The causes behind the new Catholic Revival

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Even in the established media, its acknowledged that a Catholic revival is occurring, particularly among young men, in countries like Ireland, the United States, England, Netherlands, France, Croatia, Australia, etc. Now definitely this should not be exaggerated, at least in Ireland, but it is certainly a definite trend which you can see everywhere but including for example the Chartres walk, just ended, as seen in this video. This walk has always been popular and well attended, particularly by the young because its quite difficult and does not suit those who cannot walk fast, and there used to be large crowds when it was united between the SSPX and the other traditional groups, (currently there are two separate walks but going on the same dates) but now its reported to be rising in popularity quite significantly, with people been turned away in a manner that was unheard of before.

Anyway its a phenomenon all over the world now, but the question is why? I would throw out three reasons, the first might be made by some but is I think untrue, the second at least partly true, and the last definitely so:


Are people turning to religion because of difficult times

That is of course always the case, and there was a little revival in Ireland after the crash of about 2009, but it didn’t last. So is this what is happening now? Well firstly we might ask why is this, why do people, otherwise atheist, turn to religion at times like that? I can think of a couple of reasons:

– Firstly difficult times can sober people, they can just put aside triviality and get to the heart of things of importance. In otherwords some people might just drift along and lose their religion as part of a kind of group think about the Church and the supposed terrible scandals etc, but then if they get a cancer diagnosis or whatever they might stop and think deeper about it and maybe come back to it.
– Secondly many people are just massively busy in modern times, they are on a roundabout that never seems to stop and sometimes if they get ill, or lose their job or something, they just have more time to think and read a book etc and that often brings them back to the faith.

Anyway I don’t think this is what is happening, because although times are quite difficult for many people, I don’t think they have deteriorated so dramatically in the last couple of years to coincide with this revival. Maybe we will get a big recession soon or whatever but it just hasn’t happened yet, while the revival has, so that refutes that theory.


Is the revival driven by the rise of the Traditional Movement in Catholicism

In case people are not following this, a brief synopsis: The Catholic Church held a great council in Rome in the mid 1960s known as the Second Vatican Council and while the documents produced therein mostly just codified and clarified some things nonetheless in its aftermath, the ‘Spirit of the Council’, wholesale changes were introduced into the Catholic Church in that time of the late 60s and early 70s. In some ways you could accurately enough describe the new Catholic Church that emerged as almost a new religion.

In response to this a number of people, but particularly Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, a French cleric who was previously the head of the Holy Ghost fathers, fought back as it were and attempted to preserve the Catholic practices and doctrines as they existed previous to those wholesale changes. This has now culminated in the popularity of the order he founded, the SSPX, some groups that are part of the same milieu, the Resistance, and some groups founded by the Roman authorities seemingly in response to the rise of the SSPX, the Indult orders and diocesan masses.

This is certainly growing around the world, for example there is now quite a network of Latin masses said by these various groups, around Ireland at least, so is that the engine of this revival? On the surface of it you would have to say no. Its possible to say, I think, that attendance at these Latin masses is growing, but only a little bit, its basically a pro rata increase as part of this small revival. Its not the case that all these new people are crowding into the churches of the traditional orders, to the exclusion of other groups, at all, as far as I know. So while the overall answer here has to be a no, I think two further points could be made which would lead you to believe it has had some impact:

– If you actually go to any of the events that seem to be part of this revival around Ireland, like the new processions and adorations in Derry or the Easter rites at Slane, its very noticeable that while these events are not run by traditionalists, nonetheless the odd Latin hymn might be said, and responded to with gusto and knowledge by the congregations. It seems a knowledge of the old Latin hymns might be greater than the actual attendance at Latin masses, and the same might be true of the practice of receiving Holy Communion on the tongue and kneeling down. A lot of people will do that at these events (sometimes most people there) even where it might not be encouraged or mentioned by the organisers.
– Secondly a lot of people who trip across the traditional movement, have noticed how much more intellectually coherent it is in comparison to the current Church in Ireland. As a simple example: I once heard a parish priest in a church in Ireland try to explain the reasons why God tolerates suffering in people, and actually he literally gave up half way into his explanation! I would actually say there is no such reason, if you are in a Church that has abandoned all mention of Hell or even Purgatory. Its only when you throw the latter two places into the picture, that the Church teaching makes any sense, but many current priests have completely abandoned any mention of them and are therefore bereft of any logical reason behind human suffering, and countless other doctrines of the Church.

That is what you will find that the traditional movement is bringing to the table, it is intellectually coherent because the Church up to 1970 or whatever, was coherent, with 2,000 years of a Magisterium behind it. Its the current Church that often makes no intellectual and philosophical sense and therefore puts people off from joining it. Even if people are not actually attending Latin masses, and corresponding catechism classes and sermons, some are going to be influenced by the new Catholic social media, and that in turn has been greatly revived by the traditional movement. Underlying the views of say a Robert Nugent or a Daniel O’Connor (Catholic youtubers) is the traditional movement and this intellectual coherence, which I think is one of the big reasons behind the new revival, comes out of that movement, so hence its more influential than it seems on the surface.


