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Man gets pay-out after Asda delivery driver's 'degrading' comment

A man has been given a pay-out after he claimed a delivery driver 'degraded' him. Necati Ayhan ordered his shopping to be delivered at his home on October 31.

But the 22-year-old said when the delivery arrived, the driver asked for his help in carrying the shopping up the stairs and Necati explained to the driver that due to being disabled, he was unable to do so, the reports.

Necati, who has fibromyalgia, autism, and other medical conditions, said he heard the delivery driver say "disabled my a**e", before returning to the van to get more of the order. In a voice recording heard by the ECHO, Necati questions the delivery driver on why he said the comment, to which the driver replies: "You don’t look disabled to me."

 
Why were my posts deleted?
Because they were clearly of a trolling nature I presume
I never said any of the things you've said there. Not one.

What I said was, why do you never mention the great Protestant patriot leaders Ireland has had? We know why. Because you're a Catholic bigot.

The RC church was an enemy to Irish nationalism for a large part.

Despite that all you want, like Collins said, is a Catholic provence. Well, unfortunately that's gone, never to return old boy.

You're just gonna have to deal with it ;)
What actually happened Myles, is a lot simpler than your attempted reframing. You mocked the traditional Irish greeting of “Happy St Stephen’s Day” and replaced it with the West Brit import “Happy Boxing Day”, a term rooted in Anglican England were the servants (many of whom where Irish) boxed the gifts of the rich ascendency classes.

Then, as if on cue, you posted a picture of the familiar talisman of modern revisionism: Wolfe Tone. One of a tiny amount dissenting Protestant 'heroes'. Which you presumably did as a means to erase centuries of dispossession and massacres with his shiny Enlightenment ideals. Tone was an outlier who openly defied his own class, and you're trying to make him stand in for all of Protestant history in Ireland. That’s like holding up a single snowflake and claiming the North Pole is mild and sunny. Elevating one anomalous figure does nothing to redeem the systematic oppression that defined his class.

The broader historical record is unambiguous. Protestantism in Ireland arrived, not as a spiritual reformation but as an instrument of state violence. The Church of England itself was born not of theology but of Henry VIII’s inability to keep his penis in his own trousers, and it was imposed on a people who overwhelmingly rejected it.

Cromwell’s campaign in Ireland illustrates this perfectly. At Drogheda in 1649, after the town was breached, Cromwell ordered “no quarter”, executing the garrison and slaughtering civilians indiscriminately. Men, women, and children were killed in the streets and even inside churches, while Catholic clergy were hunted down and executed. Cromwell himself justified the massacre as a “righteous judgment of God.” This was not an aberration but a message: terror as policy. What followed was land confiscation, forced displacement, Penal Laws, and enforced famine to reduce Irelands population from millions to near ruin. Pretending that one or two dissenting Protestants like Wolfe Tone offset this devastation is absurd.

Your failure to grasp the Catholic position stems from ignorance of what survival actually meant. During the Penal era, Catholicism was illegal. Bishops were hunted, priests executed or exiled, education banned, land ownership dismantled, and political participation criminalised. The Church’s cautious posture was not betrayal of nationalism but protection of a traumatised people living under threat of death, dispossession, or starvation. Are you familiar with 'Mass Rocks' and the fact that Catholics risked death by simply attending mass. Catholic Ireland did not “oppose” the nation; it was the nation; preserving faith, culture, and memory underground while imperial structures tried to erase them. A man who does not understand that cannot understand Ireland, Catholicism, or history at all.

Myles, you my friend are an anti-Catholic bigot with a shockingly bad understanding of Irish history.

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Because they were clearly of a trolling nature I presume

What actually happened Myles, is a lot simpler than your attempted reframing. You mocked the traditional Irish greeting of “Happy St Stephen’s Day” and replaced it with the West Brit import “Happy Boxing Day”, a term rooted in Anglican England were the servants (many of whom where Irish) boxed the gifts of the rich ascendency classes.

