The Great Replacement

Are you concerned about the Great Replacement?


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POPULARISED by the book entitled Le Grand Remplacement by French author Renaud Camus, the Great Replacement refers to demographic change (the replacement of indigenous white populations with foreign ones). Note: It is not to be confused with replacement theory, which is a conspiracy theory.


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Renaud Camus (2016). The Great Replacement in the face of media denial.



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“The Great Replacement is not a theory; it is simply a term, like the Hundred Years' War or the French Revolution. It describes a contemporary historical period and its most significant phenomenon. You can call this phenomenon by other names: mass immigration, migration flood, population and civilization change, Islamization, Africanization... More boldly, you might call it—drawing from Aimé Césaire—genocide through replacement.” - Renaud Camus
 

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United Nations report 'Replacement migration: is it a solution to declining and ageing populations?' - March, 2000

 

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POPULARISED by the book entitled Le Grand Remplacement by French author Renaud Camus, the Great Replacement refers to demographic change (the replacement of indigenous white populations with foreign ones). Note: It is not to be confused with replacement theory, which is a conspiracy theory.


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Renaud Camus (2016). The Great Replacement in the face of media denial.

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“The Great Replacement is not a theory; it is simply a term, like the Hundred Years' War or the French Revolution. It describes a contemporary historical period and its most significant phenomenon. You can call this phenomenon by other names: mass immigration, migration flood, population and civilization change, Islamization, Africanization... More boldly, you might call it—drawing from Aimé Césaire—genocide through replacement.” - Renaud Camus


I voted yes because I am concerned to the point of being angered, unnerved and depressed by a combination of a policy of mass immigration and promotion of things and economic policies bound to cause demographic harm to the historic biological core of the Irish population by the Dublin Elite.
 
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So for example, take the sensationalism of your term "genocide" above, and its appeal to emotion, its populist appeal to peoples' sense of victimhood.

Taking the most exaggerated and emotive description you can of a thing and than constantly repeating that description come metaphorical rain or shine, whatever the opposition, until by unceasing repetition it becomes "common knowledge" is not a technique invented by that former CIA agent Bob Whitaker you accuse Jambo of being a mechanial toy of. Others were there before him with this and in contemporary times it has not been "White Nationalism" which has incredibly successfully used it to great (though sinister) effect. Always beware of unintended consequences and more obvious opportunity costs.
 

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United Nations report 'Replacement migration: is it a solution to declining and ageing populations?' - March, 2000

No doubt @Mods vs Roc_ers will be along any second now to explain to you all about "cause and effect"

I once thought to ask roc if he would spend so much of his time talking about the "cause and effect" of the Nazis (allegedly) gassing six million Jews, or if he would just skip straight to the genocide part

Naturally he didn't answer
 

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It seems increasingly clear that Europe is edging toward conflict with Russia. I can’t help but wonder if one of the reasons they’ve allowed an influx of military-aged men is to have them fight on their behalf, knowing that many local young men would refuse to go to war. Who knows what incentives might be offered to persuade former extremist fighters to take up arms in a European war?
 

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It seems increasingly clear that Europe is edging toward conflict with Russia. I can’t help but wonder if one of the reasons they’ve allowed an influx of military-aged men is to have them fight on their behalf, knowing that many local young men would refuse to go to war. Who knows what incentives might be offered to persuade former extremist fighters to take up arms in a European war?

ISIS and other characters helped the EU in the Ukraine. The types of Islamist I find scary and dangerous have real "beef" with the Russian Federation.
 

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Same as what goes on around here.

Etc.

And a critical mass of idiots, just like you lot, corroborating each other, echoing and reinforcing each other.

"... It is a frightening thought that man also has a shadow side to him, consisting not just of little weaknesses- and foibles, but of a positively demonic dynamism. The individual seldom knows anything of this; to him, as an individual, it is incredible that he should ever in any circumstances go beyond himself. But let these harmless creatures form a mass, and there emerges a raging monster; and each individual is only one tiny cell in the monster’s body, so that for better or worse he must accompany it on its bloody rampages and even assist it to the utmost..."
PS Take me off "discourage" or you'll regret it, @Anderson
I don't think Andrew takes requests

I've asked him many times to increase the time limit for the horrible Last edited: stamp to be increased but he won't do it.