A reaction against the nihilism of the modern overly liberal world

Back in the day in Ireland you had people like Oliver J. Flanagan and Alice Glenn preaching from the rooftops that if we had widespread divorce we would have great problems for children coming up, if we had total tolerance of homosexuality it would narcissistically dominate the cultural landscape and oppress straight people, and if we had widespread abortion and contraception it would coarsen romantic relationships and lead to a loss of the sense of sanctity of human life. So to a certain extent, this has now come about, and people are fed up with it. I think a little bit of what is happening is that people are seeing more wisdom in these Church doctrines than maybe they saw in the early 90s or whatever, and that is bringing them a little back to the Church?

There is definitely a sense of bankruptcy in the prevailing liberal orthodoxy in Ireland and around the West, and so people are not listening anymore when these ideologues criticise the Church or preach on other issues. This could even feed into the mass migration issue a little. This liberal orthodoxy is telling people that all races are the same, and ‘diversity is our strength’, but many people’s lived experience is telling them something totally different. So they are now looking elsewhere away from these old liberal doctrines, and why not back to the Church and the wisdom of the likes of St Thomas Aquinas on these issues?

So that last point is definitely one reason for this revival and maybe the traditional movement, albeit a little indirectly, another, and who knows what other supernatural aids are also at work!
 
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This is too long for a leisurely read. Too much for My atheist Ex to read.
 

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Secondly many people are just massively busy in modern times, they are on a roundabout that never seems to stop and sometimes if they get ill, or lose their job or something, they just have more time to think and read a book etc and that often brings them back to the faith.

That, sort of.

What I detect is a growing contempt for the way that we are managed by governments and commerce, how our lives are no longer our own exclusive property but we must conform to political strictures and digital demands for details of our lives and habits. Religion, in some ways, is little different, but it offers a simplicity and choice, an order that appears to be on our side rather than the rank exploitation and false narrative fighting against us that we experience daily.

I'm not convinced that the whole range liberal doctrines is pushing any revival, there are opportunities outside of unhappy marriages for instance, that genie is well out of the bottle, but the abortion question is being examined more thoroughly by those affected I believe while wokeism is viewed as an annoying fad rather than a reason to flock back to church.
 

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Well two things- the Traditionalist wing of the Church in general continues to take seriously the teachings on contraception and the Spiritual as well as psychological benefits of large families. Also when the Faith is not dumbed down intellectually in the home which for all their other possible faults the Traditionalists tend not to do there is much more chance of the Faith being successfully passed on but even when it isn't those kids do not turn out to be the hysterically bitter ex-Catholic types.
 

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Bocht attempting to flog that dead horse into life again.

This is the second thread on the same subject the gentleman has started.
 

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From an atheist perspective (<- that'll set Fortycoats off), why is your religion being popular so important to you? 🤔 Do you just want everyone to know the truth? And, in this day and age, why would you expect anyone to believe you if you're so anti-scientific?

Also, how does it fit into nationalism (excluding idiotic a priori arguments from @Tiger)
 

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Traditional Catholicism, the new ‘cool’ for young Americans​


June 6, 2025 at 10:45 am
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The incense is rising again.

Not just in Gothic cathedrals or Latin Mass enclaves—but in the hearts of young Americans who, against every cultural current, are swimming upstream toward Catholicism. It’s a phenomenon that baffles secular elites and liberal Protestants alike. How, in this age of deconstruction and digital nihilism, could the Church of hierarchy, ritual, and confession be considered—of all things—cool?

Yet it is. Quietly, steadily, and then suddenly. The Latin Mass is trending. Catechisms are bookmarked. Young adults are quoting Aquinas in the same breath as Camus. It’s not ironic. It’s not aesthetic. It’s not cosplay. It’s a revolt against rootlessness.

Because what looks like a religious revival is also a cultural rebellion.

We were told the future would be limitless, utterly empowering. We were told we’d be happiest with fewer rules, fewer roles, fewer traditions. Just vibes.

But the experiment failed. We’re lonelier. Sicker. Spiritually starved. In place of meaning, we got algorithms. In place of transcendence, we got TikTok therapy. And beneath the saccharine haze of self-care, many young people feel the gnawing presence of something missing.

Catholicism offers what the modern world cannot: structure. Discipline. Mystery. It doesn’t whisper that you’re perfect just the way you are. It demands transformation. It demands submission—to something older, wiser, and greater than you.