Then, as if on cue, you posted a picture of the familiar talisman of modern revisionism: Wolfe Tone. One of a tiny amount dissenting Protestant 'heroes'. Which you presumably did as a means to erase centuries of dispossession and massacres with his shiny Enlightenment ideals. Tone was an outlier who openly defied his own class, and you're trying to make him stand in for all of Protestant history in Ireland.
You are being either deliberately ignorant or totally clueless.

Where did I ever defend Protestantism or say Tone stood for all Protestant history in Ireland?

I said there were many Protestant patriots, men to whom you never refer. But now that you have, you mock Tone with his "shiny Enlightenment ideas" and all the other multitude (not tiny by any stretch) of similar men (putting "heroes" in inverted commas suggesting they're not......you wouldn't be fit to tie up their shoelaces) shows exactly the kind of anti-Ireland religious bigot you are.

The broader historical record is unambiguous. Protestantism in Ireland arrived, not as a spiritual reformation but as an instrument of state violence. The Church of England itself was born not of theology but of Henry VIII’s inability to keep his penis in his own trousers, and it was imposed on a people who overwhelmingly rejected it.

Cromwell’s campaign in Ireland illustrates this perfectly. At Drogheda in 1649, after the town was breached, Cromwell ordered “no quarter”, executing the garrison and slaughtering civilians indiscriminately. Men, women, and children were killed in the streets and even inside churches, while Catholic clergy were hunted down and executed. Cromwell himself justified the massacre as a “righteous judgment of God.” This was not an aberration but a message: terror as policy. What followed was land confiscation, forced displacement, Penal Laws, and enforced famine to reduce Irelands population from millions to near ruin. Pretending that one or two dissenting Protestants like Wolfe Tone offset this devastation is absurd.
Where did I say otherwise???

I never said anything against what you just said you nutter!

I merely pointed out that it wasn't just Catholics who were Irish patriots. There were many great Protestant leaders who took up the cause of freedom.

You disparage these great Sons of Érin simply because they're not Catholics. "Heroes" he says disdainfully. You're a complete and utter wretch.

Your failure to grasp the Catholic position stems from ignorance of what survival actually meant. During the Penal era, Catholicism was illegal. Bishops were hunted, priests executed or exiled, education banned, land ownership dismantled, and political participation criminalised. The Church’s cautious posture was not betrayal of nationalism but protection of a traumatised people living under threat of death, dispossession, or starvation. Are you familiar with 'Mass Rocks' and the fact that Catholics risked death by simply attending mass.
Where did I say otherwise?????

Catholic Ireland did not “oppose” the nation; it was the nation; preserving faith, culture, and memory underground while imperial structures tried to erase them. A man who does not understand that cannot understand Ireland, Catholicism, or history at all.
The Catholic people yes. The Church, no. The Church did everything and anything it could to stop independence movements. From denouncements from the pulpit, informing the British authorities and excommunication.

Myles, you my friend are an anti-Catholic bigot with a shockingly bad understanding of Irish history.
No, I'm a patriot with a very good understanding of Irish history. You just cannot take the part of history that shames the anti-Irish actions of the RC Church.
 
Myles O'Reilly
"The Catholic people yes. The Church, no. The Church did everything and anything it could to stop independence movements. From denouncements from the pulpit, informing the British authorities and excommunication."

Are you sure thats the case? The truth is we all live in a Communist state which pumps out lies against the Catholic Church every other day, and so anyway here are a few texts to mull over.

