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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AN2" data-source="post: 120637" data-attributes="member: 3556"><reading more>In this latest debate, each side got 25 minutes. I opened with two short points: (1) the religious agenda of ID creationists calls into question their motives, and (2) regardless of their religious beliefs, the flaws in their arguments doom their program. I noted that my friend Francis Collins, who was the Director of the Human Genome Project and is now head of the National Institutes of Health, is a born-again evangelical Christian who fully accepts all of evolutionary theory and has never been discriminated against for his religious views because he practices good science (which puts the lie to the claim by IDers that they are not given a hearing because of their religious beliefs). Prothero devoted his time to instructing the audience on where the science of life's origins is today, basically covering his 15-week college course in one minute per week's worth of material. You can read Don's account here: <a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2009/12/battle-in-bever.html#more" target="_blank">http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2009/12/battle-in-bever.html#more</a>So how do Meyer and Sternberg think life originated on Earth? Who knows, because in their entire 25 minutes they never once even mentioned the origin of life, and instead attacked "neo-Darwinism," population genetics, rates of mutation, etc., none of which has anything whatsoever to do with the origins of life. Then, without even a hint of hypocrisy, Meyer accused us of dodging the debate question! He then announced that he was not there to defend intelligent design theory, nor would he speculate on how he thinks life came about. I was amazed. Meyer has a brand new 600-page book subtitled "The Evidence for Intelligent Design" that they were selling in the lobby, and he flew thousands of miles with no intention of telling us how he thinks life arose? This is what bothers me about creationists more than anything else--they don't have the courage of their convictions. They're cowards. They want to hide behind scientistic jargon and try to sneak in their religion later.</blockquote>

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