"Tommy Robinson" arrested at "March Against Antisemitism" Rally.

[Agobard Admirer]

You're paraphrasing him to deliberately misrepresent him. He says anyone no matter their skin colour, or "race", who loves and is devoted to Britain, and its people, and way of life, and heritage, and values, can be a British nationalist. (Idiots like Jambo could learn a lot about a worthwhile nationalism from that).

Drug particularly cocaine abuse and alcoholism are major problems for the British people, especially the British people who make up his audience. If he was a Nationalist Tommy would address these problems as well as the power that Washington and Tel Aviv exercise over Westminster. He lives in Spain with an Irish Passport in order to dodge tax. He is not any type of serious Nationalist. At most he is a revival of the type of Jingoistic Music Hall entertainer that enjoyed popularity of a kind in England during the Late Victorian and Edwardian eras.

 

[Haven]

Haven let slip that the only way he could think of a non-white (speaking with an Irish accent) as Irish would be if he was to wear a blindfold.

Another obvious lie.

You really are in trouble if you need to stoop to lies and made up quotes.

 

[The Equalizer]

Another obvious lie.

You really are in trouble if you need to stoop to lies and made up quotes.

Haven, I've banned you from the other thread, but I will indulge you for one or two posts in this one..

Why did you introduce the idea of wearing a blindfold?

 

[Haven]

Haven, I've banned you from the other thread, but I will indulge you for one or two posts in this one..

Why did you introduce the idea of wearing a blindfold?

So you dont actually know why.

That was easy.

 

[The Equalizer]

So you dont actually know why.

That was easy.

Correct.

I don't know why you did something.

Would you care to tell us?

 

[Haven]

I've banned you from the other thread

You cant even get that right.

 

[The Equalizer]

You cant even get that right.

I've banned you from that thread in the same way I'm about to ban you from this thread..

I don't know why you did something.

Would you care to tell us?

 

[Haven]

I've banned you from that thread in the same way I'm about to ban you from this thread..

I don't know why you did something.

Would you care to tell us?

Yet you imply you do know.

Also....

Post in thread 'Andrew Gold Tackles The Taboo Topic Of Race Realism' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.co...-taboo-topic-of-race-realism.1152/post-167716

You dope.

 

[The Equalizer]

Yet you imply you do know.

And I will continue to until you tell us.

Last chance to tell us and then you're banned..

Also....

Post in thread 'Andrew Gold Tackles The Taboo Topic Of Race Realism' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.co...-taboo-topic-of-race-realism.1152/post-167716

You dope.

 

[Roc_]

Drug particularly cocaine abuse and alcoholism are major problems for the British people, especially the British people who make up his audience. If he was a Nationalist Tommy would address these problems as well as the power that Washington and Tel Aviv exercise over Westminster. He lives in Spain with an Irish Passport in order to dodge tax. He is not any type of serious Nationalist. At most he is a revival of the type of Jingoistic Music Hall entertainer that enjoyed popularity of a kind in England during the Late Victorian and Edwardian eras.

So now nationalists need to be running drug clinics to win the nationalist badge?

Any worthwhile nationalism is about thinking your own country is worth something. It's got fuck all to do with anything else, whether running methoadone clinics or chanting about "anti-whites" and listening to the likes of Morgosh.

You're a retarded deviant.

 

[Agobard Admirer]

So now nationalists need to be running drug clinics to win the nationalist badge?

Any worthwhile nationalism is about thinking your own country is worth something.

Who said anything about needing to run drug clinics in order to be a nationalist?

Jeffery Epstein and Steve Bannon who for all their lack of moral character were not lacking in raw intelligence and political acumen observed that Tommy Robinson did not believe that Britain was worth very much at all, in fact they sniggered about this ("that is why the pound is so weak") and him as if he was some desperate street hooker ("cheap at any price", etc). Now of course England is not really his country, Ireland is, and there have been English ethno-nationalists who have believed that Tommy Robinson is primarily driven by an Irish Republican type animus against England and the English, even not unintelligent figures like Simon Tomlin have toyed with this idea. However I don't see that him having anymore sense of love and duty towards Ireland than he has towards England (he has chosen to live in Spain after all).

