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<blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 132524" data-attributes="member: 353"><p>This is the kind of response you get from someone who doesn’t read books</p><p></p><p>Ah ok, you'd like to be spoon fed, say no more...</p><p></p><p>When I say that a mathematically grounded theory would <strong>derive</strong> the constants, I mean this: the values of those constants would <strong>emerge necessarily</strong> from the internal structure of the theory itself. They would not be put in by hand as arbitrary inputs (as they are in the Standard Model), but would fall out of the equations the way π emerges from the geometry of a circle, or how the energy levels of a hydrogen atom emerge from solving the Schrödinger equation for the Coulomb potential. In short, <strong>you don’t get to choose the values—they’re entailed by the mathematics.</strong></p><p></p><p>Now, to your second point: <em>fine-tuning itself does not predict</em> the values—it absolutely <strong>points to the necessity of a theory that does</strong>. Fine-tuning is an <em>empirical observation</em>—not a theory. It’s the recognition that small changes in constants (e.g., the strong nuclear force, the cosmological constant) obliterate the possibility of complex matter, chemistry, or long-lived stars. That’s not a theological point or a “God of the gaps” move. That’s physics. The question it raises is: <strong>why do these constants fall into the narrow life-permitting range at all?</strong> If there’s no deeper law necessitating those values, then the fact that they fall within this razor-thin window is, statistically, absurd—and in need of explanation.</p><p></p><p>So to repeat and clarify:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A <strong>predictive theory</strong> is what we’re after.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Fine-tuning</strong> is the clue that such a theory is missing.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Invoking a multiverse, or asserting that “other combinations might work,” without any model or math, is not a scientific answer. It’s a placeholder for one.</li> </ul><p>Now—can <em>you</em> outline a framework, derived from known physics, in which the constants are not arbitrarily assigned, but follow necessarily from deeper principles?</p><p></p><p>Because if not, then we're still standing in front of a locked vault—and all you've offered is the assumption that a key <em>might</em> exist.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tiger, post: 132524, member: 353"] This is the kind of response you get from someone who doesn’t read books Ah ok, you'd like to be spoon fed, say no more... When I say that a mathematically grounded theory would [B]derive[/B] the constants, I mean this: the values of those constants would [B]emerge necessarily[/B] from the internal structure of the theory itself. They would not be put in by hand as arbitrary inputs (as they are in the Standard Model), but would fall out of the equations the way π emerges from the geometry of a circle, or how the energy levels of a hydrogen atom emerge from solving the Schrödinger equation for the Coulomb potential. In short, [B]you don’t get to choose the values—they’re entailed by the mathematics.[/B] Now, to your second point: [I]fine-tuning itself does not predict[/I] the values—it absolutely [B]points to the necessity of a theory that does[/B]. Fine-tuning is an [I]empirical observation[/I]—not a theory. It’s the recognition that small changes in constants (e.g., the strong nuclear force, the cosmological constant) obliterate the possibility of complex matter, chemistry, or long-lived stars. That’s not a theological point or a “God of the gaps” move. That’s physics. The question it raises is: [B]why do these constants fall into the narrow life-permitting range at all?[/B] If there’s no deeper law necessitating those values, then the fact that they fall within this razor-thin window is, statistically, absurd—and in need of explanation. So to repeat and clarify: [LIST] [*]A [B]predictive theory[/B] is what we’re after. [*][B]Fine-tuning[/B] is the clue that such a theory is missing. [*]Invoking a multiverse, or asserting that “other combinations might work,” without any model or math, is not a scientific answer. It’s a placeholder for one. [/LIST] Now—can [I]you[/I] outline a framework, derived from known physics, in which the constants are not arbitrarily assigned, but follow necessarily from deeper principles? Because if not, then we're still standing in front of a locked vault—and all you've offered is the assumption that a key [I]might[/I] exist. [/QUOTE]
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