This is an 1831 letter from the Parish Priest of Castlepollard Co. Westmeath, who is replying to a government official asking him to assist in compiling the census, after there was many killed in a tithe protest in the town:

"Sir
I have been favoured with two copies of your circular on the census of the population. I suppose the Parish Priest of Newtownbarry [Co. Wexford, where the police had killed 14 tithe protesters in 1831] received one or two more. I would wish to know what the obligation the priests of Ireland owe either to you or the Government, that we should assist you’re traveling servants and look over their work. If you want clerical bailiffs, call on those whom you pay, and who have nothing else to do. With respect to us, we have neither time nor inclination to give you gratuitous services, no more than we should be inclined to disgrace ourselves by receiving your pay. You want the census of my parish. All the information I can give you is, that its population was reduced, on the last shooting day, eleven in number, and that we have laws which forbid me to characterize that deed as it deserves. The Government, which is supported at enormous expense for the purpose, or under the pretence (which you know is the same thing) of protecting each man’s rights inviolable, calls on me to help to number the rest of my flock, without alluding in the least degree, to the eleven whom I have lost.

Does this government think I could so soon forget them, or that I can ever forget them? or that from my memory can be effaced the impression which their pallid countenances, distorted by expiring agonies, their stiffened limbs, their bodies smarting with the tepid current that gushed from their hearts, has stamped on my mind? Sir, send your Orange messengers and enumerators to those to whom they are welcome. But let them not be annoying my little place with their unwanted presence. I am too much affected by the loss of my parishioners, whom I regard more than I do you, or any one belonging to or connected with the Irish Government, to turn my attention to this display, that is so worthy of the men who take the adorers of Jupiter, Mars and Pluto, for their models in perhaps more instances than the Census.

Having no design to offer you any personal disrespect, but merely wishing to reply to your official letter.
I have the honour to remain, Sir,
Your obedient servant,
J Burke, P.P., Castlepollard"

This is an 1871 pastoral letter by the Bishop of Meath:

“Dearly beloved, in the very first year of our ministry, as a missionary priest in this diocese, we were an eye-witness of a cruel and inhuman eviction, which even still makes our heart bleed as often as we allow ourselves to think of it. Seven hundred human beings were driven from their homes in one day, and set adrift on the world, to gratify the caprice of one who, before God and man, probably deserved less consideration than the last and least of them. And we remember well that there was not a single shilling of rent due on the estate at the time, except by one man; and the character and acts of that man made it perfectly clear that the agent and himself quite understood each other.

The Crowbar Brigade, employed on the occasion to extinguish the hearths and demolish the homes of honest, industrious men, worked away with a will at their awful calling until evening. At length an incident occurred that varied the monotony of the grim, ghastly ruin which they were spreading all around. They stopped suddenly, and recoiled panic stricken with terror from two dwellings which they were directed to destroy with the rest. They had just learned that a frightful typhus fever held those houses in its grasp, and had already brought pestilence and death to their inmates. They, therefore supplicated the agent to spare these houses a little longer; but the agent was inexorable, and insisted that the houses should come down. The ingenuity with which he extricated himself from the difficulties of the situation was characteristic alike of the heartlessness of the man and of the cruel necessities of the works in which he was engaged. He ordered a large winnowing sheet to be secured over the beds in which the fever victims lay - fortunately they happened to be perfectly delirious at the time - and then directed the houses to be unroofed cautiously and slowly, because he said, “he very much disliked the bother and discomfort of a coroner’s inquest”. I administered the last Sacrament of the Church to four of these fever victims next day; and, save the above-mentioned winnowing sheet, there was not a roof nearer to me than the canopy of heaven.

The horrid scenes I then witnessed I must remember all my life long. The wailing of women; the screams, the terror, the consternation of children; the speechless agony of honest, industrious men wrung tears of grief from all who saw them. I saw the officers and men of a large police force, who were obliged to attend on the occasion, cry like children at beholding the cruel sufferings of the very people whom they would be obliged to butcher had they offered the least resistance. The heavy rains that usually attend the autumnal equinoxes descended in cold, copious torrents, throughout the night, and at once revealed to these houseless sufferers the awful realities of their condition. I visited them next morning, and rode from place to place administering to them all the comfort and consolation I could. The appearance of men, women, and children, as they emerged from the ruins of their former homes - saturated with rain, blackened and besmeared with soot, shivering in every member, from cold and misery - presented positively the most appalling spectacle I ever looked at.

