Does Nationalism Need National Socialism?

[AN2]

QOTD:

What's the difference between a NS dictatorship and post WW2 liberal democracy?

 

[AN2]

 

[AN2]

PS. prime minister's, Keef

He says "try and" as well. Chap should really learn to write (he's an author ffs)

 

[AN2]

QOTD:

What's the difference between a NS dictatorship and post WW2 liberal democracy?

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I thought @Hermit might get this one..

My answer to QOTD (Question Of The Day) is that the NS dictatorship didn't mean harm to its own people, unlike our "liberal democracy"

 

[AN2]

A FLARE-UP has occurred between Joel Davis and Alec Cave on Telegram concerning a subject that posters might be interested in (Cave's rhetoric is reminiscent of @PlunkettsGhost)

Joel Davis is someone who should be known from this thread, Alec Cave left Patriotic Alternative (Collett's organisation) and is now a spokesperson for the Homeland Party, which has been dubbed the "Homoland Party" because of recent appointments

I'll include the text of Joel's posts as he's obviously shadowbanned on Telegram

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View: https://t.me/AlecCave/3590


View: https://t.me/joeldavis_x/1754

This is the Homoland Party's last remaining public face who isn't overweight or homosexual, and he's decided to go with the line that the regime is conflating ethnonationalism with White Nationalism in order to make ethnonationalists seem like "racists" ....huh?

So let me get this straight - the English people aren't racially defined, according to "ethnonationalism"? This is insane. The concept of an ethnicity is rooted in the concept of shared ancestry, and therefore in a particular racial stock. These people are so afraid of being called "racist" they're now abandoning biological reality and with it, nationalism as a coherent concept itself.

Utterly pathetic.

This is why you don't let cucks run nationalist organisations, this is why you need to be lead by uncompromising true believers.


View: https://t.me/AlecCave/3591


View: https://t.me/joeldavis_x/1755

Now this guy is backtracking while accusing me of "incoherence" - dude you just said ethnonationalism is "distorted" by "injecting biological race into the mix", but now you've conceded that British people are of a particular race. Which is it?

Also how is it "false" that ethnonationalism is "racist" exactly? Ethnonationalism is an ideology which advocates for politically separating people from one another on the basis of their ethnicity. Being that ethnic groups have a racial foundation, this makes it "racist".

You can say you aren't motivated by hatred for other groups, and therefore you aren't "racist" in that sense. But a White Nationalist could say the same thing. The word "racism" shouldn't imply anything about hatred anyway, you shouldn't concede that to the enemy.

And I never reduced the English to a crude biological taxonomy, but one can't metaphysically differentiate the non-biological things which constitute their ethnic character (language, culture, history) from the racial stock which is it's ancestral foundation. The English are what they are because they are what they are. It's in the blood. If you don't believe that, you aren't a Nationalist, as you see culture as something which can be inorganically distinguished from ancestry.

Also I never stated opposition to ethnonationalism. I want England to stay English, Scotland to stay Scottish and Wales to stay Welsh. Britain is my ancestral homeland, I feel passionate about this. But there is obviously a massive difference between immigrants who are say Irish or Danish or German immigrating to Britain and fucking Blacks and Indians - one set of immigrants are so racially similar they can be absorbed without changing Britain's racial character, the other groups can't. This is obvious and if you refuse to acknowledge it you're lying.

But of course that isn't to say I think you should embrace the ideology of White Nationalism, you should be ethnonationalist. You should also however not put out incoherent cucked rhetoric on race out of fear of enemy rhetoric. The British people are being attacked because of their race on the basis of race. It's utterly cretinous to try and weasel around that so you can convince someone you're "not a racist" - it's also a pointless exercise, no one who cares about the label "racist" will support an ethnonationalist political party anyway. Get your head out of your arse.

