Christians, UFOs and Aliens

[AN2]

Why do Christians not believe in UFOs?

I read in this article that it's because they're demonic, which @scolairebocht seemed to confirm in his Satanic Ritual Abuse thread.

Evidence for UFOs is mounting. But some Christians worry they’re demonic. How can we discern the truth?

Senior US government officials won't investigate UFOs, because they're "demonic". That's according to a counterintelligence officer, whose new book is shedding light on the Pentagon's "most closely guarded secret". Dr Matthew Halsted assesses the evidence

www.premierchristianity.com

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Is this true, and if so, why? Do all of the Christians here believe the same about UFO/UAPs?

 

[scolairebocht]

Its true that some serious researchers, like to an extent Daniel O'Connor, believe some of the UFO encounters are purely demonic.

I think it is the culmination of decades of work by Occult groups who are hoaxing this, and the soon to be announced 'first encounter'. They are doing this:

- because it will bring countries together in response to the outside threat, pushing towards a world government, which is the Occult dream.

- because it will shatter the self confidence of modern man and his reliance on our standard understanding of science and ancient relligions and history (they are going to say that it was aliens doing x y and z in ancient history and religion.)

- then in this atmosphere of turmoil they will sneak in aspects of their Occult religion. For example they will say we should collectively concentrate our consciousness on these aliens, which is an Occult concept actually.

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Why do Christians not believe in UFOs?

I read in this article that it's because they're demonic, which @scolairebocht seemed to confirm in his Satanic Ritual Abuse thread.

Evidence for UFOs is mounting. But some Christians worry they’re demonic. How can we discern the truth?

Senior US government officials won't investigate UFOs, because they're "demonic". That's according to a counterintelligence officer, whose new book is shedding light on the Pentagon's "most closely guarded secret". Dr Matthew Halsted assesses the evidence

www.premierchristianity.com

(removepaywall link)

Is this true, and if so, why? Do all of the Christians here believe the same about UFO/UAPs?

Obviously there are Unidentified Flying Objects- flying objects not belonging to normal air traffic, etc.

I don't believe that they come from out of this planetary system.

Personally I believe that they are generally either secret military technology or the activity of Fallen Angels which in my experience is what most Christians who have looked into this issue believe- but they could have other sources also, for instance they could come from outposts of a previous global civilization that survived the Great Flood and/or what our ancestors referred to as the Sidhe messing about.

Also a supposed "Alien Disclosure" might be part of an End Times deception.

 

[Anderson]

It makes perfect sense for Christians to believe in UFOs.

The Bible tells us that God created the Earth and the heavens.

The Book of Genesis. [1:1] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, [1:2] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [1:3] Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

 

[AN2]

Its true that some serious researchers, like to an extent Daniel O'Connor, believe some of the UFO encounters are purely demonic.

I had not heard of him

I take it that he's the chap who wrote this book -

The First and Last Deception: Aliens, UFOs, AI, and the Return of Eden's Demise - Daniel O'Connor

Temporarily Unavailable "FEARLESS"—Fr. Chris Alar, "MASTERFUL"—Mark Mallett, "A MUST READ!" —Dr. Michael Sirilla, "HUMANITY NEEDS TO READ THIS BOOK"—Christine Watkins, "CONVINCING" —Jesse RomeroOnly man bears His Image. History's Original Tragedy—The First Deception—began with Eve's neglect of...

bookstore.spiritdaily.com

I think it is the culmination of decades of work by Occult groups who are hoaxing this, and the soon to be announced 'first encounter'.

Well we're not exactly talking this (at least not yet) -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpIjv6XSLM

They are doing this:

The Occultists?

- because it will bring countries together in response to the outside threat, pushing towards a world government, which is the Occult dream.

- because it will shatter the self confidence of modern man and his reliance on our standard understanding of science and ancient relligions and history (they are going to say that it was aliens doing x y and z in ancient history and religion.)

- then in this atmosphere of turmoil they will sneak in aspects of their Occult religion. For example they will say we should collectively concentrate our consciousness on these aliens, which is an Occult concept actually.

Right, but none of that has happened, yet it's still your reason to not believe in UFO/UAPs?

 

[scolairebocht]

Yes the Occultists are doing this, you saw the tweet on the other thread with all the great modern UFO guys in the most openly Occultic institution in the US.

You are right in that the 'first encounter' hasn't happened yet, but it soon will. This year or early the next.