The landed proprietors, in a circle all around - and for many miles in every direction - warned their tenantry, with threats of the direct vengeance, against the humanity of extending to any of them the hospitality of a single night’s shelter. Many of these poor people were unable to emigrate with their families; while, at home, the hand of every man was thus raised against them. They were driven from the land on which Providence had placed them; and, in the state of society surrounding them every other walk of life was rigidly closed against them. What was the result? after battling in vain with privation and pestilence, they at least graduated from the workhouse to the tomb; and in little more than three years nearly a fourth of them lay quietly in their graves. The eviction, which I have thus described and of which I was an eye-witness, must not be considered an isolated exceptional event which could occur only in a remote locality, where public opinion could not reach and expose it. The fact is quite the reverse. Every county, barony, Poor Law Union, and indeed every parish in the diocese, is perfectly familiar with evictions that are oftentimes surrounded by circumstances, and distinguished by traits of darker and more distinguished atrocity.”
(Brian Nugent, An Creideamh, A Chronological Anthology of Traditional Catholic Writing (Oldcastle, 2009), p.368-9 and 387-8.)
 
Mr Bocht,

There were indeed many great individual Priests who tended their flock selflessly. I was more talking about the establishment Church, the hierarchy if you like.

Regarding the Tithe War, of course the Church would object to their adherents being forced at the point of a bayonet to pay a tax to another church entirely.

But could you call this Irish patriotism? Perhaps. But lets not pretend there was no self interest regarding the church in this situation.

If you want clerical bailiffs, call on those whom you pay, and who have nothing else to do.
To whom is Reverend Burke referring? Other Priests or Protestant Clergymen?

As for that particular Bishop of Meath, I've come across him before. A very impressive and conscientious man to say the least.

I have the honour to remain, Sir,
Your obedient servant,
J Burke, P.P., Castlepollard"
By the way Sir, did you see the way I signed off my message to JPC earlier? :D

Link: https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/the-nordie-jpc.1323/#post-152505
 
Of course a bishop is part of the hierarchy you condemn, but they suffered just as much, or more, from say the Penal Laws than the lay Catholics.

He could have been referring there to the lay people employed by the state, or possible to the Protestant clergy of the Church of Ireland, because thats the Established Church, kind of state Church, of the time.

There wasn't much of a vested interest element to this, just because the Established Church got tithes didn't mean that the Catholic Church was going to benefit if that was abolished. The Catholic Church, very unusually in the history of Churches across the world, has, in the main, never received a penny from the state in wages or Church upkeep or whatever, and didn't when tithes were abolished.
 
Of course a bishop is part of the hierarchy you condemn, but they suffered just as much, or more, from say the Penal Laws than the lay Catholics.
I'm not so sure they did but certainly by the end of the 1700's they disavowed any patriot movement they came across.

The truth is they feared the loss of control they had over their flock under the then prevailing circumstances.

He could have been referring there to the lay people employed by the state, or possible to the Protestant clergy of the Church of Ireland, because thats the Established Church, kind of state Church, of the time.
He said clerical so it couldn't have been lay people. Possibly COI clergy.

Did any Catholic Priests assist the Government unlike Reverend Burke? I would hope not.

There wasn't much of a vested interest element to this, just because the Established Church got tithes didn't mean that the Catholic Church was going to benefit if that was abolished.
Meh, I'm not sure.

Perhaps they were indeed protesting purely from a moral standpoint who knows.
 
You are being either deliberately ignorant or totally clueless.

Where did I ever defend Protestantism or say Tone stood for all Protestant history in Ireland?

I said there were many Protestant patriots, men to whom you never refer. But now that you have, you mock Tone with his "shiny Enlightenment ideas" and all the other multitude (not tiny by any stretch) of similar men (putting "heroes" in inverted commas suggesting they're not......you wouldn't be fit to tie up their shoelaces) shows exactly the kind of anti-Ireland religious bigot you are.


Where did I say otherwise???