'Cheap at any price': Jeffrey Epstein and Steve Bannon texted about Tommy Robinson

Jeffrey Epstein and Steve Bannon discussed Tommy Robinson’s contempt of court conviction from 2019, newly released documents have revealed

www.thenational.scot

'Backbone of England': Epstein and Steve Bannon discuss Tommy Robinson

Messages show convicted paedophile and former Trump strategist discussing the far-right British activist

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

There's nothing there insulting Tommy. They're talking about England.

Bannon loves Tommy. He's always complementing him in The War Room.

 

[Roc_]

I'll let Myles address the facts of the matter.

While I'll just say something about this, because it's something at the root of a lot of what goes on around here, including discussion about Tommy Robinson on this thread.

Jeffery Epstein and Steve Bannon who for all their lack of moral character were not lacking in raw intelligence and political acumen observed that...

Do you not understand that an observer is the sum of the above?

You can have all the raw intelligence and political acumen in the world, but if you are possessed of an indecency (like many of these neo-Nazis like Keith Woods or Mark Collet are possessed) then that also colours your observation.

More than colours it, it creates it in a sense.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Tommy in airport row



View: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1673268741469178

 

[The Equalizer]

Average Tommytard -

 

[Roc_]

Average Tommytard -

View attachment 9293

Well I hate to break it to you Jambo, but the vast majority would agree that he's a lot more correct than you are - in talking about what is significant in any idea of talking about the "race" of a people.

E.g. You could read the below (it might do you a lot of good and even finally make a worthwhile "nationalist" out of you).

The Story of the Irish Race by Seumas MacManus-Assisted by Several Irish Scholars - First Edition Books, Dublin, Ireland - First Editions Books Dublin

Very fine hardcover with dust jacket. New Revised Edition by Devin-Adair. The Story of the Irish Race is indispensable for anyone who wants to understand the Irish people.-their political struggle, their magnificent literature, and their great contribution to Western Civilization, a contribution...

firsteditions.ie

Isn't the above exactly the kind of thing that this chap is talking about?

 

[The Equalizer]

I don't think of ethnicity as race.

 

[Agobard Admirer]

Tommytards are a lot like Feminists in that they feel automatically entitled to everyone's respect. Anyone caring about people you yourself do not respect not respecting you in turn is being at best silly. Caring about being respected or not also leaves you open to massive manipulation by wicked people who are willing to go through the motions of respecting you in order to get things out of you that otherwise they could not.

 

[Roc_]

I don't think of ethnicity as race.

Yeah, well you're a neo-Nazi, essentially.

Back in the real world of relatively normal people, most people use the word "race" in one of two ways.

Either in (a) the sense of early 20th-century vocabulary where "race" broadly denoted shared heritage, culture, historical continuity, ancestral lineage as opposed to the sense of late twentieth century biological racism (since discredited).

(b) To talk about late twentieth century biological racism (since discredited) and its evils.

In 1921, when that book was published, the word "race" referred to the former.

Te point being, choose your nationalism. - Are you talking about "The Irish race" in the sense of that book? Or the "white race" in the sense of your US and UK pondlife neo-Nazis.

The vast majority see one of those choices as indecent. And they see te other choice, like that chap above, as something justifiably to be proud of.

 

[The Equalizer]

Race is an umbrella of ethnicity.

To think of ethnicity as a race means that there are lots and lots of races.

 

[The Equalizer]

Tommytards are a lot like Feminists in that they feel automatically entitled to everyone's respect. Anyone caring about people you yourself do not respect not respecting you in turn is being at best silly. Caring about being respected or not also leaves you open to massive manipulation by wicked people who are willing to go through the motions of respecting you in order to get things out of you that otherwise they could not.

What they believe is the orthodoxy.. this always gives people a sense of entitlement.

 

[Roc_]

Tommytards are a lot like Feminists in that they feel automatically entitled to everyone's respect. Anyone caring about people you yourself do not respect not respecting you in turn is being at best silly. Caring about being respected or not also leaves you open to massive manipulation by wicked people who are willing to go through the motions of respecting you in order to get things out of you that otherwise they could not.