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Any thoughts? Are you a Joel or Alec guy or girl, neither, a bit of both?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

^^
TLDR

 

[AN2]

A FLARE-UP has occurred between Joel Davis and Alec Cave on Telegram concerning a subject that posters might be interested in (Cave's rhetoric is reminiscent of @PlunkettsGhost)

Joel Davis is someone who should be known from this thread, Alec Cave left Patriotic Alternative (Collett's organisation) and is now a spokesperson for the Homeland Party, which has been dubbed the "Homoland Party" because of recent appointments

I'll include the text of Joel's posts as he's obviously shadowbanned on Telegram

<begins>


View: https://t.me/AlecCave/3590


View: https://t.me/joeldavis_x/1754

This is the Homoland Party's last remaining public face who isn't overweight or homosexual, and he's decided to go with the line that the regime is conflating ethnonationalism with White Nationalism in order to make ethnonationalists seem like "racists" ....huh?

So let me get this straight - the English people aren't racially defined, according to "ethnonationalism"? This is insane. The concept of an ethnicity is rooted in the concept of shared ancestry, and therefore in a particular racial stock. These people are so afraid of being called "racist" they're now abandoning biological reality and with it, nationalism as a coherent concept itself.

Utterly pathetic.

This is why you don't let cucks run nationalist organisations, this is why you need to be lead by uncompromising true believers.


View: https://t.me/AlecCave/3591


View: https://t.me/joeldavis_x/1755

Now this guy is backtracking while accusing me of "incoherence" - dude you just said ethnonationalism is "distorted" by "injecting biological race into the mix", but now you've conceded that British people are of a particular race. Which is it?

Also how is it "false" that ethnonationalism is "racist" exactly? Ethnonationalism is an ideology which advocates for politically separating people from one another on the basis of their ethnicity. Being that ethnic groups have a racial foundation, this makes it "racist".

You can say you aren't motivated by hatred for other groups, and therefore you aren't "racist" in that sense. But a White Nationalist could say the same thing. The word "racism" shouldn't imply anything about hatred anyway, you shouldn't concede that to the enemy.

And I never reduced the English to a crude biological taxonomy, but one can't metaphysically differentiate the non-biological things which constitute their ethnic character (language, culture, history) from the racial stock which is it's ancestral foundation. The English are what they are because they are what they are. It's in the blood. If you don't believe that, you aren't a Nationalist, as you see culture as something which can be inorganically distinguished from ancestry.

Also I never stated opposition to ethnonationalism. I want England to stay English, Scotland to stay Scottish and Wales to stay Welsh. Britain is my ancestral homeland, I feel passionate about this. But there is obviously a massive difference between immigrants who are say Irish or Danish or German immigrating to Britain and fucking Blacks and Indians - one set of immigrants are so racially similar they can be absorbed without changing Britain's racial character, the other groups can't. This is obvious and if you refuse to acknowledge it you're lying.

But of course that isn't to say I think you should embrace the ideology of White Nationalism, you should be ethnonationalist. You should also however not put out incoherent cucked rhetoric on race out of fear of enemy rhetoric. The British people are being attacked because of their race on the basis of race. It's utterly cretinous to try and weasel around that so you can convince someone you're "not a racist" - it's also a pointless exercise, no one who cares about the label "racist" will support an ethnonationalist political party anyway. Get your head out of your arse.

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Any thoughts? Are you a Joel or Alec guy or girl, neither, a bit of both?

Seconds out!...

Cave has responded with a double-header -


View: https://t.me/AlecCave/3593


View: https://t.me/AlecCave/3594

No reply from Joel yet but I'd imagine he will

 

[AN2]

Seconds out!...

Cave has responded with a double-header -


View: https://t.me/AlecCave/3593

View: https://t.me/AlecCave/3594

No reply from Joel yet but I'd imagine he will

Btw, I really hate stuff like this -

"Britain is my ancestral homeland, I feel passionate about this."

No, Britain is your ancestors' homeland, (nitpick)

it is not your homeland. (full strawman)

That's the kind of stupid shit that I'd expect from someone who can't read, like @Tiger

 

[AN2]

@Mods

Wolf hasn't made a single contribution to this thread besides stalk-spamming-abuse and he never will

Can you just ban him please

 

[AN2]

Wolf is deleting his own posts again

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Seconds out!...Cave has responded with a double-header -

How fukking boring. Did you actually read all that?

 

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[The Echo Chamber Destroyer.]

"Are you the fella that was kicking the dogs?"


View: https://twitter.com/MarkAgitprop/status/1948892110255702322

 

[AN2]

"Are you the fella that was kicking the dogs?"