I never said anything against what you just said you nutter!

I merely pointed out that it wasn't just Catholics who were Irish patriots. There were many great Protestant leaders who took up the cause of freedom.

You disparage these great Sons of Érin simply because they're not Catholics. "Heroes" he says disdainfully. You're a complete and utter wretch.


Where did I say otherwise?????


The Catholic people yes. The Church, no. The Church did everything and anything it could to stop independence movements. From denouncements from the pulpit, informing the British authorities and excommunication.


No, I'm a patriot with a very good understanding of Irish history. You just cannot take the part of history that shames the anti-Irish actions of the RC Church.
The only ‘nutter’ Myles is you. You think Protestants ‘saved’ Ireland. They did the opposite.

Myles, let’s get this straight first: I rarely even talk about Irish history in this context, so why I would be expected to routinely mention outlier Protestants like Wolfe Tone or Henry Grattan is anyone’s guess. It makes far more sense to speak to the overwhelming reality of Irish history; the brutal, lived experience of the Irish people under centuries of conquest, dispossession, and religious persecution.

Yet for some reason (that you're an anti-Catholic bigot) you keep acting as if pointing to one or two rebellious wealthy, privileged Protestants somehow cancels out the systematic oppression imposed by the Protestant Ascendancy. Wolfe Tone and his privileged Enlightenment circle were exceptions who opposed their own class; they do not erase Cromwell, the plantations, the Penal Laws, or the engineered 'famines'.

Your claim that the Catholic Church was “anti-nationalist” only makes sense if you ignore the reality of history and the basic fact that the Church was illegal (and underground) for large stretches of Irish history. Under the Penal Laws, Catholicism could not operate openly or freely. Bishops were hunted like animals, priests were executed, transported, or forced into hiding. The 'establishment' was the 'Church of Ireland' who busied itself confiscating and robbing Irish churches and cathedrals such as St. Patricks and Christ Church.

Catholic education was criminalised, and simply exercising the faith could mean death or ruin. Expecting a “normal, functioning Church” under those conditions is absurd. And yet, despite this, the Church resisted. The Catholic clergy in Ireland literally risked and gave their lives for faith and country.

Archbishop Oliver Plunkett, Primate of All Ireland, was executed in 1681 on fabricated treason charges. Bishops like Dermot O’Hurley, Conor O’Devany, and Terence Albert O’Brien were tortured or killed. Thousands of priests were executed during the Cromwellian period, and countless others died in prisons or exile. Later, during the Penal era, priests like Fr Nicholas Sheehy were framed and hanged. This is not the record of an institution collaborating with power; it is the record of an institution being deliberately dismantled because it embodied Irish identity. It was the Protestant clergy collaborating with the power of the day.

Irish patriotism was not an abstract Enlightenment hobby enjoyed by a small Protestant elite with property, education, and legal protection. It was lived, bleeding, and endured by the Catholic majority, whose faith, language, and culture survived precisely because the Church was forced underground and preserved them under constant threat of death, confiscation, and exile. To dismiss that reality while elevating a handful of Protestant dissenters is to invert history. You can wave your list of “heroes” all you like, but history is not sentimental and it is not obliged to flatter modern narratives. Ireland survived because Catholic bishops, priests, and people paid for that survival with their blood.
 
The only ‘nutter’ Myles is you. You think Protestants ‘saved’ Ireland. They did the opposite.
I never said they did!

You keep acting as if pointing to one or two rebellious wealthy, privileged Protestants somehow cancels out the systematic oppression imposed by the Protestant Ascendancy.
I never said they did!

(And there were not one or two, there were many. Thousands of Presbyterians gave their lives in Ulster in 1798 alone.)

Wolfe Tone and his privileged Enlightenment circle were exceptions who opposed their own class; they do not erase Cromwell, the plantations, the Penal Laws, or the engineered 'famines'.
I never said they did!