It's desperately clear what your meaning is here. You are like your pet Jew hating Islamists in their subjugation of women. Bigots like you who believe that if they do not properly subjugate their wife and women they can’t be an Islamist, because they would be accepting the other as an equal. Like you the best they see in them is as breeding factories to raise Jihad warriors. This Islamist type perception of the woman, and their refusal to deal with otherness as something equal, is clearly something at the very core of your antisemitism.

 

[The Equalizer]

It's desperately clear what your meaning is here. You are like your pet Jew hating Islamists in their subjugation of women. Bigots like you who believe that if they do not properly subjugate their wife and women they can’t be an Islamist, because they would be accepting the other as an equal. Like you the best they see in them is as breeding factories to raise Jihad warriors. This Islamist type perception of the woman, and their refusal to deal with otherness as something equal, is clearly something at the very core of your antisemitism.

View: https://t.me/theAureusPress/37218

 

[The Equalizer]

It's desperately clear what your meaning is here. You are like your pet Jew hating Islamists in their subjugation of women. Bigots like you who believe that if they do not properly subjugate their wife and women they can’t be an Islamist, because they would be accepting the other as an equal. Like you the best they see in them is as breeding factories to raise Jihad warriors. This Islamist type perception of the woman, and their refusal to deal with otherness as something equal, is clearly something at the very core of your antisemitism.

Okay, that ^ post wasn't a reply to me. And @Agobard Admirer probably has a bit more of a fondness for the "Islamists" than me..

You're still doing your Venn diagram crap.

 

[Agobard Admirer]

Okay, that ^ post wasn't a reply to me. And @Agobard Admirer probably has a bit more of a fondness for the "Islamists" than me..

You're still doing your Venn diagram crap.

There is a comical side to it but at the same these type of people often want to suppress what they consider to be "Nazi", "Communist" and "Islamist" (their considerations here are often inaccurate to put it charitably) and they stand a decent chance of success in many places throughout the West (even while they love to wax lyrical about how they are in favour of "Free Speech").

 

[The Equalizer]

There is a comical side to it but at the same these type of people often want to suppress what they consider to be "Nazi", "Communist" and "Islamist" (their considerations here are often inaccurate to put it charitably) and they stand a decent chance of success in many places throughout the West (even while they love to wax lyrical about how they are in favour of "Free Speech").

Well, the intersectionality (pun intended) with @Roc_'s Venn diagram crap is always about "antisemitism"

Yes, he is against free speech but, laughably, claims that he isn't (in the same way they all do..)

 

[Agobard Admirer]

Do you not understand that an observer is the sum of the above?

You can have all the raw intelligence and political acumen in the world, but if you are possessed of an indecency (like many of these neo-Nazis like Keith Woods or Mark Collet are possessed) then that also colours your observation.

More than colours it, it creates it in a sense.

Sometimes you make very revealing posts such as the important one above which deserves a proper reply (which this is not). Virtue epistemology has a degree of truth, but other factors also come into play and so we cannot accept it neat and unnuanced as is appears above. Virtue epistemology was also at the root of what "close mindedness" if not censoriousness existed in the Catholic Ireland of the 20 th century- though I doubt any Catholic took it's logic as far as you do there. St Thomas Aquinas was willing to learn from not just Muslims and Jews but actual Pagans. Did it occur to you that taking the unusual vantage points that they do that a Keith Woods might be able to see things in reality that a "Normie" would miss and that it might be possible to learn from him without adopting his world view? In the Pirkei Avot (4:1) Ben Zoma says "Who is wise? He who learns from all men". I agree though I am sure that you and the Rabbis of today will have plenty of arguments about why he did not actually mean the clear meaning of the text.

 

[Roc_]

Yes, he is against free speech but, laughably, claims that he isn't (in the same way they all do..)

You complete twat.

Jambo, I'm on here ensuring you fully exercise your free speech.

You know, "free speech" is not just being given a platform to spam your stupid neo-Nazi "edge-lord" memes and videos, under the protection of "Hans" or Dan sanctioning people who point out your ignorance, stupidity, indecency, and neurodivergent pathology.

