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<blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 131768" data-attributes="member: 353"><p>If you want to write revisionist fan fiction about Irish history, that’s your prerogative, but let’s not pretend it has any bearing on the reality we’re living through—or on the actual topic of this thread.</p><p></p><p>The OP didn’t exist to canonise Peadar Tóibín or draw up a list of contemporary saints; it raised a serious and broadly held concern—that the spiritual and cultural collapse of Catholicism in the 26 counties has left behind a void now being filled by imported ideologies and peoples. Mass immigration, falling native birthrates, and political self-hatred are not isolated problems; they are symptoms of a civilisation that has lost its anchor.</p><p></p><p>In practical terms, the post-Catholic era has produced an Ireland that is emotionally and intellectually disarmed in the face of civilisational change. When the Faith was strong, Ireland still had a sense of the sacred—of community, obligation, and the natural order. Now, the dominant ethos is a mix of consumerism, and deracinated individualism. Without a transcendent moral framework, the population has become passive, almost neurotically afraid to assert boundaries—cultural, national, or even biological. The State reflects this loss of conviction. Why wouldn't it? We’ve traded in our altar and tabernacle for DEI consultants and TikTok influencers. In such a regime, the idea of resisting mass immigration isn’t just unfashionable—it’s literally unthinkable.</p><p></p><p>Now to the claim that Catholicism was merely incidental or even an obstacle to Irish nationalism—this is simply false, and deeply unserious. Not only did Ireland’s most effective nationalists ground their vision of Irish sovereignty in the Faith, they openly and explicitly said so.</p><p></p><p><strong>Padraig Pearse</strong>:</p><p><em>"I see the task of the Irish patriot to be not only to win freedom for Ireland, but to win it as a Christian nation... The Gael must stand for the spiritual against the material, for the soul against the gold."</em></p><p>— <em>From his essay “The Spiritual Nation”</em></p><p></p><p><strong>Terence MacSwiney</strong>, Lord Mayor of Cork, martyred by hunger strike in 1920:</p><p><em>"It is not those who can inflict the most but those who can suffer the most who will conquer. Through our Holy Faith we will rise."</em></p><p>— <em>From “Principles of Freedom”</em></p><p></p><p><strong>The 1916 Proclamation</strong>, read by Pearse outside the GPO, declares:</p><p><em>"We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God."</em></p><p>That’s not boilerplate—it’s the ideological foundation of their rebellion.</p><p></p><p><strong>The 1937 Constitution of Ireland</strong>, drafted under de Valera and passed by popular referendum, opens with:</p><p></p><p><strong>This is not incidental. This is foundational.</strong></p><p></p><p>So let’s be clear: when Catholicism was strong, Irish men died for their country, for their people, and for their Faith. The Church gave moral structure and intellectual ballast to the nationalist movement. It gave us schools, communities, identity, and cohesion. What have the secularists given us? Tinder, SSRIs, mass migration, and a birthrate in freefall.</p><p></p><p>You say Catholicism was never the cause of nationalist resistance? But where is the non-Catholic resistance now? When Catholic identity was strong, we had poets, martyrs, and statesmen. Today, your side has an unemployed car vlogger from Sligo and a handful of podcasters LARPing as revolutionaries from a Wi-Fi signal.</p><p></p><p>This thread has now gone over 100 posts. Still, not one credible example has been given of a <strong>Godless nationalist</strong> movement in Ireland that has achieved anything or built any lasting institutions. We’re still waiting. So I’ll ask plainly:</p><p></p><p><strong>Can you name one prominent Godless figure or group in Ireland today—just one—who has mounted a serious, sustained opposition to the mass migration agenda and demographic collapse?</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tiger, post: 131768, member: 353"] If you want to write revisionist fan fiction about Irish history, that’s your prerogative, but let’s not pretend it has any bearing on the reality we’re living through—or on the actual topic of this thread. The OP didn’t exist to canonise Peadar Tóibín or draw up a list of contemporary saints; it raised a serious and broadly held concern—that the spiritual and cultural collapse of Catholicism in the 26 counties has left behind a void now being filled by imported ideologies and peoples. Mass immigration, falling native birthrates, and political self-hatred are not isolated problems; they are symptoms of a civilisation that has lost its anchor. In practical terms, the post-Catholic era has produced an Ireland that is emotionally and intellectually disarmed in the face of civilisational change. When the Faith was strong, Ireland still had a sense of the sacred—of community, obligation, and the natural order. Now, the dominant ethos is a mix of consumerism, and deracinated individualism. Without a transcendent moral framework, the population has become passive, almost neurotically afraid to assert boundaries—cultural, national, or even biological. The State reflects this loss of conviction. Why wouldn't it? We’ve traded in our altar and tabernacle for DEI consultants and TikTok influencers. In such a regime, the idea of resisting mass immigration isn’t just unfashionable—it’s literally unthinkable. Now to the claim that Catholicism was merely incidental or even an obstacle to Irish nationalism—this is simply false, and deeply unserious. Not only did Ireland’s most effective nationalists ground their vision of Irish sovereignty in the Faith, they openly and explicitly said so. [B]Padraig Pearse[/B]: [I]"I see the task of the Irish patriot to be not only to win freedom for Ireland, but to win it as a Christian nation... The Gael must stand for the spiritual against the material, for the soul against the gold."[/I] — [I]From his essay “The Spiritual Nation”[/I] [B]Terence MacSwiney[/B], Lord Mayor of Cork, martyred by hunger strike in 1920: [I]"It is not those who can inflict the most but those who can suffer the most who will conquer. Through our Holy Faith we will rise."[/I] — [I]From “Principles of Freedom”[/I] [B]The 1916 Proclamation[/B], read by Pearse outside the GPO, declares: [I]"We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God."[/I] That’s not boilerplate—it’s the ideological foundation of their rebellion. [B]The 1937 Constitution of Ireland[/B], drafted under de Valera and passed by popular referendum, opens with: [B]This is not incidental. This is foundational.[/B] So let’s be clear: when Catholicism was strong, Irish men died for their country, for their people, and for their Faith. The Church gave moral structure and intellectual ballast to the nationalist movement. It gave us schools, communities, identity, and cohesion. What have the secularists given us? Tinder, SSRIs, mass migration, and a birthrate in freefall. You say Catholicism was never the cause of nationalist resistance? But where is the non-Catholic resistance now? When Catholic identity was strong, we had poets, martyrs, and statesmen. Today, your side has an unemployed car vlogger from Sligo and a handful of podcasters LARPing as revolutionaries from a Wi-Fi signal. This thread has now gone over 100 posts. Still, not one credible example has been given of a [B]Godless nationalist[/B] movement in Ireland that has achieved anything or built any lasting institutions. We’re still waiting. So I’ll ask plainly: [B]Can you name one prominent Godless figure or group in Ireland today—just one—who has mounted a serious, sustained opposition to the mass migration agenda and demographic collapse?[/B] [/QUOTE]
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