To be Catholic is to live inside a story. A two-thousand-year-old, blood-soaked, gold-threaded, world-shaping story. It has martyrs and miracles. Saints and scoundrels. Architecture that makes you weep. A God who became man. A carpenter who suffered for your sins. A virgin mother crowned in heaven. Try fitting that into a 15-second Instagram reel.

For young Americans raised on Marvel movies and deconstructionist memes, the sheer audacity of Catholicism is intoxicating. It doesn’t hedge its bets or dilute its claims. It says: This is the Body. This is the Blood. This is the Truth.

And young people, weary of euphemisms and moral relativism, are saying: Amen.
 

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AN2
"From an atheist perspective (<- that'll set Fortycoats off), why is your religion being popular so important to you? ?? Do you just want everyone to know the truth? And, in this day and age, why would you expect anyone to believe you if you're so anti-scientific?
Also, how does it fit into nationalism (excluding idiotic a priori arguments from @Tiger)"


Another great question which has exercised the best of minds, is why do atheists ask so many questions?lol. Sir Francis Bacon, the inventor of the scientific method, noticed this about 1610:
“It appeareth in nothing more, that atheism is rather in the lip, than in the heart of man, than by this; that atheists will ever be talking of that their opinion, as if they fainted in it, within themselves, and would be glad to be strengthened, by the consent of others. Nay more, you shall have atheists strive to get disciples, as it fareth with other sects. And, which is most of all, you shall have of them, that will suffer for atheism, and not recant; whereas if they did truly think, that there were no such thing as God, why should they trouble themselves?”

il fasco
"I would say people are seeking metaphysical reasons for things in their life & are finding it in religion."

I was watching a youtube video recently between a Domincan friar and a recent convert and thats kind of what they said too, that people are just looking for the spiritual. So they were saying that maybe the current generation are more into the spiritual than Gen X say.

The problem with that is that all generations of humans would have aspired to the spiritual like this, but why a revival among this generation now? You have to look for some change or difference rather than that blanket view?
 

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I'd love to know where this revival Bocht speaks of is taking place because I see no evidence for it.
 

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Just type up something like Catholic Revival in twitter and nowadays you will get mainstream articles on this from all over the world. And no, a few years ago they didn't write like that at all, then it was all about decline.
 

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Don't mind around the World. Where is it happening here?

So far your only evidence is half a dozen nerds singing Óró Sé do bheatha Bhaile in France!
 

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"From an atheist perspective (<- that'll set Fortycoats off), why is your religion being popular so important to you? ?? Do you just want everyone to know the truth? And, in this day and age, why would you expect anyone to believe you if you're so anti-scientific?
Also, how does it fit into nationalism (excluding idiotic a priori arguments from @Tiger)"
Another great question which has exercised the best of minds, is why do atheists ask so many questions?
What?? Do you think that is some sort of excuse to not answer the most straightforward questions? As well as your strawmanning and hit & runs?

If you want to just preach then declare yourself a preacher

lol. Sir Francis Bacon, the inventor of the scientific method, noticed this about 1610:


il fasco
"I would say people are seeking metaphysical reasons for things in their life & are finding it in religion."

I was watching a youtube video recently between a Domincan friar and a recent convert and thats kind of what they said too, that people are just looking for the spiritual. So they were saying that maybe the current generation are more into the spiritual than Gen X say.

The problem with that is that all generations of humans would have aspired to the spiritual like this, but why a revival among this generation now? You have to look for some change or difference rather than that blanket view?
 

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I'd love to know where this revival Bocht speaks of is taking place because I see no evidence for it.
Myles, if you spend most of your time in Paddy Power and Wetherspoons it’s possible you may miss it.

Just a thought.
 

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Traditional Catholicism, the new ‘cool’ for young Americans​

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June 6, 2025 at 10:45 am
Institute-Mass-11-1024x758.jpg



The incense is rising again.

Not just in Gothic cathedrals or Latin Mass enclaves—but in the hearts of young Americans who, against every cultural current, are swimming upstream toward Catholicism. It’s a phenomenon that baffles secular elites and liberal Protestants alike. How, in this age of deconstruction and digital nihilism, could the Church of hierarchy, ritual, and confession be considered—of all things—cool?

Yet it is. Quietly, steadily, and then suddenly. The Latin Mass is trending. Catechisms are bookmarked. Young adults are quoting Aquinas in the same breath as Camus. It’s not ironic. It’s not aesthetic. It’s not cosplay. It’s a revolt against rootlessness.

Because what looks like a religious revival is also a cultural rebellion.

We were told the future would be limitless, utterly empowering. We were told we’d be happiest with fewer rules, fewer roles, fewer traditions. Just vibes.

But the experiment failed. We’re lonelier. Sicker. Spiritually starved. In place of meaning, we got algorithms. In place of transcendence, we got TikTok therapy. And beneath the saccharine haze of self-care, many young people feel the gnawing presence of something missing.