And I hate that (unnecessary) ugliness, I'm obsessed with aesthetics, like Steve Jobs was
 

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I voted yes because I am concerned to the point of being angered, unnerved and depressed by a combination of a policy of mass immigration and promotion of things and economic policies bound to cause demographic harm to the historic biological core of the Irish population by the Dublin Elite.
Once you understand that the "Dublin Elite", although guilty of treason, are not ultimately responsible then you'll be getting there

Or put it another way, are the "Dublin Elite" responsible for the identical policies in other white countries?
 

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Once you understand that the "Dublin Elite", although guilty of treason, are not ultimately responsible then you'll be getting there

Or put it another way, are the "Dublin Elite" responsible for the identical policies in other white countries?
I think what people fail to realise is that even if the government decide to say tomorrow that's it. No more illegals , they can't actually stop them coming in via NI
 

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Would you ever put a sock in it, Jambo.
You have falsified a post of mine, egregiously, as you have inserted a picture of a rifle used in a terrorist attack that I did not post

I can't believe that the mods let you away with your blatant and slanderous lies
 

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Would you ever put a sock in it, Jambo.
As for the text, it's probably accurate, I wouldn't know for sure (roc is a notorious liar) but so what. Nationalism is illegal
 

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Not as bad as the "great replacement", but still pretty vague in consideration that it was a hundred and sixteen years, an intermittent conflict, frequently interrupted by external factors, and several years of truces. None of which reality the popular phrase managed to convey, did it?


Also fails conveys much of the exigent reality, such as the almost two years long "Reign of Terror"? And also observing the term "revolution" itself was challengeable, the same way as "replacement". - Consider say the likes of Immanuel Kant himself saying that there was no real "revolution" understood as an unlawful and violent toppling of the old regime.


Yes, well you might apply an endless range of phrases, loaded like yours, or not.

But I'd say you probably need a few paragraphs to get across what it is we might be really talking about, and the most apposite significance of the word "replacement".

A good example would be taking a few paragraphs from @Hermit's link above, we see that is using the word "replacement" in connection with the problem of aging European populations and their economic supports.

"... the lower the levels of fertility decline, the more pronounced will be the ageing of the population of the country. One of the major consequences of population ageing is the reduction in the ratio between the population in working-age group 15-64 years and the population 65 years or older, or the potential support ratio (PSR). Everything else being equal, a lower potential support ratio means that it is much more onerous for the working-age population to support the needs of the older retired population...

... The consequences of significant population decline and population ageing are not well understood as they are new demographic experiences for countries. Keeping retirement and health-care systems for older persons solvent in the face of declining and ageing populations, for example, constitutes a new situation that poses serious challenges for Governments and civil society. Finally, the new challenges being brought about by declining and ageing populations will require objective, thorough and comprehensive reassessments of many established economic, social and political policies and programmes. Such reassessments will need to incorporate a long-term perspective.

Critical issues to be addressed in those reassessments would include (a) appropriate ages for retirement; (b) levels, types and nature of retirement and health-care benefits for the elderly; (c) labour-force participation; (d) assessed amounts of contributions from workers and employers needed to support retirement and healthcare benefits for the increasing elderly population; and (e) policies and programmes relating to international migration, in particular replacement migration, and the integration of large numbers of recent migrants and their descendants..."



Most people wouldn't say "bold", they would say that is mindless and indeed stupid sensationalism beyond all bounds of sense and reason.


So for example, take the sensationalism of your term "genocide" above, and its appeal to emotion, its populist appeal to peoples' sense of victimhood.

Observe how it succeeds in earning "replacement theory" the sobriquet of being a conspiracy theory (just one case).

For isn't the concept of genocide, and in this case, we do actually have formal definitions in international law, not just crap written in white supremacist online glossaries; isn't it defined as not only an action, but as an intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.

But who are you saying has this "intent"? And on what basis?

And that in a nutshell is why most people observe, and say, hey, look, these clowns spouting this "replacement theory" also have a conspiracist mindset, see, pretty much all of them. They all seem to be implying this undertone, this agenda.

So no confusion there that I can see.
The first two things that strike me about this incredibly stupid and laborious post of yours (as all of them seem to be) is -

What part of - it's not a theory, it's a term used to describe a phenomenon..

