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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 132625" data-attributes="member: 353">It’s you who seems to be avoiding truth James.Let’s be precise: Darwinian evolution does demand vast stretches of time — not because time itself proves evolution, but because without immense timescales, the probability of undirected mutations producing complex structures collapses. This isn’t a “religious” statement, it’s a recognition of how evolutionary theory is constructed: it rests on the assumption that given enough time, chance and selection can build everything from a single cell to a conscious being. Remove the eons, and the mechanism is exposed as woefully insufficient. That’s not theology — it’s basic probability and systems logic.What I find ironic is that the same people who accuse others of blind faith are often the first to scoff at scrutiny of their own foundational assumptions. You trust the deep-time model and evolutionary gradualism like doctrine, but mock anyone who asks: “What if those premises are flawed? What if the data doesn’t speak as clearly as we’ve been taught to think?” That’s not science-phobia — that’s called philosophical hygiene.If you think it's "knowable" that unguided molecules became Mozart given just enough time and chaos, then perhaps ask yourself: who's actually running on faith here?Challenge:If you claim that evolution, driven by undirected mutations and natural selection, is sufficient to explain the rise of complex, information-rich biological systems — then can you provide a quantitatively robust model that demonstrates the stepwise, probabilistically feasible emergence of a single irreducibly complex molecular machine (like the bacterial flagellum or ATP synthase) within known mutation rates and realistic population sizes — without appealing to deep time as a hand-waving escape hatch?Because until such a model exists, your confidence in evolution over thousands vs. billions of years isn't based on demonstrable science — it's based on narrative comfort.</blockquote>

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