Catholicism offers what the modern world cannot: structure. Discipline. Mystery. It doesn’t whisper that you’re perfect just the way you are. It demands transformation. It demands submission—to something older, wiser, and greater than you.

To be Catholic is to live inside a story. A two-thousand-year-old, blood-soaked, gold-threaded, world-shaping story. It has martyrs and miracles. Saints and scoundrels. Architecture that makes you weep. A God who became man. A carpenter who suffered for your sins. A virgin mother crowned in heaven. Try fitting that into a 15-second Instagram reel.

For young Americans raised on Marvel movies and deconstructionist memes, the sheer audacity of Catholicism is intoxicating. It doesn’t hedge its bets or dilute its claims. It says: This is the Body. This is the Blood. This is the Truth.

And young people, weary of euphemisms and moral relativism, are saying: Amen.
 

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Are you looking for an award for the worst reply of 2025? That’s what it looks like.
The only virtue of these sort of replies by you is brevity

Your three thousand word diatribes longer
 

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The only virtue of these sort or replies by you is brevity

Your three thousand word diatribes longer
You don’t have to apologise for being pissed James. You are what you are.
 

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Myles, if you spend most of your time in Paddy Power and Wetherspoons it’s possible you may miss it. Just a thought.
Dude you and Bochter are dreaming this stuff up in your heads.

If I went to church on Sunday all I'd see is a handful of aul 1's and a couple dozen foreigners.
 
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Bunch of squares more like
 

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Some people would point to the starting of the public Men's Rosaries in Ireland, which started four years ago, as the turning point, the start of a Catholic Revival. This was founded by Patrick McCrystal and Dr Owen Gallagher, as the latter explains here:
 

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My daughter grows up in Scandinavia so that she is not exposed to the influence of the catholic church.
 

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My daughter grows up in Scandinavia so that she is not exposed to the influence of the catholic church.
Is she exposed to any religion in Scandinavia ?

A lot of Irish Catholics have always been very A La Carte about Catholicism !

Which is the best way to handle religion ~ ~ Religion should be done in moderation ~ ~ Except when taking on the Muslims = = Then It should be Full Bore ! ! !

Full Bore against Islam !
 

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Is she exposed to any religion in Scandinavia ?

A lot of Irish Catholics have always been very A La Carte about Catholicism !

Which is the best way to handle religion ~ ~ Religion should be done in moderation ~ ~ Except when taking on the Muslims = = Then It should be Full Bore ! ! !

Full Bore against Islam !

Some Lutheranism can be extremely Male Supremacist.

I don't think that Gaelic Catholicism was really Male Supremacist at all.
 

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Some Lutheranism can be extremely Male Supremacist.

I don't think that Gaelic Catholicism was really Male Supremacist at all.
Have Women ever started a Religion that was, for Women / Dominated by Women ?

Do Women generally try to take over stuff, that was created by Men ( Mostly White Men ) ?
 

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Have Women ever started a Religion that was, for Women / Dominated by Women ?

Do Women generally try to take over stuff, that was created by Men ( Mostly White Men ) ?
Genuine question Sword ?

Maybe I could be a bit more diplomatic, in the way I ask some of these questions ?
 

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Proof that there is a Catholic revival -
Our supposed overlords hate that we plebs would even contemplate putting our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, hence the Catholic bashing by the media has started up again.
Apparently rte did a program a year ago about alleged sexual misconduct by the bishop. Without a proper investigation taking place, Bishop Casey's remains are removed from Galway cathedral.
I question the timing of this announcement, it comes hot on the heels of the Tuam excavation.
I know nothing of Bishop Eamon Casey, sure he was having relations with some adult woman, but I find it suspicious allegations of child molestation would come out many years after it allegedly happened and years after the man is dead and unable to defend himself.
Rte has a history of making false allegations and shoddy fact gathering in their documentaries, as was the case of Fr Kevin Reynolds in their "mission to prey" program. What would make one think Bishop Casey's documentary is any different?


 

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Yes but that allegation was not made in any court in any proper way. I think it was made while he was alive and the Gardai thought there wasn't enough evidence to press charges.

Yes they absolutely are ramping up the anti-Catholic propaganda, they are obviously fearful about this revival, which while small yet, is very real.
 

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James Carville, had it right. Drag a $100 bill through a trawler park and you will have all the accusers you want to say whatever you want them to say.

he is a smart man, best political strategist there has been and helped put clinton in the white house. He is from Louisiana, cajun country and is called The Raging Cajun
 

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Just done a quick question on Gemini AI as to who James Carville is. I though the last part, of the last paragraph was interesting = = Proving that it is one cosy club and ordinary people aren't in it !

"
He is a frequent commentator on cable news programs, has authored several books, and has appeared in films and television shows, often as a fictionalized version of himself. He is married to Mary Matalin, who is also a well-known political consultant but is affiliated with the Republican Party. "
 

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