological and crude material reasons for supporting his policies. The DUP's voters and rank and file membership tend to be very against mass immigration but behind their backs in obedience to the business interests they came to serve under the reigns of Peter Robinson and even more so Arlene Foster they lobbied for more migration into the six counties. Jews were not involved in this.

 
Roc_ said:
So is Richard Spencer still active or not. That was why I posted it, in counter to the claim he was "from a bygone era" (also worth considering evolving cult factions with respect to this claim.)

I.e. Is the journalist making up that he is. Is the below true or false for instance:

"... (Spencer) recently realized he needed to build a new core of followers and reconnect with old collaborators.1 He’s doing just that by launching Alexandria—a reconstructive imperial pagan cult for the intellectual far right —in an attempt to renew his relevance... Spencer’s attempted rebrand is part of the ever-shifting cycle of the far right and shows that few of the movement’s leaders are ever truly dead and that old ideas can find new life when concealed in the right packaging.

Spencer’s new, very online cadre are now helping create an aggressive, white nationalist, Greco-Roman pagan alternative to the Christian nationalism that dominates what he calls the dissident right, the term commonly used to describe the post-alt-right (new right is also common). Spencer’s Substack publication for Alexandria hit thousands of subscribers and he has built a new library of evocative material supporting his own increasingly specific incarnation of racial politics. He also started to repair relationships with white nationalists who have held onto their audiences such as Nick Fuentes..."
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Roc_ said:
True or false? And also I want an answer to this - Is Richard Spencer white? You have to give me an answer or else you're not a part of the gang. :rolleyes:
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🤦‍♂️

It's simple logic (although @Haven wouldn't be able to grasp it) and I gave all of the context required in my initial reply to you after you brought up the debate. Sargon was doing the "What is white?" thing.

If someone says white people can't be defined or they don't know how to do that and then you ask them is Laurence Fishburne white? and they answer No, then they are being inconsistent. Saying someone is not white requires a definition of what white is.

That's why you and Sargon can't answer the question.

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Agobard Admirer said:
In terms of Ireland they are not a huge factor at least now Alan Shatter is no longer seriously in the political picture, even than non-Jewish members of Fine Gael had their own ideological and crude material reasons for supporting his policies. The DUP's voters and rank and file membership tend to be very against mass immigration but behind their backs in obedience to the business interests they came to serve under the reigns of Peter Robinson and even more so Arlene Foster they lobbied for more migration into the six counties. Jews were not involved in this.

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It doesn't have to be about Jews in situ.

And of course, mass immigration / white genocide is unique to white countries, but not Ireland.
 
The Equalizer said:
Saying someone is not white requires a definition of what white is.
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No, they attempt to give an answer with a full view of this question of "definition of what white is", as there are unavoidable nuances (at least in the normal world outside your cult and insider jargon).

I.e. They know that white is normally defined as a colour.

But if you introduce it in the context of asking whether a person is white, the commonly held meanings evoked include:

1. The degree of skin colouring resulting from melanin adaptation.

2. White as "race", as was commonly held popularly in bygone eras, particularly after Carl Linnaeus (1707-1778) divided the human species into four main regional and skin-color-based varieties in his work Systema Naturae.

3. White as "race" as held in later eras, by far right groups including the Nazis and modern day white supremacists to justify an indecent politics that insists human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’ etc. etc.

Now you seem to insist on everyone using your own meanings or definitions. But as we have gone over ad nauseum on here - since the advent of modern molecular genetics, we now know that only a minor fraction of overall human genetic variation differentiates the erstwhile racial categories, clarifying that they have virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance for the human species.

So in other words, yet again, no one really knows what the fuck you're talking about, as you really couldn't or shouldn't be so fucking stupid as to miss all of this.
 
Agobard Admirer said:
That is a way of putting it. However she campaigned on a policy of doing the opposite but was forced into a reversal because Italian capitalism decided that was what was needed.
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Not quite.

