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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiger" data-source="post: 132656" data-attributes="member: 353">You're not presenting evidence — you're recycling assertions dressed up as inevitabilities. Saying the Earth “would take millions of years to form” and that its “initial conditions were different” is not data; it’s conjecture. When you dismiss radiometric dating — the very method the conventional timeline relies on — and still cling to the 4.5-billion-(or hundreds of millions) year figure, you’re doing precisely what you accuse others of: being unscientific.Wider still, this discussion is only one thread in a larger tapestry of speculation masquerading as settled science. The claim that the universe created itself from nothing is not empirically grounded; it’s metaphysical storytelling with a physics hat on. The formation of stars and planets from gas and dust clouds remains riddled with unsolved problems. Life-from-non-life (abiogenesis) has never been observed or reproduced under any conditions — even with decades of research and cutting-edge laboratories. And evolutionary theory, rather than being solidified by modern biology, is increasingly undermined by it. The highly organized, information-rich architecture of DNA, the irreducible complexity of cellular machinery, and the lack of transitional forms in the fossil record all point away from blind, gradual processes. In fact, given the statistical improbabilities involved, even billions of years are not enough time for random mutations and natural selection to build the complex life we see. For example, even if we take the origin of proteins: Forming even one functional protein from random amino acids, by chance, has probabilities so astronomically small that it would take far longer than the estimated age of the universe.So I’ll ask plainly: What, exactly, is the timeline you're confident in? When did the Earth form, when did it cool, when did life appear, and when did complex organisms emerge? Please lay out the stages. Because even in the conventional model, you’ve got astonishing leaps in complexity happening on impossibly short timeframes — unless you start treating time itself as a kind of miracle worker. In the end, your certainty isn't coming from evidence; it’s coming from narrative. Strip away the storytelling and you're left with a pile of theoretical assumptions — most of which collapse under scrutiny.So once more, directly:If radiometric dating is off the table, what is your evidence — not your confidence — for the Earth's age, and how do you account for the massive improbabilities of complex life forming, even given billions of years?</blockquote>

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