Did you not understand?

That was not a call to start comparing it with other terms, about different things

Secondly, you are replying mostly to a quote, clearly a quote, with the attribution, as if they were my words

I mean, you're mentally retarded, I've always said that you're mentally retarded it's just that your most prominent intellectual feature is that you're insane
 

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I beg your pardon. All I did was illustrate your words. It's obvious it's an added illustration because you can click on the post to go back to the original you made.
I did not post a picture of a rifle used in a terrorist attack

Luckily for you, the mods love you and your egregious slander will no doubt go unpunished
 

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Yes but his manifesto was almost verbatim what you spout on here. You see.
Is there any part of you that understands that you have absolutely nothing? Trying to compare me with a terrorist?

Do I ever try to compare you with a scumbag IDF soldier who murders innocent women and children? No, because you haven't done that
 

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The "number of those killers" is approximately zero

Which is why you have to keep on scraping the barrel for the likes of Anders Breivik from twenty years ago
 

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There is nobody on discouraged. Maybe they should pay for decent internet
 

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Same as what goes on around here.

Etc.

And a critical mass of idiots, just like you lot, corroborating each other, echoing and reinforcing each other.

"... It is a frightening thought that man also has a shadow side to him, consisting not just of little weaknesses- and foibles, but of a positively demonic dynamism. The individual seldom knows anything of this; to him, as an individual, it is incredible that he should ever in any circumstances go beyond himself. But let these harmless creatures form a mass, and there emerges a raging monster; and each individual is only one tiny cell in the monster’s body, so that for better or worse he must accompany it on its bloody rampages and even assist it to the utmost..."

PS Take me off "discourage" or you'll regret it, @Anderson

Though Hitler defended him on personal grounds Julius Streicher was under house arrest for a large part of the existence of the Hitlerite regime and the Hitler Youth was banned from reading his material for a much longer period. No doubt in part because his material was of great use to their political enemies a lot of the NSDAP loathed Julius Streicher. Actually under the Hitlerite regime issues of Der Strummer were banned including the (in)famous dealing with the subject of Jewish Ritual Murder. Once the NSDAP took power Der Sturmmer also started to spend most of it's time attacking the government for not being anti-Jewish enough and not enforcing it's anti-Jewish legislation.

 

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Breivik, Roofe, Bowers, Tarrant, Earnest, Crusius, Manshaus, Balliet, Jackson, Gendron, whose manifesto I posted above...

All were motivated by race, they all had been radicalised online, influenced by similar ecosystems of web forums like this one, and all espoused the "Great Replacement" theory etc.

Both in terms of demographic and ideology this forum is radically different from the old Iron March one- it is not a similar ecosystem at all. Renaud Camus by the way is a militant homosexualist, a pornographer and a pro-Zionist Jew who is concerned similarly to yourself about "Antisemitism". I would not though lump in most people in Ireland against what they call "homophobia" with him in a similar manner to how I would not lump in Jambo with Tarrant, etc.
 
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I know what you chaps are at. There was nothing wrong with my internet connection, and it was just your site. And when I changed IP it was fine.

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Then it was your internet.

If you were on Discourage it wouldn't matter what IP you had, your account would have the same problems all the time. The fact you said resetting your IP address fixed the problems points to the fact it was the Internet provider and or your IP address at fault to begin with.

You could have had a blacklisted IP that google discouraged with their DNS settings, or Your ISP has issues with that IP and their own DNS. IPs are randomly allocated by the service provider and can change over time if you reset your internet.

See Here
 

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Why does no one ever challenge this decrepit old clown. Who masquerades as a young wealthy lady. Daily, vomiting up the most pointless, turgid, lying shit possible.

Obviously there's a lag between the time of the propaganisation and the behaviours eventually realised.

Der Sturmer started publishing in 1923. (It was far from a lone publication. E.g. https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/pre1933.htm)

Recalling 1930 was the first significant electoral success of the Nazis. Then they went on to more than double that 1930 success in the 1932 election, winning 230 seats, twice the number as the next largest party had.

That was the result of the public imbibing over ten years of these messages (with a view to Der Sturmer itself being published from 1923 up until the end of the war).