Modern day let us call them "petit bourgeouise" are also rentiers, speculators, owners, investors, and have their money in pension funds, etc.

That is where the democratic mandate comes from to enact these things, like our government did in this country.

As Joaquin Almunia, EU commissioner for competition put it at the time, "... Ireland's “unilateral” bank guarantee of September 2008 was the trigger for subsequent EU-level actions to preserve Continent-wide financial stability...”.

Mass immigration necessarily ensued the guarantee and Nama which as I noted all provide the exact same "bail-out" function.

So Meloni didn't backtrack due to "Italian capitalism. Well perhaps to a degree, but she mainly backtracked due to the realisation that her middle class and working class political base were also bailed out by all of these type of devices, including the unavoidable desperate measure of mass immigration, which the resulting financial and economic equilibrium demanded.

So is no one going to draw the lesson from Meloni's about turn?
 
Roc_ said:
No, they attempt to give an answer
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I said that they cannot answer "No", without being inconsistent.

Gosh, you're stupid

Roc_ said:
with a full view of this question of "definition of what white is", as there are unavoidable nuances (at least in the normal world outside your cult and insider jargon).

I.e. They know that white is normally defined as a colour.

But if you introduce it in the context of asking whether a person is white, the commonly held meanings evoked include:

1. The degree of skin colouring resulting from melanin adaptation.

2. White as "race", as was commonly held popularly in bygone eras, particularly after Carl Linnaeus (1707-1778) divided the human species into four main regional and skin-color-based varieties in his work Systema Naturae.

3. White as "race" as held in later eras, by far right groups including the Nazis and modern day white supremacists to justify an indecent politics that insists human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’ etc. etc.

Now you seem to insist on everyone using your own meanings or definitions. But as we have gone over ad nauseum on here - since the advent of modern molecular genetics, we now know that only a minor fraction of overall human genetic variation differentiates the erstwhile racial categories, clarifying that they have virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance for the human species.

So in other words, yet again, no one really knows what the fuck you're talking about, as you really couldn't or shouldn't be so fucking stupid as to miss all of this.
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View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5QeDp8j7mw
 
Roc_ said:
No, they attempt to give an answer with a full view of this question of "definition of what white is", as there are unavoidable nuances (at least in the normal world outside your cult and insider jargon).

I.e. They know that white is normally defined as a colour.

But if you introduce it in the context of asking whether a person is white, the commonly held meanings evoked include:

1. The degree of skin colouring resulting from melanin adaptation.

2. White as "race", as was commonly held popularly in bygone eras, particularly after Carl Linnaeus (1707-1778) divided the human species into four main regional and skin-color-based varieties in his work Systema Naturae.

3. White as "race" as held in later eras, by far right groups including the Nazis and modern day white supremacists to justify an indecent politics that insists human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’ etc. etc.

Now you seem to insist on everyone using your own meanings or definitions.
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Roc_ said:
But as we have gone over ad nauseum on here - since the advent of modern molecular genetics, we now know that only a minor fraction of overall human genetic variation differentiates the erstwhile racial categories, clarifying that they have virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance for the human species.
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Btw, are you back to category 2 race denialism again? 🤔

Roc_ said:
So in other words, yet again, no one really knows what the fuck you're talking about, as you really couldn't or shouldn't be so fucking stupid as to miss all of this.
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That's three categories, admittedly. Not exactly sure which one @Haven is in, but it's one of the second two listed.
 
Anyone with an above room temperature IQ could understand that those are distinct categories.
 
More "distinct categories" and "distinct definitions" invented and prescribed by the cult, most likely a half renegade autist faction wandered off the reservation with clipboards and half their brain missing.
 
Roc_ said:
More "distinct categories" and "distinct definitions" invented and prescribed by the cult, most likely a half renegade autist faction wandered off the reservation with clipboards and half their brain missing.
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You're a spastic
 
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