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<blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 131693" data-attributes="member: 353"><p>Firstly , thanks for being my punching bag, normally that role is played by Jambo, but he’s less fun, because he’s not read a book since he was 12.</p><p></p><p>Anyhoo…</p><p></p><p><strong>Seeks Claim</strong>: <em>"Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness did as much on Lisbon as Ganley. No larger a globalist today than Adams. Does he count in your list of Catholic Nationalists?"</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Reality</strong>:</p><p>This is a classic bait-and-switch. Adams and McGuinness briefly voiced occasional opposition to EU measures, but their objections were framed within a <em>Marxist revolutionary paradigm</em>, not a Catholic nationalist one. Their worldview was steeped in liberation theology, which is <strong>not Catholicism</strong>, but a politicised heresy condemned by Pope John Paul II. Declan Ganley, for all his faults and Atlanticist sympathies, launched <strong>a direct challenge to Brussels technocracy</strong>, financing and organizing an actual, <em>effective</em> resistance to the Lisbon Treaty. Adams and McGuinness merely <strong>leveraged EU ambiguity</strong> to gain leverage for Sinn Féin’s globalist-lite aspirations. They were never driven by a Catholic worldview, and invoking them as equivalents to Ganley is like comparing a fanzine to a newspaper simply because both use ink. Ultimately, their contribution was significantly less.</p><p></p><p><strong>Seeks Claim</strong>: <em>"SSPX are censored and not on RTE? Have they tried doing a web-cast from the front seat of their cars in Sligo?"</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Reality</strong>:</p><p>This mockery proves the poster’s ignorance of how <strong>truth, not popularity</strong>, defines Catholicism. The SSPX <em>refuses</em> to whore out the faith through clown-car theatrics or clickbait pantomimes. Their strategy is not digital attention-seeking, but <strong>sacramental restoration</strong> and slow cultural repair. They’re censored from mainstream media not because they’re ineffective, but because they’re <strong>a living indictment</strong> of both Vatican II collapse <em>and</em> secularist modernity. Sheridan’s webcam antics are not outreach—they’re <strong>confessional solipsism</strong> disguised as dissidence. That’s the difference between a priesthood in exile and a pagan on autoplay.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Seeks Claim</strong>: <em>"People will have heard of Sheridan, you on the other hand, cannot name one of these 'real' Catholics in Ireland..."</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Reality</strong>:</p><p>False. I've named many: <strong>Fr. Patrick McCarthy</strong>, <strong>Fr. Michael Crowdy</strong>, <strong>and </strong>lay voices like <strong>Andy Heasman</strong>, <strong>Gearóid Ó Colmáin</strong>, <strong>Dana Rosemary Scallon</strong>, <strong>Declan Ganley</strong>, <strong>Malachy Steenson</strong>, <strong>Peadar Toibin</strong>, <strong>Gemma O Doherty</strong>, and so on. Sheridan is a nobody.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Seeks Claim</strong>: <em>"Patrick Pearse... was as much inspired by Wolfe Tone and Emmett as Jesus Christ."</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Reality</strong>:</p><p>This reveals a <em>shallow reading</em> of Pearse. Yes, he referenced Tone and Emmett as symbols of Irish defiance—but his <strong>mystical core</strong>, as evidenced in “The Spiritual Nation” and his speeches at the grave of O’Donovan Rossa, was deeply Catholic. Pearse saw martyrdom through a <strong>Christological lens</strong>, not through Tone’s secular deism. His entire pedagogical philosophy was centered around the <strong>formation of Catholic souls</strong> for national redemption. Quoting Tone does not make one less Catholic—Pearse simply integrated national memory with Christian sacrifice. That’s high Catholic nationalism, not contradiction.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Seeks Claim</strong>: <em>"Your non-infiltrated church was writing out the moral framework for globalist mass immigration in the 40s..."</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Reality</strong>:</p><p>This is a <strong>historical lie</strong> or a <em>deliberate conflation</em>. The 1940s Church spoke about <strong>charity to refugees</strong> post-WWII—<em>not borderless multiracial utopias</em>. The difference between <strong>principled hospitality</strong> and modern <strong>globohomo-engineered demographic replacement</strong> is as wide as the Tiber. The <em>infiltration</em> began in earnest <strong>after</strong> WWII—particularly in the 1950s and 60s with the rise of the Nouvelle Théologie and eventual victory at Vatican II. Before this, the papal encyclicals like <em>Quas Primas</em> (1925) and <em>Immortale Dei</em> (1885) were focused on <strong>Christ the King and national sovereignty</strong>, not supranationalism.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Seeks Claim</strong>: <em>"That lovely calendar merch... from Angelus Press. If only people outside their echo-chamber knew about it."