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Behind the paywall and it can stay there but you get the hysteria.

Eastern EU states ‘in fear of Russian invasion’, claims Irish Ambassador – The Irish Times https://share.google/nM9OQtOb6nQKdwLFj
On the one hand the Russians can't beat the flies off a cow-shit !

And on the other hand ~ The Russians are just over, every european hill and going to take everything off us !

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

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Behind the paywall and it can stay there but you get the hysteria.

Eastern EU states ‘in fear of Russian invasion’, claims Irish Ambassador – The Irish Times https://share.google/nM9OQtOb6nQKdwLFj
TBH they actually are, however irrational such a fear is nowadays, and it is, but try explaining that....!

In the past these countries did suffer Soviet occupation and Lithuania in particular fought an eight year guerilla war against it thinking that the Yankee cavalry would come galloping over the hill to relieve them at any time, it didn't of course.

They also had Stalin's great deportations where many were taken from their homeland and dumped in Siberia, and that to is a memory that still lingers. However, my sympathy is tempered a little by the knowledge that within Lithuania the Nazis achieved the highest clearance of Jews in any of the occupied countries, chiefly because the Lithuanians themselves turned them over for deportation, it was around 98% or some such figure.

There is also a self proclaimed Russian opposition in exile stirring the shit in the Baltic countries which doesn't induce much confidence either.
 

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The actions of an out of control wannabe dictator.

Zelensky strips prominent political opponents of citizenship – media​

Odessa mayor Gennady Trukhanov, ballet superstar Sergei Polunin and former MP Oleg Tsarev are also reportedly being targeted
Zelensky strips prominent political opponents of citizenship – media

FILE PHOTO: Ukraine's Vladimir Zelensky. © Getty Images / / Ed Ram

Vladimir Zelensky has stripped several prominent public figures of their Ukrainian citizenship. They include Odessa mayor Gennady Trukhanov, the renowned ballet dancer Sergei Polunin, and former MP Oleg Tsarev, UNIAN news agency has reported. All of them had criticized Kiev’s policies in the past.
Zelensky confirmed signing a decree stripping “certain individuals” of their Ukrainian citizenship on Telegram on Tuesday, accusing them of holding Russian passports. According to media reports, Polunin, Trykhanov and Tsarev were in the list.
Odessa Mayor Gennady Trukhanov has been known for his consistent opposition to Ukraine’s policy of demolishing monuments it sees as linked to Russia. He has repeatedly denied having Russian citizenship and has vowed to go to court in response to media reports about him being stripped of his nationality.
Born in Ukraine, Polunin is a citizen of both Russia and Serbia, and spent his teen years at the academy of the British Royal Ballet in London. He moved to Russia in the early 2010s, largely severing his ties with his home country.

Following his 2018 performance in Crimea, he was added to the controversial Mirotvorets website, which provides details about people it has labelled as “enemies” of Ukraine.
Tsarev served as a Verkhovna Rada MP from 2002 to 2014. Following the Western-backed 2014 Euromaidan coup in Kiev, he expressed his support for the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics. He has since retired from politics and settled in Crimea. In 2023, he survived an assassination attempt, which was allegedly orchestrated by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), according to the BBC.
Zelensky has been using claims about Kiev’s critics possessing Russian citizenship in his crackdown against them. Ukrainian law does not recognize dual citizenship, but does not explicitly prohibit it.
Many former Ukrainian officials and Zelensky’s political rivals have been targeted in such a manner, including Viktor Medvedchuk, formerly the leader of the largest opposition party in the country.
Metropolitan Onufry, the most senior bishop of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC), the largest Christian denomination in the country, was stripped of his Ukrainian citizenship in July amid allegations that he was also a Russian national.
 

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The actions of an out of control wannabe dictator.

