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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hermit" data-source="post: 120120" data-attributes="member: 216">You told me in the FE thread that gravity is mass attracting mass, now you're going with the spacetime nonsense.Newtonian gravity = a force that causes mass to attract mass (no spacetime)Einsteinian gravity = not a force, curvature of spacetimeIf you cannot tell the difference, okay.Tested how? The 1919 solar eclipse? That is not a scientific experiment because an experiment requires the one doing the experiment to manipulate an independent variable (the presumed cause of a natural phenomenon). Observing a solar eclipse and claiming it proves anything is not an experiment.Any "test" of General Relativity takes the following form:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If GR is true, we will observe X.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We observe X, therefore GR is true.</li> </ul>...which is an affirming the consequent fallacy. For example, if someone claimed unicorns cause deflection of light by the Sun during a solar eclipse, they could use the following fallacious argument:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If unicorns exist, then we will observe deflection of light by the Sun during a solar eclipse. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We observe deflection of light by the Sun during a solar eclipse, therefore unicorns exist." </li> </ul>Also, "thought experiments" are not scientific experiments.General relativity <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_relativity#Experimental_evidence" target="_blank">does not have a hypothesis</a> which is an essential component of the scientific method.</blockquote>

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