</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Reality</strong>:</p><p>Here we get the jealous sneer: mocking $4.99 merchandise while sitting on a digital throne built on <strong>nothing</strong>. Angelus Press harmlessly sells devotional materials to Catholics, many of whom support families, homeschools, parishes, and <em>real</em> charity. That’s not an “echo chamber”—it’s a <strong>surviving remnant</strong> of Christian civilization. And unlike the self-styled “thought leaders” of the neopagan webcam underground, Angelus Press actually has <strong>a track record</strong>, <strong>a catechism</strong>, and <strong>a Church behind it</strong>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tiger, post: 131693, member: 353"] Firstly , thanks for being my punching bag, normally that role is played by Jambo, but he’s less fun, because he’s not read a book since he was 12. Anyhoo… [B]Seeks Claim[/B]: [I]"Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness did as much on Lisbon as Ganley. No larger a globalist today than Adams. Does he count in your list of Catholic Nationalists?"[/I] [B]Reality[/B]: This is a classic bait-and-switch. Adams and McGuinness briefly voiced occasional opposition to EU measures, but their objections were framed within a [I]Marxist revolutionary paradigm[/I], not a Catholic nationalist one. Their worldview was steeped in liberation theology, which is [B]not Catholicism[/B], but a politicised heresy condemned by Pope John Paul II. Declan Ganley, for all his faults and Atlanticist sympathies, launched [B]a direct challenge to Brussels technocracy[/B], financing and organizing an actual, [I]effective[/I] resistance to the Lisbon Treaty. Adams and McGuinness merely [B]leveraged EU ambiguity[/B] to gain leverage for Sinn Féin’s globalist-lite aspirations. They were never driven by a Catholic worldview, and invoking them as equivalents to Ganley is like comparing a fanzine to a newspaper simply because both use ink. Ultimately, their contribution was significantly less. [B]Seeks Claim[/B]: [I]"SSPX are censored and not on RTE? Have they tried doing a web-cast from the front seat of their cars in Sligo?"[/I] [B]Reality[/B]: This mockery proves the poster’s ignorance of how [B]truth, not popularity[/B], defines Catholicism. The SSPX [I]refuses[/I] to whore out the faith through clown-car theatrics or clickbait pantomimes. Their strategy is not digital attention-seeking, but [B]sacramental restoration[/B] and slow cultural repair. They’re censored from mainstream media not because they’re ineffective, but because they’re [B]a living indictment[/B] of both Vatican II collapse [I]and[/I] secularist modernity. Sheridan’s webcam antics are not outreach—they’re [B]confessional solipsism[/B] disguised as dissidence. That’s the difference between a priesthood in exile and a pagan on autoplay. [B]Seeks Claim[/B]: [I]"People will have heard of Sheridan, you on the other hand, cannot name one of these 'real' Catholics in Ireland..."[/I] [B]Reality[/B]: False. I've named many: [B]Fr. Patrick McCarthy[/B], [B]Fr. Michael Crowdy[/B], [B]and [/B]lay voices like [B]Andy Heasman[/B], [B]Gearóid Ó Colmáin[/B], [B]Dana Rosemary Scallon[/B], [B]Declan Ganley[/B], [B]Malachy Steenson[/B], [B]Peadar Toibin[/B], [B]Gemma O Doherty[/B], and so on. Sheridan is a nobody. [B]Seeks Claim[/B]: [I]"Patrick Pearse... was as much inspired by Wolfe Tone and Emmett as Jesus Christ."[/I] [B]Reality[/B]: This reveals a [I]shallow reading[/I] of Pearse. Yes, he referenced Tone and Emmett as symbols of Irish defiance—but his [B]mystical core[/B], as evidenced in “The Spiritual Nation” and his speeches at the grave of O’Donovan Rossa, was deeply Catholic. Pearse saw martyrdom through a [B]Christological lens[/B], not through Tone’s secular deism. His entire pedagogical philosophy was centered around the [B]formation of Catholic souls[/B] for national redemption. Quoting Tone does not make one less Catholic—Pearse simply integrated national memory with Christian sacrifice. That’s high Catholic nationalism, not contradiction. [B]Seeks Claim[/B]: [I]"Your non-infiltrated church was writing out the moral framework for globalist mass immigration in the 40s..."[/I] [B]Reality[/B]: This is a [B]historical lie[/B] or a [I]deliberate conflation[/I]. The 1940s Church spoke about [B]charity to refugees[/B] post-WWII—[I]not borderless multiracial utopias[/I]. The difference between [B]principled hospitality[/B] and modern [B]globohomo-engineered demographic replacement[/B] is as wide as the Tiber. The [I]infiltration[/I] began in earnest [B]after[/B] WWII—particularly in the 1950s and 60s with the rise of the Nouvelle Théologie and eventual victory at Vatican II. Before this, the papal encyclicals like [I]Quas Primas[/I] (1925) and [I]Immortale Dei[/I] (1885) were focused on [B]Christ the King and national sovereignty[/B], not supranationalism. [B]Seeks Claim[/B]: [I]"That lovely calendar merch... from Angelus Press. If only people outside their echo-chamber knew about it."[/I] [B]Reality[/B]: Here we get the jealous sneer: mocking $4.99 merchandise while sitting on a digital throne built on [B]nothing[/B]. Angelus Press harmlessly sells devotional materials to Catholics, many of whom support families, homeschools, parishes, and [I]real[/I] charity. That’s not an “echo chamber”—it’s a [B]surviving remnant[/B] of Christian civilization. And unlike the self-styled “thought leaders” of the neopagan webcam underground, Angelus Press actually has [B]a track record[/B], [B]a catechism[/B], and [B]a Church behind it[/B]. [/QUOTE]
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