(Privileged? His Da was a coach builder FFS)

Your claim that the Catholic Church was “anti-nationalist” only makes sense if you ignore the reality of history and the basic fact that the Church was illegal (and underground) for large stretches of Irish history. Under the Penal Laws, Catholicism could not operate openly or freely. Bishops were hunted like animals, priests were executed, transported, or forced into hiding. The 'establishment' was the 'Church of Ireland' who busied itself confiscating and robbing Irish churches and cathedrals such as St. Patricks and Christ Church.
Catholic education was criminalised, and simply exercising the faith could mean death or ruin. Expecting a “normal, functioning Church” under those conditions is absurd. And yet, despite this, the Church resisted. The Catholic clergy in Ireland literally risked and gave their lives for faith and country. Archbishop Oliver Plunkett, Primate of All Ireland, was executed in 1681 on fabricated treason charges. Bishops like Dermot O’Hurley, Conor O’Devany, and Terence Albert O’Brien were tortured or killed.
You're going back to the Reformation and the wars of the 1600's. I'm talking about subsequently from mid-late 1700's to the formation of this State.

Once the British threw them a few crumbs from the table they were content to turn on the nationalist movement. Just look how they destroyed the great Parnell for example.

Thousands of priests were executed during the Cromwellian period, and countless others died in prisons or exile. Later, during the Penal era, priests like Fr Nicholas Sheehy were framed and hanged. This is not the record of an institution collaborating with power; it is the record of an institution being deliberately dismantled because it embodied Irish identity. It was the Protestant clergy collaborating with the power of the day.
Not sure about thousands but you are correct here. However when there were reforms of the Penal Laws and Maynooth college was built etc they turned on people wanting independence.

Irish patriotism was not an abstract Enlightenment hobby enjoyed by a small Protestant elite with property, education, and legal protection.
I don't know why you keep on about the Enlightenment.

To talk about those men who sacrificed everything including their lives for their Country as if they were engaging in a mere hobby is disgraceful.

There was no more legal protection for Protestant rebels than Catholic ones. It was the noose for all of them.
It was lived, bleeding, and endured by the Catholic majority, whose faith, language, and culture survived precisely because the Church was forced underground and preserved them under constant threat of death, confiscation, and exile.
You're talking about a different time period.

To dismiss that reality while elevating a handful of Protestant dissenters is to invert history.
I never did said nor did such a thing. I don't know why you keep saying I've dismissed all of that.

You can wave your list of “heroes” all you like,
Disgusting bigot

but history is not sentimental and it is not obliged to flatter modern narratives. Ireland survived because Catholic bishops, priests, and people paid for that survival with their blood.
She did until the Church rejected Republicans and turned on Nationalists.

And she also survived due to the sacrifice of many Protestant leaders of revolts and rebellions.

You are angry because you cannot write them out of history Sir.
 
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I never said they did!


I never said they did!

(And there were not one or two, there were many. Thousands of Presbyterians gave their lives in Ulster in 1798 alone.)


I never said they did!

(Privileged? His Da was a coach builder FFS)


You're going back to the Reformation and the wars of the 1600's. I'm talking about subsequently from mid-late 1700's to the formation of this State.

Once the British threw them a few crumbs from the table they were content to turn on the nationalist movement. Just look how they destroyed the great Parnell for example.


Not sure about thousands but you are correct here. However when there were reforms of the Penal Laws and Maynooth college was built etc they turned on people wanting independence.


I don't know why you keep on about the Enlightenment.

To talk about those men who sacrificed everything including their lives for their Country as if they were engaging in a mere hobby is disgraceful.

There was no more legal protection for Protestant rebels than Catholic ones. It was the noose for all of them.

You're talking about a different time period.


I never did said nor did such a thing. I don't know why you keep saying I've dismissed all of that.


Disgusting bigot


She did until the Church rejected Republicans and turned on Nationalists.

And she also survived due to the sacrifice of many Protestant leaders of revolts and rebellions.