 

[AN2]

Obviously there are Unidentified Flying Objects- flying objects not belonging to normal air traffic, etc.

I don't believe that they come from out of this planetary system.

Indeed there's no evidence for that, you'd almost remind of Hitchens

Personally I believe that they are generally either secret military technology or the activity of Fallen Angels..

Woahh.. wait, so you think that they might be demonic, too?

which in my experience is what most Christians who have looked into this issue believe- but they could have other sources also, for instance they could come from outposts of a previous global civilization that survived the Great Flood and/or what our ancestors referred to as the Sidhe messing about.

Also a supposed "Alien Disclosure" might be part of an End Times deception.

O-kay

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Woahh.. wait, so you think that they might be demonic, too?

Did that honestly surprise you seriously?

I think it is safe to say that they are not all demonic but of these phenomena to my mind clearly definitely are. For instance "Grey Aliens" very much resemble "Lam" which was a demon that interacted with Aleister Crowley who was an Occultist who definitely was involved with the Intelligence Services of the UK State and was also named as an influence on them by various "Rockers". From non-Christian sources;

CINE-WEEN: Angels, UFOs, and Aleister Crowley: A Strange History

For many, Aleister Crowley is little more than a satanist. He was known in his own time as "the wickedest man in the world," and even identified himself as "the beast, 666." However, it's important to

cinepunx.com

Beyond the Beyond: Who is Lam? Eastern Sierra Now | Local News

In a ritual called the Amantra Working in 1917, Crowley claimed to have contacted a mysterious entity named Lam who seems to resemble the modern archetype of

www.easternsierranow.com

 

[AN2]

Did that honestly surprise you seriously?

I think it is safe to say that they are not all demonic but of these phenomena to my mind clearly definitely are. For instance "Grey Aliens" very much resemble "Lam" which was a demon that interacted with Aleister Crowley who was an Occultist who definitely was involved with the Intelligence Services of the UK State and was also named as an influence on them by various "Rockers". From non-Christian sources;

CINE-WEEN: Angels, UFOs, and Aleister Crowley: A Strange History

For many, Aleister Crowley is little more than a satanist. He was known in his own time as "the wickedest man in the world," and even identified himself as "the beast, 666." However, it's important to

cinepunx.com

Beyond the Beyond: Who is Lam? Eastern Sierra Now | Local News

In a ritual called the Amantra Working in 1917, Crowley claimed to have contacted a mysterious entity named Lam who seems to resemble the modern archetype of

www.easternsierranow.com

Yes, you surprised me a bit when you went from seemingly knowing what a UFO is and not thinking that they come from out of this planetary system to.. A few moments later.. saying that they're demonic!

I mean, are demons not out of this planetary system??

 

[AN2]

Yes the Occultists are doing this, you saw the tweet on the other thread with all the great modern UFO guys in the most openly Occultic institution in the US.

You are right in that the 'first encounter' hasn't happened yet, but it soon will. This year or early the next.

Gambling man are ya, scolairebocht?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Yes, you surprised me a bit when you went from seemingly knowing what a UFO is and not thinking that they come from out of this planetary system to.. A few moments later.. saying that they're demonic!

I mean, are demons not out of this planetary system??

Clearly plenty of Fallen Angels/Demons inhabit the Earth with us according to the New Testament and the teachings of the Saints.

 

[AN2]

Clearly plenty of Fallen Angels/Demons inhabit the Earth with us according to the New Testament and the teachings of the Saints.

So are the UFOs demons themselves?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

So are the UFOs demons themselves?

Demons can take on various appearances to human consciousnesses- so yes basically. However I do not believe that all UFOs are demonic.

 

[Anderson]

There is also a logic of thought that Aliens/UFOs are either interdimensional beings from an alternative Earth, or they have always been here and evolved from a different species.

 

[AN2]

There is also a logic of thought that Aliens/UFOs are either interdimensional beings from an alternative Earth,

Aliens slash UFOs? They're not exactly the same thing though, are they? As I said to @scolairebocht earlier today -

Post in thread 'Allegations of Satanic Ritual Abuse in County Meath' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.co...ritual-abuse-in-county-meath.1168/post-127985

or they have always been here and evolved from a different species.

That's pretty whacky. Did they build the pyramids?

 

[SwordOfStZip]

There is also a logic of thought that Aliens/UFOs are either interdimensional beings from an alternative Earth, or they have always been here and evolved from a different species.