So I come on here and insist you try to defend yourself. The fact you so miserably fail to do this is not a failure of "free speech" in fact it is the exact opposite!

Those who disagree with your resurrection of these discarded ideologies and who disagree with your import to this country of all this syndicated racism and antisemitism, have a full right to exercise their own free speech to say exactly what they think both of the content itself, and of people like you who are sucked into to it!

Of course the exercise of my own free speech includes the diligent observation and analysis of online personas like yours or Agobard's - towards explaining, clarifying, illustrating, demonstrating, and illuminating your intentions.

That, I hate to break it to you Jambo, is part and parcel of free speech. It's how it works.

This world is not a world where you can just petulantly assume a platform and begin insisting that everyone adopt your special limited "definitions", and "categories", and must consider like you that particular live broadcasts you declare are "seminal events" are so, etc.

It's not a place where your intentions may escape the intelligent examination and elucidation of others, even if you don't like it when they point out how similar these intentions are to those historical intentions and accompanying ideas, intrinsic to the most terrible periods in world history.

So stamp your petulant little foot all you like Jambo, the fact that people insist on you using your own words, to explain yourself, and your representations, and the fact that usually in doing so you condemn yourself (and not only yourself, but also your priests and gurus who you had hoped to help and promote), is just the way of the world, and actually precisely what free speech demands.

 

[Roc_]

... Virtue epistemology was also at the root of what "close mindedness" if not censoriousness existed in the Catholic Ireland of the 20 th century- though I doubt any Catholic took it's logic as far as you do there..

You're an ignorant and wittering lying fantasist.

Holding the ethos and pathos to account takes place at the same time as holding the logos to account, it is not either/or.

That has been the situation long before some autistic American academic for their thesis and career came up with this wikipedia entry of yours.

Logos, ethos, pathos.

Then you also attempt an even further conflation and making obscure certain facts in the sentence of yours that I've quoted. It wasn't anything remotely like this American academic stupid concept of "virtue epistemology" (sic) that was at the root of catholic Ireland.

In fact I saw a quote in a newspaper article yesterday that I think highlighted what was really at the root of it, better than anything:

"... The third complainant turned to face Gibney as she read her statement onto the record. She described how he was “hero-worshipped” by the establishment for years while she suffered the effects of his abuse.

She said she had to witness him being “feted and lauded by the establishment, hero-worshipped...

She said she was "so ashamed" as a child in relation to what Gibney had done to her in "Good Catholic Ireland" and in a "state of panic and shame that I could do that to his wife".

She said she did not tell her parents but suspects they knew or strongly suspected. She described them as "another set of victims".

"Adults, helpless to do anything" because of "the time we lived in holy Catholic Ireland", she said..."

That was the logic and manner of censoriousness that existed in the Catholic Ireland of the 20th century.

And we regularly see evidence on this forum that that exact is the manner of censoriousness that some on here apparently wish to resurrect.

Exhibit A, little idiot neo-Nazi "hero-worshipper" of Youtube and Telegram influencers, Jambo above.

 

[Agobard Admirer]

I don't think of ethnicity as race.

People interested in race in the past who also did not see ethnicity as race also believed that there were more racial groups in Europe than just "White".

PILE (George) - The Five Races Of Europe (1949) : PILE, George : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

According to the British Library Catalogue, the original wasprinted for private circulation. This PDF was scannedfrom a reprint by Sons of Liberty, Hollywood,...

archive.org

Racial realities in Europe : Stoddard, Lothrop, 1883-1950 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

4 preliminary leaves, 252 pages : 21 cm

archive.org

 

[Agobard Admirer]

That was the logic and manner of censoriousness that existed in the Catholic Ireland of the 20th century.

And we regularly see evidence on this forum that that exact is the manner of censoriousness that some on here apparently wish to resurrect.

Exhibit A, little idiot neo-Nazi "hero-worshipper" of Youtube and Telegram influencers, Jambo above.

Disputable. When people just want to attack rather than to understand than that does warp their reasoning.

