Origins Thread (Uncensored)

[Tiger]

And after you've given me a blog (shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes, surely).. If you can move this thread into it.

And then I'll delete all of Wendy's repetitive spam myself, such as her repeated already answered nonsense, gifs etc. And like I said, if she has anything constructive to offer, I won't (delete it).

Haha, I’ve screen grabbed all the posts that you are now ashamed of and are desperate to delete

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

I said that the chances of an event happening are 50-50, it either does or it doesn't.

Good lord. This is not how probability works. It is not an off/on light switch. You are out of your depth here son .

 

[Mods vs Roc_ers]

Probability is dogmatic, so it's circular logic. Eg. I predict event A with probability 0.6 and event B with probability 0.4 is a shorthand version of saying "I predict (with certainty) that the value of a variable called probability A equals 0.6 and the value of a corresponding variable for B equals 0.4". In other words you're not predicting actual events but certain abstract entities called the probabilities of events, which can be variously interpreted. I.e. You are making a prediction about some simplified abstraction from the real world, some incomplete image - of which we can become certain.

 

[Mods vs Roc_ers]

Also we need a set of possibilities, which I presume is where the fifty-fifty thing came from?

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

In other words you're not predicting

Probability has nothing to do with predictive models. In the case of the argument for fine tuning, we are observing the very nature of the Universe, in particular the fundamental constants and quantities of various forces and subatomic particles, and how they necessarily all interact together, on a knife edge, to create the environment necessary for life to exist.

Observable data, in other words, that brings into the question the forces required to order such impeccable precision. Probability mathematics tells us that the odds of these numbers aligning so perfectly are so high, as to be impossible to chance alone.

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

However a probability of zero, or one, not so much. And that's how probability is expressed.

Only in the context of a single event is probability expressed as 1 or 0. We are not talking about a single event when discussing fine-tuning. Apparently you don't know what we are talking about. I'm shocked!

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

The part this ^ twit's leaving out is God of the gaps.

I think even they are embarrassed by their own "arguments".

James is terrified of origins talk, despite this misnamed thread. No one is talking about God, we are discussing fine-tuning and the probability of complex systems

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

What are you babbling about now?

As has become painfully obvious James: You are in way over your head on this matter.

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

James thinks you can flip a coin to determine the probability of a complex, life sustaining universe popping into existence, with all the required attributes (there are a lot of them) aligned on the knife edge they observably are.

Mad stuff really. Not really worth anyone's time

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

Good fucking lord, you people are so tiresome.

Off you toddle so. Think of the 1s and 0s you've already wasted on this thread. What are the probabilities of more waste to come? 1 or 0?

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

James has taken Dawkin's blind watchmaker, and turned him into a coin flipping chancer

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

Probability is measured between 0 and 1.

Yes, of a single event, like a coin flip. You are chancer, that's all

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

Scientists spend a lot of time and money trying to calculate the probability of complex systems. Turns out they could have gone down the boozer and had James toss a penny. Saved themselves the bother

One example here of time wasted:

Taming chaos: Calculating probability in complex systems

Daily weather patterns, brain activity on an EEG (electroencephalogram) and heartbeats on an EKG (electrocardiogram) each generate lines of complex data. To analyze this data, perhaps to predict a storm, seizure or heart attack, researchers must first divide up this continuous data into discrete...

phys.org

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

Do you have a point? Why are you running away from your God of the gaps argument?

which gaps are you on about James? We are taking about the observed attributes of cosmic forces and particles, and how they interact and align on a knife edge, to form the environment in which life is possible. In other words, we are discussing the opposite of gaps, gaps you seem oddly and inexplicably hung up on

what are these 'gaps' btw?

 

[PlunkettsGhost]

Only in the context of a single event is probability expressed as 1 or 0.

That's either very poorly worded or it's rubbish

do you not what a coin flip is James? Apparently not

 

[Tiger]

Speaking of probability…

I see Jambo invented a sock puppet called ‘Mods and Roc’er’ to have a conversation with himself. What is the ‘chances’ of that?

 

[Tiger]

You're a total spa

You’re to be pitied.

 

[Tiger]

Could you fuck off? You're not even trying..


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cC-1ihrOs1E

As I recall, I tried to start a conversation about probability and the constants of the universe, however we fell at the first hurdle when it was clear you that struggle with rather simple mathematical concepts. Hilarity ensued.

 

[Tiger]

Both of you are clueless about probability.

10 to the power of 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 10 = “50/50”

Jambo 8th February 2024.

#neverforget

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

10 to the power of 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 10 = “50/50”

Jambo 8th February 2024.

#neverforget

You are one pathetic loser Wendy