The phenomena of flying saucers, "alien abductions", etc really became a thing following the nuclear weapons blasts in Japan and there is a theory that those caused a rip so to speak in the dimensional walls which allowed the beings involved to enter our plane of existence more easily.

 

[AN2]

The phenomena of flying saucers, "alien abductions", etc really became a thing following the nuclear weapons blasts in Japan and there is a theory that those caused a rip so to speak in the dimensional walls which allowed the beings involved to enter our plane of existence more easily.

When I was young I was friends with this lad, who I didn't think was particularly bright, but he had a very observational sense of humour.

I was just reminded of this reading your post. It's from the movie Raising Arizona (which I think is a bit of a classic), it's the two-step by Cage that he made funny, it was like the original - WTF?!


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1zJCftRSHvM

 

[Mad as Fish]

Did that honestly surprise you seriously?

I think it is safe to say that they are not all demonic but of these phenomena to my mind clearly definitely are. For instance "Grey Aliens" very much resemble "Lam" which was a demon that interacted with Aleister Crowley who was an Occultist who definitely was involved with the Intelligence Services of the UK State and was also named as an influence on them by various "Rockers". From non-Christian sources;

CINE-WEEN: Angels, UFOs, and Aleister Crowley: A Strange History

For many, Aleister Crowley is little more than a satanist. He was known in his own time as "the wickedest man in the world," and even identified himself as "the beast, 666." However, it's important to

cinepunx.com

Beyond the Beyond: Who is Lam? Eastern Sierra Now | Local News

In a ritual called the Amantra Working in 1917, Crowley claimed to have contacted a mysterious entity named Lam who seems to resemble the modern archetype of

www.easternsierranow.com

Just on the idea that UFO's are the modern manifestation of angels it is notable that there are reported interactions between them and modern technology such as radar. This woud suggest that they have mass and are more than just a vision.

 

[Anderson]

Aliens slash UFOs? They're not exactly the same thing though, are they? As I said to @scolairebocht earlier today -

Post in thread 'Allegations of Satanic Ritual Abuse in County Meath' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.co...ritual-abuse-in-county-meath.1168/post-127985


That's pretty whacky. Did they build the pyramids?

Some UFOs could be a lifeform that can fly.

As far as our history goes, imagine this, a 30 CM ruler represents the total history of the Earth. Our current human history timeline probably measures about 1mm on that ruler.


View: https://youtu.be/lASPp9stEYA

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Just on the idea that UFO's are the modern manifestation of angels it is notable that there are reported interactions between them and modern technology such as radar. This woud suggest that they have mass and are more than just a vision.

Angels in Bible clearly at least under certain circumstances do have mass similar to ours hence the whole of "entertaining Angels unaware" (Hebrews 13:2) . Though the mass of UFOs sometimes clearly does not behave like the mass that we are used to and hence you have the speculations of people like Jacques Vallee. They can take on appearances without being just illusions with no mass, etc to them like holograms.

 

[Anderson]

Just on the Pyramids, I came across this article today!

Ancient pyramids were giant 'power plants' after jaw-dropping discovery from scientists​

The Great Pyramid of Giza might not have been a pharaoh's tomb but instead a giant power plant, it has been revealed.

Boffins have figured out, by sending electromagnetic waves into the pyramid, energy is collected in certain parts, such as the famous King's Tomb and Queen's Tomb. It is thought that the great wonder of the world was designed and built in such a way that it could purposely store energy.

MSN

View: https://x.com/dailystar/status/1893057552641929429

 

[scolairebocht]

We are going to get all of this now, all of the traditional Occult history and, as time goes on, religion, will be thrown at us via the alien hoax. I wouldn't be surprised if Atlantis puts in an appearance.

And it will indeed have a multidimensional aspect, meaning: they will show videos with aliens appearing to the left and then appearing to the right, miles and miles away, in the blink of an eye. So they will say that cannot be some normal human propulsion, it has to be the multiverse (which they already talk about in physics) in other words we are only in one visible universe that we know, but there are supposed to be others, and these aliens are just blinking in and out of our universe.

Then you explain the 'mysteries' of the Christian and other religions that way. Marian apparitions they will now say happened (having before laughed at the visionaries) but these are just manifestations of aliens, as is the original lifeform itself, etc etc.

 

[AN2]

Some UFOs could be a lifeform that can fly.

As far as our history goes, imagine this, a 30 CM ruler represents the total history of the Earth. Our current human history timeline probably measures about 1mm on that ruler.