You are angry because you cannot write them out of history Sir.
I see what you're doing Myles, you’re shamelessly narrowing the timeline now because the broader one doesn’t suit your argument, but even within the period you specify, your position still doesn’t hold.

From the late 1700s onward, the Catholic Church was not operating as a free, confident institution that could behave like a modern political party. It was emerging slowly from illegality, poverty, and decades of systematic repression and under pain of death. Partial relief from the Penal Laws did not magically transform the Church into a sovereign political actor; it was still cautious because it had learned; through blood, that reckless confrontation often resulted in catastrophic reprisals against ordinary Catholics. That caution is not the same thing as betrayal, and conflating the two is a serious historical mistake.

On the privileged Parnell specifically: yes, members of the Catholic hierarchy opposed him after the scandal, however framing that as “destroying nationalism” is simplistic and moronic. Parnell’s fall was driven by Victorian moral politics, British pressure, internal party fractures, and public opinion. More importantly, Irish nationalism did not end with Parnell; it shifted form. The land movement, cultural revival, and later revolutionary nationalism were overwhelmingly Catholic in composition and support. If the Church had truly “turned on nationalism,” those movements would have collapsed. They didn’t.

You also keep insisting that Protestant and Catholic rebels faced equal conditions, but that ignores structural reality. Protestant radicals like Tone, Drennan, or later figures operated from within an educated, property-owning class with access to networks, print culture, and continental allies. Catholic rebels came from a population that had only recently been allowed basic civil existence. When Catholic uprisings failed, the consequences were collective: evictions, clerical crackdowns, mass arrests, and starvation. The Church’s role in restraining violence was often about preventing annihilation, not currying favour with Britain.

No one is trying to “write Protestants out of history.” That’s a straw man. Protestant patriots existed and are acknowledged, but they are a tiny percentage of historical nationalists within Irish history and they had to go against 'their own'. What you are trying to do; whether you realise it or not, is invert proportions: to treat exceptions as equivalents, and caution as treachery.

The Catholic Church did not survive by abandoning the Irish people; it survived because it stayed embedded in them, protected them when possible, restrained them when necessary, and endured alongside them. That isn’t a comfortable narrative for modern ideological tastes, but history isn’t obliged to be comfortable.

As someone who thinks of himself as a ‘nationalist’ - you come across as an absolute disgrace and ignoramus in terms of actual history.
 
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When it came to Protestant leaders they far outstripped their % quota of the population.

And you talk of them being privileged as an accusation. I see it as honourable that despite somebody from another church and with prospects for a good life would give up everything to help their dispossessed fellow Countrymen enjoy the same rights they did.

Your moral framework seems rather strange to me.

On the privileged Parnell
Quite unbelievable that you would talk of a great Irishman in such a derogatory fashion. I doubt you'd put the word privileged in front of O'Connell. And we know the real reason why.

Framing that as “destroying nationalism” is simplistic and moronic.
You're attributing quotes to me that I never made again!

I never said it destroyed nationalism. I said it destroyed Parnell, a man who was leading a mass movement against Landlordsim and seeking the repeal of the corrupt Union. Great work Church!

More importantly, Irish nationalism did not end with Parnell; it shifted form. The land movement, cultural revival, and later revolutionary nationalism were overwhelmingly Catholic in composition and support. If the Church had truly “turned on nationalism,” those movements would have collapsed. They didn’t.
The Church hierarchy denounced the revolutionaries from on high every chance they got.

You also keep insisting that Protestant and Catholic rebels faced equal conditions, but that ignores structural reality. Protestant radicals like Tone, Drennan, or later figures operated from within an educated, property-owning class with access to networks, print culture, and continental allies. Catholic rebels came from a population that had only recently been allowed basic civil existence. When Catholic uprisings failed, the consequences were collective: evictions, clerical crackdowns, mass arrests, and starvation.
How much better off than their Catholic neighbours were the Presbyterians cut down at Ballynahinch, Antrim etc?

Look I think we've taken this as far as we can.

But in answering one question we'll see what you are really all about Sir.

