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<blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 132570" data-attributes="member: 353"><p>That kind of confidence is precisely the problem. You say 'the fact is' — but in truth, all radiometric dating methods rest on unprovable assumptions: constant decay rates, closed systems, and known initial conditions. <strong>None of these can be confirmed over deep time</strong>. In fact, as I’ve already mentioned; we’ve seen examples like the 1986 Mount St. Helens lava dome, where <strong>newly formed rock was radiometrically dated at hundreds of thousands to millions of years old</strong> — clearly erroneous. <strong>Discordant dates</strong>, where different isotopic methods yield <strong>wildly inconsistent results on the same sample</strong>, are common in the scientific literature, and often quietly ‘corrected’ to match expected timelines.</p><p></p><p>The possibility of a global cataclysm — such as a worldwide flood (which is mentioned by every ancient culture and which there is evidence of)— would <strong>reset isotope ratios</strong>, erase stratigraphic sequences, and <strong>obliterate the assumptions</strong> upon which these methods rest. The idea that such methods can deliver precise and absolute truths is more faith than science. And this faith is reinforced by cultural conditioning: from childhood, we're taught to accept 'millions of years' as unquestioned fact — a backdrop against which all natural history is painted. To question it feels heretical not because the evidence is airtight, but because the narrative is deeply ingrained.</p><p></p><p>But the deeper irony is this: it was not geology that led to the assumption of eons — it was Darwinian evolution. Darwin’s theory <strong>demanded vast stretches of time</strong> for its mechanisms to plausibly work, so long ages were assumed to make the theory feasible. Lyell and Hutton’s ideas of ‘deep time’ rose alongside, not prior to, the evolutionary framework — and from then on, the science of time was <strong>retrofitted to support the theory</strong>, not the other way around. As an evolutionist, you’ve got skin in the game — without eons, the machinery of evolution grinds to a halt. So naturally, anything that threatens those eons seems 'ridiculous' — not because it's unscientific, but because it's unwelcome.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tiger, post: 132570, member: 353"] That kind of confidence is precisely the problem. You say 'the fact is' — but in truth, all radiometric dating methods rest on unprovable assumptions: constant decay rates, closed systems, and known initial conditions. [B]None of these can be confirmed over deep time[/B]. In fact, as I’ve already mentioned; we’ve seen examples like the 1986 Mount St. Helens lava dome, where [B]newly formed rock was radiometrically dated at hundreds of thousands to millions of years old[/B] — clearly erroneous. [B]Discordant dates[/B], where different isotopic methods yield [B]wildly inconsistent results on the same sample[/B], are common in the scientific literature, and often quietly ‘corrected’ to match expected timelines. The possibility of a global cataclysm — such as a worldwide flood (which is mentioned by every ancient culture and which there is evidence of)— would [B]reset isotope ratios[/B], erase stratigraphic sequences, and [B]obliterate the assumptions[/B] upon which these methods rest. The idea that such methods can deliver precise and absolute truths is more faith than science. And this faith is reinforced by cultural conditioning: from childhood, we're taught to accept 'millions of years' as unquestioned fact — a backdrop against which all natural history is painted. To question it feels heretical not because the evidence is airtight, but because the narrative is deeply ingrained. But the deeper irony is this: it was not geology that led to the assumption of eons — it was Darwinian evolution. Darwin’s theory [B]demanded vast stretches of time[/B] for its mechanisms to plausibly work, so long ages were assumed to make the theory feasible. Lyell and Hutton’s ideas of ‘deep time’ rose alongside, not prior to, the evolutionary framework — and from then on, the science of time was [B]retrofitted to support the theory[/B], not the other way around. As an evolutionist, you’ve got skin in the game — without eons, the machinery of evolution grinds to a halt. So naturally, anything that threatens those eons seems 'ridiculous' — not because it's unscientific, but because it's unwelcome. [/QUOTE]
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