Sure, the Nazis thought Der Sturmer was too crude and unsophisticated from around the mid 1930s to be credible. And they very occasionally made some statement or edict to try and show they were more "scientific" in their thinking, and stood apart from such a tabloid.

But it still did its job. It still continued to be published. While the press releases of the official "high brow" rationalisations of the Nazi "race" logic, and their never ending ostensible lies, slogans, accusations made of "international Jews", and of others who they blamed for all their country's problems, also did its job alongside.

And as soon as I log off or get banned for being too close to the bone, you lot, especially that fucking grey balled masquerading freak above, will just continue doing the same thing, unchallenged.

The Hitler Youth were banned from reading Der Sturmmer long before the NSDAP took power. It was not the significant phenomena among non-Jewish Germans you are making it out to be. Very similarly a large majority of Sabras today could tell you who Jon Minadeo is, if you were just going by the Modern Hebrew media you would think that he is an important and well known figure in the USA- but I doubt that Jambo has ever heard of him no mind your average American. Than on the other hand only a relatively small number of Sabras would know who Kevin MacDonald, Laurent Guyenot and Keith Woods are even though those people are a LOT better known amongst people who consider themselves to be Counter-Semites than Jon Minadeo (who I only found out about through "The Times of Israel"). Sabra for those who do not know is the term for someone from a Jewish background born in Palestine.

The anti-Christian measures of the Soviet Union and brutal bloodthirsty way Trotsky ran the Red Army during the Russian Civil War were much larger factors in the electoral rise of the NSDAP than anything Der Sturmer did, in fact if Der Sturmer had any effect it would have been to hamper that rise. Though the Jewish Question was indeed central to the leadership of the NSDAP once the Strasser faction was pushed out at least that does not mean that it was central to the bulk of NSDAP voters- I believe that it wasn't.

Also my intercessions are a big reason why you are still allowed to post on this forum (which is a virtual pub and not a "Free Speech forum")- I do not expect gratitude however a bit of civility would be pleasant.
 
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Is there any part of you that understands that you have absolutely nothing? Trying to compare me with a terrorist?

Do I ever try to compare you with a scumbag IDF soldier who murders innocent women and children? No, because you haven't done that

I do think that associating roc_ with the actions of the IDF is legitimate while I do not think associating you with Tarrant is.

roc I believe is a bad faith actor who is indeed hostile to non-Jewish indigenous Irish people however I would not use the term "the great replacement" with a Normie because it has become heavily associated with Tarrant and also the Kalgeri Plan conspiracy theory.
 

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The Hitler Youth were banned from reading Der Sturmmer long before the NSDAP took power. It was not the significant phenomena among non-Jewish Germans you are making it out to be. Very similarly a large majority of Sabras today could tell you who Jon Minadeo is, if you were just going by the Modern Hebrew media you would think that he is an important and well known figure in the USA- but I doubt that Jambo has ever heard of him no mind your average American. Than on the other hand only a relatively small number of Sabras would know who Kevin MacDonald, Laurent Guyenot and Keith Woods are even though those people are a LOT better known amongst people who consider themselves to be Counter-Semites than Jon Minadeo (who I only found out about through "The Times of Israel"). Sabra for those who do not know is the term for someone from a Jewish background born in Palestine.

The anti-Christian measures of the Soviet Union and brutal bloodthirsty way Trotsky ran the Red Army during the Russian Civil War were much larger factors in the electoral rise of the NSDAP than anything Der Sturmer did, in fact if Der Sturmer had any effect it would have been to hamper that rise. Though the Jewish Question was indeed central to the leadership of the NSDAP once the Strasser faction was pushed out at least that does not mean that it was central to the bulk of NSDAP voters- I believe that it wasn't.
Also my intercessions are a big reason why you are still allowed to post on this forum (which is a virtual pub and not a "Free Speech forum")- I do not expect gratitude however a bit of civility would be pleasant.
Good point!
 

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Stop lying. Haven't you learned by now I always know when you are lying, "Hans"?