When the Republic's first President Douglas Hyde passed away, the then Taoiseach John Costello and his Cabinet stood outside St Patrick's Cathedral in the rain rather than go into the funeral. (There was one exception, Noel Browne, who incidentally was subsequently destroyed by the Church too).

Were they right or wrong?
 
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I'm sure the compo claims are great though.


An Post should be concentrating on the amount if thieves they have delivering and sorting mail across the country, it'd fit them better.
 
I'm sure the compo claims are great though.


An Post should be concentrating on the amount if thieves they have delivering and sorting mail across the country, it'd fit them better.
Yep, had the contents of a parcel stolen last year, An Post weren't interested, basically they said I should of insured it, which isn't cheap and is a nice little earner for them. In fact, having parcels stolen will only encourage people to take out said insurance, and they are not going to say no to that.
 
The tranny cult must be stopped before it destroys humanity.

The whole tranny thing is occultic. It has nothing to do with health care. JFK jr would know this.

It’s not a good look for JFK jr.
 
The whole tranny thing is occultic. It has nothing to do with health care. JFK jr would know this.

It’s not a good look for JFK jr.
The whole Trans Stuff just doesn't stand-up to even one iota of common sense.

Obviously you can't be born in the wrong body. You are born in the body you are born in. That is reality.

It is quite frankly amazing that anyone that says you can be born in the wrong body could ever have an iota of sense on anything from there on in !

You'd almost think it is some sort of psych-op by the Powers-That-Be = = Can we really get a large % of the population to believe this absolute nonsense ? !
 
I still spect that he could face criminal charges. Anything is possible here now.
Something very off about Tim Walz = = You just get that vibe off him.

I reckon that he was foisted on Kamala Harris to make sure that she didn't win ~ Just a , to be sure, to be sure ! !
 
Something very off about Tim Walz = = You just get that vibe off him.

I reckon that he was foisted on Kamala Harris to make sure that she didn't win ~ Just a , to be sure, to be sure ! !
I reckon he's a nonce. Has that look about him.
He's 100% corrupt too, taking money from the tranny and Somalian rent boy lobby...
 
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The average iq in the horn of africa in general is about 75...
These folk are being put up to scam as much as possible from indigenous tax compliant folk - it is a gigantic humiliation ritual. THEY are the captain now - until..
* nasty observations re natural selection redacted*
 
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I reckon he's a nonce. Has that look about him.
He's 100% corrupt too, taking money from the tranny and Somalian rent boy lobby...
Something stinks about Tim Walz ~ Didn't he even try to claim military valour by claiming to have fought in Iraq ( I think anyway )

Even his wife is a weirdo ! ! ! When a husband and wife are both weirdos = = Extreme Danger ! !
 
The average iq in the horn of africa in general is about 75...
These folk are being put up to scam as much as possible from indigenous tax compliant folk - it is a gigantic humiliation ritual. THEY are the captain now - until..
* nasty observations re natural selection redacted*
A lot of the stuff that is being done by the Gimps of the Globalist Elites seem to be a " humiliation ritual "

The Trans Lunacy !

Treating extremely dodgy immigrants better that Indigenous people in many many many ways ! ! !

Authoritarianism / No Free Speech ! !
 
A lot of the stuff that is being done by the Gimps of the Globalist Elites seem to be a " humiliation ritual "

The Trans Lunacy !

Treating extremely dodgy immigrants better that Indigenous people in many many many ways ! ! !

Authoritarianism / No Free Speech ! !
What I edited out were bits about natural selection in such places - and the artificial population explosion in places that were never fit to sustain large populations..and the guilt trip they put on all of us with the the trocaire boxes.
Keeping everything as neutral as possible
 
Something very off about Tim Walz = = You just get that vibe off him.

I reckon that he was foisted on Kamala Harris to make sure that she didn't win ~ Just a , to be sure, to be sure ! !
According to a lad on X, he is is fear of him being killed by walz
 

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