There are indeed people who hold @The Equalizer views on the importance of race who do believe that absorbing cultural produce from racially alien sources to be corrupting and something which should be banned irrespective of whether we are talking about the Tao Te Ching and Mencius or "Gangsta Rap". However much has given me the impression that he is not one of their number. There is much more to being a Neo-Nazi than being hostile to Jewish power in Western societies and holding to what now some call "race realism" just as there is much more to being a Zionist than being anti-indigenous Palestinian. He is not a neo-Nazi.

 

[Roc_]

He is not a neo-Nazi.

Biological racism or scientific racism is at the very essence and core of neo-Nazi beliefs.

Note that I held off calling him a neo-Nazi for a very long time.

But I have heard more than enough to warrant it at this stage.

I take the term very seriously, I do not wield it lightly.

 

[The Equalizer]

You complete twat.

Jambo, I'm on here ensuring you fully exercise your free speech.

You know, "free speech" is not just being given a platform to spam your stupid neo-Nazi "edge-lord" memes and videos, under the protection of "Hans" or Dan sanctioning people who point out your ignorance, stupidity, indecency, and neurodivergent pathology.

So I come on here and insist you try to defend yourself. The fact you so miserably fail to do this is not a failure of "free speech" in fact it is the exact opposite!

Those who disagree with your resurrection of these discarded ideologies and who disagree with your import to this country of all this syndicated racism and antisemitism, have a full right to exercise their own free speech to say exactly what they think both of the content itself, and of people like you who are sucked into to it!

Of course the exercise of my own free speech includes the diligent observation and analysis of online personas like yours or Agobard's - towards explaining, clarifying, illustrating, demonstrating, and illuminating your intentions.

Countless times by posting a picture of Dylann Roof

That, I hate to break it to you Jambo, is part and parcel of free speech. It's how it works.

This world is not a world where you can just petulantly assume a platform and begin insisting that everyone adopt your special limited "definitions", and "categories", and must consider like you that particular live broadcasts you declare are "seminal events" are so, etc.

It's not a place where your intentions may escape the intelligent examination and elucidation of others, even if you don't like it when they point out how similar these intentions are to those historical intentions and accompanying ideas, intrinsic to the most terrible periods in world history.

So stamp your petulant little foot all you like Jambo, the fact that people insist on you using your own words, to explain yourself, and your representations, and the fact that usually in doing so you condemn yourself (and not only yourself, but also your priests and gurus who you had hoped to help and promote), is just the way of the world, and actually precisely what free speech demands.

 

[The Equalizer]

Disputable. When people just want to attack rather than to understand than that does warp their reasoning.

There are indeed people who hold @The Equalizer views on the importance of race who do believe that absorbing cultural produce from racially alien sources to be corrupting and something which should be banned irrespective of whether we are talking about the Tao Te Ching and Mencius or "Gangsta Rap". However much has given me the impression that he is not one of their number. There is much more to being a Neo-Nazi than being hostile to Jewish power in Western societies and holding to what now some call "race realism" just as there is much more to being a Zionist than being anti-indigenous Palestinian. He is not a neo-Nazi.

Keeping the spectre of Hitler/Nazis alive is supremely important to @Roc_, ingrained even. And it's why white people can't have nationalism.

 

[Agobard Admirer]

Biological racism or scientific racism is at the very essence and core of neo-Nazi beliefs.

Many Libertarians who are very far from being Neo-Nazis hold to biological or scientific racism. Most Neo-Nazis show very little interest in the details of what used to be called "racial science". "Racial science" within the Hitlerite regime was actually far less mechanistic and more varied than it's counterparts in the United States (which in many places had stricter eugenic laws) as Amit Varshizky who is both a Sabra and a "Centrist" Zionist has shown (I highly recommend his book "The Metaphysics of Race: Science and Faith in the Nazi Worldview"). Biological racism was arguably just as important if not more important to Americanism for most of it's history as it was for Hitlerism yet I do not think we can conflate Americanism with Neo-Nazism.

https://uni-jena.academia.edu/amitvarshizky

Hitler's American Model

How American race law provided a blueprint for Nazi Germany

press.princeton.edu

Liberal Jews and the American eugenics movement: A forgotten history - UW Stroum Center for Jewish Studies