Ah, the old, tired tale of me being Hans—seriously, that story is more played out than your logic. But wow, I didn’t think you were a conspiracy theorist! Next, you’ll be telling me the moderators are secretly lizard people. If this site truly wanted to discourage someone, why on earth would they rely on an IP block—something that can be bypassed in seconds with a VPN or a router reset—rather than simply blocking the username? Think it through. Oh wait, maybe that’s asking too much.
 

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What are you referring to?
Well, the paragraph of yours that I isolated in my reply

I don't know why roc thinks it's appropriate or acceptable to be so uncivil, up to and including with the owner of the site, Dan. I think he might just do it for pats on the head from the Gowl

Also, you're right, this isn't a "free speech forum", none of them are, but roc is always bleating about his free speech (infringements)

Although I wasn't there from the start, I think it stems from Pish. But my understanding of "free speech" there was things that you can't say on Gaychat
 

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Yet another thread derailed; where the fuckwit above makes it about himself.

Have the mods all gone to sleep?
 

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I don't know why roc thinks it's appropriate or acceptable to be so uncivil, up to and including with the owner of the site, Dan. I think he might just do it for pats on the head from the Gowl

It is the way most likely he was reared.

One of the funniest and I think most enlightening book on the JQ so to speak is entitled "The Ordeal of Civility" and very often when I read roc's posts that title is called to my mind. The author did not consider himself at all an anti-Semite and claimed to like and sympathize with Jews however Alex Linder credits it as roc_ will probably point out as making him see "the depth of the Jewish Problem" (his words not mine). The thing is that what is called the "Ashkenazi Discussion Style" actually undermines your arguments with the average Gael in my opinion.

This is a thing- when certain types of Jews in England speak about being marginalized and "England being Antisemitic" often what they mean is that a lot of English people, just as a lot of Gaels do, have an instinctive civility that in both cases I tend to find charming which often means that they are perturbed by the "Ashkenazi Discussion Style" and well people feel they have less oportunity to indulge in it when they want to.



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The replacement of white people in their own countries is a fact that no one, left, right or centre, denies. The only point of contention is whether or not the replacement is by conspiratorial design and whether it will reach its natural conclusion of total replacement.

Replacement is observable: walk down any street, go into any shop, go to the restaurant, get on the bus...everywhere we go now we cannot avoid seeing foreigners. Some areas of cities and towns are less than 50% Irish now.

Replacement is measurable: census statistics show the decline in native populations and the rise in non-native numbers. Pre-2000, the population of Ireland was well over 90% native Irish, now it's down to 80%, maybe less. If the trends continue with mass immigration and the native Irish fertility rate below replacement level, it will result in our eventual replacement. Even the Irish Times reported on this in 2005.

Replacement is celebrated: liberals celebrate the replacement, but they call it diversity or multiculturalism. They think it's a great thing and that it is racist to think otherwise.

Is the replacement intentional? There is plenty of evidence to suggest so. The replacement is happening concurrently across all white nations. Governments are aware it is happening and they have the power to control it or stop it, but they do not. They not only enable it, they aggressively promote the replacement via propaganda in media and academia, and they punish natives who resist with their hate crime laws.
 

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I do think that associating roc_ with the actions of the IDF is legitimate while I do not think associating you with Tarrant is.
Where does his argument lead?

So no one can have certain beliefs (truths) and speak of them because someone of those same beliefs committed a terrorist act. Should there have never been a Republican, or a Loyalist?

roc I believe is a bad faith actor who is indeed hostile to non-Jewish indigenous Irish people however I would not use the term "the great replacement" with a Normie because it has become heavily associated with Tarrant and also the Kalgeri Plan conspiracy theory.
I wouldn't use "Kalergi Plan" myself, which literally is a conspiracy theory (it has a person named after it) unless for perhaps just meaning (with like-minded people)

To be honest though, most "normies", if they've ever heard of the Great Replacement have been programmed to think - "conspiracy theory". It makes you wonder if the bait and switch is on purpose
 

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I didn't say "resetting my IP address fixed the problem". I said switching to another IP address, a completely different one, worked.

I.e. Which can only have meant it must have been something aimed at that particular IP address that I was using on one work station, or possibly a whole address range.

More bullshit.


Yeah, yeah. Shut it, Hans.


Because you want to hide what you're talking about from anyone who is going to take you by the scruff of your ear.