View: https://twitter.com/MarkAgitprop/status/1948892110255702322

Why does that communist geebag have an Irish flag in his bio? He hates Ireland and the Irish

 

[clarke-connolly]

"Are you the fella that was kicking the dogs?"


View: https://twitter.com/MarkAgitprop/status/1948892110255702322

A lot of candidates for the Banjo Playing in the Film ( Deliverance ) there ! ! !

 

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A lot of candidates for the Banjo Playing in the Film ( Deliverance ) there ! ! !

 

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[clarke-connolly]

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Some truth in that !

Maybe even a lot of truth in that, for the last 40 years anyway !

 

[AN2]

Some truth in that !

Maybe even a lot of truth in that, for the last 40 years anyway !

I think anyone (white) who thinks of themself as a nationalist and also invokes Hitler/Muh Nazis - in any context - as the epitome of human evil is a cretin

 

[clarke-connolly]

Hitler was a Loser = = Don't waste your time on Losers !

 

[AN2]

Hitler was a Loser = = Don't waste your time on Losers !

I'm not wasting my time on losers

If you don't understand that there is no bigger stick to beat white nationalism, the nationalism of white people, than Hitler/Nazis/Holocaust then what can I say

 

[clarke-connolly]

I'm not wasting my time on losers

If you don't understand that there is no bigger stick to beat white nationalism, the nationalism of white people, than Hitler/Nazis/Holocaust then what can I say

Like I say = = Don't waste your time on Losers !

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

You're wasting your time on one there Clarke. The guy's a fucking autist.

 

[AN2]

Like I say = = Don't waste your time on Losers !

And I told you that I amn't doing that, along with an actual substantive point (that you didn't address) why don't you want to think?

 

[clarke-connolly]

Nationalists should be following a Loser like Hitler = = We want Winners ! ! !

 

[AN2]

Nationalists should be following a Loser like Hitler = = We want Winners ! ! !

What do you think of my presupposition that there is no greater stick (other than the accusation of racism) with which to beat white nationalism, the nationalism of white people? And therefore, anyone who considers themself a nationalist and who invokes Hitler/Nazis as the epitome of human evil is a cretin?

 

[clarke-connolly]

What do you think of my presupposition that there is no greater stick (other than the accusation of racism) with which to beat white nationalism, the nationalism of white people? And therefore, anyone who considers themself a nationalist and who invokes Hitler/Nazis as the epitome of human evil is a cretin?

You are wasting far too much time on, The Loser, Hitler.

Move on from Losers.

 

[clarke-connolly]

Nationalists should be following a Loser like Hitler = = We want Winners ! ! !

This post needs a NOT after should = = Obviously.

 

[AN2]

You are wasting far too much time on, The Loser, Hitler.

Move on from Losers.

You don't seem to be interested in talking about this topic

Perhaps you'd prefer this -

 

[clarke-connolly]

You don't seem to be interested in talking about this topic

Perhaps you'd prefer this -

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Now, You're speaking my language ! !

 

[AN2]

View: https://t.me/odeandfrens/51298

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Perhaps you'd prefer this -

Ugly woke Tart

 

[AN2]

Did I just post a picture of a girl with big tits?

Observance is considered a high IQ trait

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

At least she wasn't a 12 year old I suppose.

 

[AN2]

At least she wasn't a 12 year old I suppose.

Are you referring to your previous lie?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I beg your pardon?

 

[AN2]

I beg your pardon?

You said that a poster here (obviously implying that it was me) said that they fancied 12-year-olds, a blatant lie

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

I implied nothing about you. As per JPC's new rules posters are not allowed call other posters paedos.

I'm just glad it was an adult female that was posted rather than a half naked child.

 

[AN2]

I implied nothing about you.

Sure you did

As per JPC's new rules posters are not allowed call other posters paedos.

I'm just glad it was an adult female that was posted rather than a half naked child.

You said that a poster here said that they fancy 12-year-olds

Your post was deleted presumably by @jpc but you can still see it quoted here -

Post in thread 'US Politics.' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/us-politics.197/post-140600

You obviously were implying that it was me (as you're doing again) and you're a liar either way

 

[AN2]

@Mods @jpc @Declan

I know request a thread ban for the liar/slanderer and (at least) a 7-day site ban