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<blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 130805" data-attributes="member: 353"><p>You seem more focused on sounding smug than actually engaging with the argument. Dismissing technical terms as 'abstract' and labeling counterpoints as 'deliberately obtuse' might win you applause in a Reddit echo chamber, but it doesn’t fly in serious discussion. The irony is, you're confidently repeating 19th-century assumptions as if they’re cutting-edge, while mocking 21st-century molecular science as 'overcomplicated.' You’re trying to bluff your way through the conversation with tone instead of substance—and it shows.</p><p></p><p>You accuse me of overcomplicating things, but what you’re actually doing is oversimplifying them to avoid the real scientific hurdles. This isn’t about abiogenesis (I never mentioned it)—though that’s another gaping hole in the materialist worldview. This is about the core claim of Darwinian evolution: that unintelligent processes can generate functional, integrated complexity. And the moment we press on that point, we get vague appeals to 'environmental pressure' as a substitute for actual mechanisms.</p><p></p><p>Calling the environment ‘the designer’ is poetic, not scientific. Environments don’t code proteins. They don’t write DNA. They don’t produce coordinated networks of gene regulation, epigenetic control, and developmental programming. Natural selection can act on existing traits, but it cannot account for the <em>origin</em> of the traits it selects. That’s the key issue, and you still haven’t touched it.</p><p></p><p>As for your claim that religion has no explanatory power—that's simply false. The claim that life is the product of design not only explains the presence of complex, information-rich systems, but aligns with what we know from every other domain: information and order consistently trace back to intelligence. Saying 'I don’t know, and neither do you' isn’t humility—it’s intellectual surrender masquerading as open-mindedness.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tiger, post: 130805, member: 353"] You seem more focused on sounding smug than actually engaging with the argument. Dismissing technical terms as 'abstract' and labeling counterpoints as 'deliberately obtuse' might win you applause in a Reddit echo chamber, but it doesn’t fly in serious discussion. The irony is, you're confidently repeating 19th-century assumptions as if they’re cutting-edge, while mocking 21st-century molecular science as 'overcomplicated.' You’re trying to bluff your way through the conversation with tone instead of substance—and it shows. You accuse me of overcomplicating things, but what you’re actually doing is oversimplifying them to avoid the real scientific hurdles. This isn’t about abiogenesis (I never mentioned it)—though that’s another gaping hole in the materialist worldview. This is about the core claim of Darwinian evolution: that unintelligent processes can generate functional, integrated complexity. And the moment we press on that point, we get vague appeals to 'environmental pressure' as a substitute for actual mechanisms. Calling the environment ‘the designer’ is poetic, not scientific. Environments don’t code proteins. They don’t write DNA. They don’t produce coordinated networks of gene regulation, epigenetic control, and developmental programming. Natural selection can act on existing traits, but it cannot account for the [I]origin[/I] of the traits it selects. That’s the key issue, and you still haven’t touched it. As for your claim that religion has no explanatory power—that's simply false. The claim that life is the product of design not only explains the presence of complex, information-rich systems, but aligns with what we know from every other domain: information and order consistently trace back to intelligence. Saying 'I don’t know, and neither do you' isn’t humility—it’s intellectual surrender masquerading as open-mindedness. [/QUOTE]
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