Logged in or logged out. And you know if you ban me from here, I will probably go talk somewhere else about you with no restraints on what I say about the fucking state of you all, and your ideas.

As you said, before, I'd give an aspirin a headache.

Speaking of which, to bring this back on topic, maybe we could quote perhaps the greatest wag on Irish fora and what he said about your own posts on this same topic before?

"... Apparently, we all need to be on the look-out for The Calorie Plan - the plan to replace all white bread with brown bread.
And The Camomile Plan - which wants to moisturize us all.
And indeed The Cartography Plan - which wants to show us maps whether we want to see them or not.
Then there's The Cunnilingus Plan - where he trots out his Ma on the back of a horse and cart with her fat thighs spread and an infinite black hole on display.

Stupid is as stupid does, no..."


So, back on topic with you all now. Thanks.
Jesus, you are seriously deranged.

How hard is it for you to understand, if Dan wanted you to be discouraged he would discourage your username, it's pointless discouraging your IP because it can be easily changed.

Hence, nobody has put you on discouragement.
 

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The replacement of white people in their own countries is a fact that no one, left, right or centre, denies. The only point of contention is whether or not the replacement is by conspiratorial design and whether it will reach its natural conclusion of total replacement.

Replacement is observable: walk down any street, go into any shop, go to the restaurant, get on the bus...everywhere we go now we cannot avoid seeing foreigners. Some areas of cities and towns are less than 50% Irish now.

Replacement is measurable: census statistics show the decline in native populations and the rise in non-native numbers. Pre-2000, the population of Ireland was well over 90% native Irish, now it's down to 80%, maybe less. If the trends continue with mass immigration and the native Irish fertility rate below replacement level, it will result in our eventual replacement. Even the Irish Times reported on this in 2005.

Replacement is celebrated: liberals celebrate the replacement, but they call it diversity or multiculturalism. They think it's a great thing and that it is racist to think otherwise.

Is the replacement intentional? There is plenty of evidence to suggest so. The replacement is happening concurrently across all white nations. Governments are aware it is happening and they have the power to control it or stop it, but they do not. They not only enable it, they aggressively promote the replacement via propaganda in media and academia, and they punish natives who resist with their hate crime laws.
Great post!

@Hermit 1 - 0 @Mods vs Roc_ers
 

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Where does his argument lead?

So no one can have certain beliefs (truths) and speak of them because someone of those same beliefs committed a terrorist act. Should there have never been a Republican, or a Loyalist?


I wouldn't use "Kalergi Plan" myself, which literally is a conspiracy theory (it has a person named after it) unless for perhaps just meaning (with like-minded people)

To be honest though, most "normies", if they've ever heard of the Great Replacement have been programmed to think - "conspiracy theory". It makes you wonder if the bait and switch is on purpose

I said roc_ and not Zionists in general.

There are a lot of people who believe who believe that Jews are primarily responsible for mass immigration into the West but correctly do not believe in the Kalergi Plan conspiracy which is easily disproven.
 

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I said roc_ and not Zionists in general.
Probably crossed wires here..

@Mods vs Roc_ers is against white nationalism because white nationalists (tiny in number) have committed acts of terrorism

So is he also against Republicanism or Unionism, for the same reason?

There are a lot of people who believe who believe that Jews are primarily responsible for mass immigration into the West but correctly do not believe in the Kalergi Plan conspiracy which is easily disproven.
There are indeed a lot of people who believe that but that would be a conspiracy theory

Replacement is an observable, empirical fact. That actually no one denies, except for dopes like roc
 

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Especially the women
I for the life of me cannot comprehend these evil hags throwing their grandchildren to the wolves for some obvious invasory force. Weaponised empathy. In the days of Charles Martel they would have handed their men the stones, swords and boiling oil required to repel invading armies.
Universal suffrage was a mistake, not just for women, but for men also. Soyboys vote similarly to hags.
 

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I for the life of me cannot comprehend these evil hags throwing their grandchildren to the wolves for some obvious invasory force. Weaponised empathy. In the days of Charles Martel they would have handed their men the stones, swords and boiling oil required to repel invading armies.
Universal suffrage was a mistake, not just for women, but for men also. Soyboys vote similarly to hags.

When you are talking about the people with real power I do not think that empathy comes into this at all.
 

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