Before eugenics became infamous, the movement to select and control human reproduction "to suppress defective classes" was popular among American liberals and progressives — including Jews. Graduate fellow Ari Forsyth explains.

jewishstudies.washington.edu

 

[The Equalizer]

Many Libertarians who are very far from being Neo-Nazis hold to biological or scientific racism. Most Neo-Nazis show very little interest in the details of what used to be called "racial science". "Racial science" within the Hitlerite regime was actually far less mechanistic and more varied than it's counterparts in the United States (which in many places had stricter eugenic laws) as Amit Varshizky who is both a Sabra and a "Centrist" Zionist has shown (I highly recommend his book "The Metaphysics of Race: Science and Faith in the Nazi Worldview"). Biological racism was arguably just as important if not more important to Americanism for most of it's history as it was Hitlerism yet I do not think we can conflate Americanism with Neo-Nazism.

https://uni-jena.academia.edu/amitvarshizky

Hitler's American Model

How American race law provided a blueprint for Nazi Germany

press.princeton.edu

Liberal Jews and the American eugenics movement: A forgotten history - UW Stroum Center for Jewish Studies

Before eugenics became infamous, the movement to select and control human reproduction "to suppress defective classes" was popular among American liberals and progressives — including Jews. Graduate fellow Ari Forsyth explains.

jewishstudies.washington.edu

Race realism doesn't advocate for eugenics and there isn't a calipers in sight.

When I say that race realism is scientific racism I should really emphasise that that's only the opposite of the race denialism part of scientific racism.

 

[Agobard Admirer]

delete

 

[Roc_]

... and there isn't a calipers in sight...

You're just to dumb to realise the implications of your pseudo racial science (also re-branded as "race realism") when applied economically, socially and politically.

For instance:

“… When you say to a man, that you are in this position because of your race or because of your colour, you say to that man that he can never get out of it…”.
(Martin Luther King)

That's how we have to think of them as a race, sadly.

If economic conditions ever got bad enough, existing institutions collapsed, and you and your ilk assumed political power, and attempted to implement your autistic classifications - like "race" and "IQ test scores" etc. - to progress whatever great intentions you had promised your idiot voters that you were going to deliver - well you would sooner or later have to get into something very like it (likely some highly technological device a thousand times more sophisticated than a "calipers", but in essence the same thing).

 

[The Equalizer]

You're just to dumb to realise the implications of your pseudo racial science (also re-branded as "race realism") when applied economically, socially and politically.

For instance:

If economic conditions ever got bad enough, existing institutions collapsed, and you and your ilk assumed political power, and attempted to implement your autistic classifications - like "race" and "IQ test scores" etc. - to progress whatever great intentions you had promised your idiot voters that you were going to deliver - well you would sooner or later have to get into something very like it (likely some highly technological device a thousand times more sophisticated than a "calipers", but in essence the same thing).

I mean it's ^ obvious.

Nazi Germany plays on loop in his head.

 

[Agobard Admirer]

Keeping the spectre of Hitler/Nazis alive is supremely important to @Roc_, ingrained even. And it's why white people can't have nationalism.

Okay first things first. One thing that I strongly suspect that Mr Roc and Justin Barrett have in common is that three hours do not pass in a day without them thinking about Hitler at least once however I am certain that not just days but weeks and months and maybe even years pass without your average Irish "Normie" having thoughts of the Austrian painter flicker across their minds. Now there have been attempts to instill into Irish in the South collective guilt for the Shoah because of things Francis Stuart and John J Kelly said and things Charles Bewley said and did but these have failed miserably. Leaving questions of the justice of the imputations made against men how many of your work colleagues, friends and family have even heard of John J Kelly and Charles Bewley? Many might not even know who Francis Stuart was. I was taught World War II from a British Jingoist standpoint and if you suggested to your average DUP voter that they should support mass immigration because of the Nazis they would look at you as if you were "touched" or even "special". I don't think that the historical memory of the Hitlerite regime is the important factor some think it is at all.