I take it you're not a young Earth creationist then

Dinosaurs yes or no?

View: https://youtu.be/lASPp9stEYA

Well, if we're talking about an advanced civilisation that evolved previously on this planet.. Why would they still be here skulking in the shadows?

 

[AN2]

The phenomena of flying saucers, "alien abductions", etc really became a thing following the nuclear weapons blasts in Japan and there is a theory that those caused a rip so to speak in the dimensional walls which allowed the beings involved to enter our plane of existence more easily.

Does this theory by the way involve the loss of (human) life?

I mean, it's not like the first atomic bomb detonation occurred in Japan. They made a movie about it recently (Oppenheimer)


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2dMeI-pyKPM

 

[SwordOfStZip]

Well, if we're talking about an advanced civilisation that evolved previously on this planet.. Why would they still be here skulking in the shadows?

Because God checked it's pride as we learn about it with presentation about the Tower of Babel in the Bible? That Civilizations rise and fall like other things in the nature of this plane of existence? The idea of linear progress is not some universal truth that humanity in general has held to.

 

[AN2]

Because God checked it's pride as we learn about it with presentation about the Tower of Babel in the Bible?

If you're asking me then I take it that it's a rhetorical question

That Civilizations rise and fall like other things in the nature of this plane of existence? The idea of linear progress is not some universal truth that humanity in general has held to.

Well, you're still talking about human civilisations tho, right?

I think human civilisation has linearly progressed. People like to talk about how amazing the ancient Egyptians were but pffft! They couldn't even fly

 

[Anderson]

I take it you're not a young Earth creationist then

Dinosaurs yes or no?


Well, if we're talking about an advanced civilisation that evolved previously on this planet.. Why would they still be here skulking in the shadows?

Depends on how or where they developed.

We know more about space than we do about our oceans.

We also don't know what our governments know, maybe they are fully aware of the truth if there is any truth.

 

[Mad as Fish]

The phenomena of flying saucers, "alien abductions", etc really became a thing following the nuclear weapons blasts in Japan and there is a theory that those caused a rip so to speak in the dimensional walls which allowed the beings involved to enter our plane of existence more easily.

They were but two of the many hundreds of nuclear explosions that we are responsible for. Are these claims being made of the tests that have been done underground or those in the atmosphere by the Russians?

 

[AN2]

They were but two of the many hundreds of nuclear explosions that we are responsible for. Are these claims being made of the tests that have been done underground or those in the atmosphere by the Russians?

And of course the explosions since have been much more powerful than the bombs dropped on Japan. From the A bomb to the H bomb..

Thermonuclear weapon - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You don't want to get in the way of that baby

 

[SwordOfStZip]

They were but two of the many hundreds of nuclear explosions that we are responsible for. Are these claims being made of the tests that have been done underground or those in the atmosphere by the Russians?

Forgive...It was the Trinity Site test in New Mexico which was supposed to have taken place on a geographical site important to Freemasons, etc.

 

[AN2]

Forgive...It was the Trinity Site test in New Mexico which was supposed to have taken place on a geographical site important to Freemasons, etc.

You've got Freemasons on the brain

Google Search

 

[SwordOfStZip]

You've got Freemasons on the brain

Google Search

For those interested the second essay in the below deals with the Freemasonic aspects of the Trinity test;

Mr. Downard : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

This short compilation of the writings of James Shelby Downard is a project I started in late 2020, after discovering that the man wrote much more than the...

archive.org

 

[céline]

I don't believe in UFOs.

 

[AN2]

I don't believe in UFOs.

Why not, what's not to believe?

 

[céline]

Why not, what's not to believe?

That there are intelligent extraterrestrials in contact with our planet.

 

[AN2]

That there are intelligent extraterrestrials in contact with our planet.

But UFOs aren't confirmation of intelligent extraterrestrials being in contact with our planet

Do you believe in intelligent extraterrestrials ?

 

[céline]

But UFOs aren't confirmation of intelligent extraterrestrials being in contact with our planet

Do you believe in intelligent extraterrestrials ?

I don't believe in them either, no.

 

[AN2]

I don't believe in them either, no.

Why not?

 

[céline]

Why not?

They would already have made contact with us.

 

[AN2]

They would already have made contact with us.

We're intelligent life, no? How would we have made contact with another advanced civilisation in a galaxy far, far away? Assuming that's the nearest one