Zelensky strips prominent political opponents of citizenship – media​

Odessa mayor Gennady Trukhanov, ballet superstar Sergei Polunin and former MP Oleg Tsarev are also reportedly being targeted
Zelensky strips prominent political opponents of citizenship – media

FILE PHOTO: Ukraine's Vladimir Zelensky. © Getty Images / / Ed Ram

Vladimir Zelensky has stripped several prominent public figures of their Ukrainian citizenship. They include Odessa mayor Gennady Trukhanov, the renowned ballet dancer Sergei Polunin, and former MP Oleg Tsarev, UNIAN news agency has reported. All of them had criticized Kiev’s policies in the past.
Zelensky confirmed signing a decree stripping “certain individuals” of their Ukrainian citizenship on Telegram on Tuesday, accusing them of holding Russian passports. According to media reports, Polunin, Trykhanov and Tsarev were in the list.
Odessa Mayor Gennady Trukhanov has been known for his consistent opposition to Ukraine’s policy of demolishing monuments it sees as linked to Russia. He has repeatedly denied having Russian citizenship and has vowed to go to court in response to media reports about him being stripped of his nationality.
Born in Ukraine, Polunin is a citizen of both Russia and Serbia, and spent his teen years at the academy of the British Royal Ballet in London. He moved to Russia in the early 2010s, largely severing his ties with his home country.

Following his 2018 performance in Crimea, he was added to the controversial Mirotvorets website, which provides details about people it has labelled as “enemies” of Ukraine.
Tsarev served as a Verkhovna Rada MP from 2002 to 2014. Following the Western-backed 2014 Euromaidan coup in Kiev, he expressed his support for the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics. He has since retired from politics and settled in Crimea. In 2023, he survived an assassination attempt, which was allegedly orchestrated by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), according to the BBC.
Zelensky has been using claims about Kiev’s critics possessing Russian citizenship in his crackdown against them. Ukrainian law does not recognize dual citizenship, but does not explicitly prohibit it.
Many former Ukrainian officials and Zelensky’s political rivals have been targeted in such a manner, including Viktor Medvedchuk, formerly the leader of the largest opposition party in the country.
Metropolitan Onufry, the most senior bishop of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC), the largest Christian denomination in the country, was stripped of his Ukrainian citizenship in July amid allegations that he was also a Russian national.
Not out of control
Nor wannabe.
Full on midget delusional coke head actor tyrant who's going to destroy everything given the chance.
As per his handlers instructions.
 

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Zitler, a proper little despot, one who refuses to hold elections and has no mandate from the people of Ukraine.

Zelensky announces military rule in key port city​

The development follows the Ukrainian leader’s decision to strip the mayor of Odessa of his citizenship over claims that he has a Russian passport
Zelensky announces military rule in key port city

FILE PHOTO: The port of Odessa. © Getty Images / Zacharie Scheurer

Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky has announced military rule in the key Black Sea port of Odessa, which serves as an important hub for the country in receiving weapons from its Western backers.
The development follows Zelensky’s decision on Tuesday to strip Odessa Mayor Gennady Trukhanov of his Ukrainian citizenship over claims that he has a Russian passport, rendering him ineligible for the post. The top city official denied being a Russian citizen and vowed to take the matter to court to restore justice.
Trukhanov, who had led Odessa since 2014, opposed the Kiev government’s campaign to dismantle what it considered Russia-linked monuments, while describing the city as “the multicultural capital of Ukraine.”
A few months after the escalation of the Ukraine conflict in 2022, he told the Italian paper Corriere della Sera that Kiev and Moscow should engage in talks and seek compromise. The mayor also demanded that Zelensky give more autonomy to the regional authorities.
In June, Trukhanov told the locals that “Odessa is not a Russian city.” However, he did so in Russian, the first language of the majority of local inhabitants.

In a video address later on Tuesday, Zelensky said that “Odessa deserves greater protection and support. This can be achieved through a military administration.”
“Too many security issues in Odessa have gone unresolved for too long. All effective decisions will be made. I will appoint the head of the military administration in the near future,”
he said.
The governor of Russia’s Kherson Region, Vladimir Saldo, suggested in a post on Telegram that “the real reason” for Trukhanov’s removal is that “Zelensky needed to clear space and establish complete control over financial flows in Odessa, including profits from smuggling operations.”
The Russian military has repeatedly struck targets in Odessa during the conflict, reportedly hitting arms depots in the port area and facilities used to prepare naval drone attacks against Crimea and other parts of Russia.
 

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Keep going, lads, there's plenty of bigger markets than the failing EU experiment. (y)

Poland seeking EU ban on Ukrainian steel imports – Bloomberg​

Cheap, duty-free supplies are endangering the domestic steel sector, according to Warsaw officials
Poland seeking EU ban on Ukrainian steel imports – Bloomberg

FILE PHOTO. © Getty Images/Panksvatouny

Poland will seek protective measures from the EU on Ukrainian steel imports, a government official told Bloomberg on Tuesday, arguing that a glut of duty-free supply is threatening local producers.
The move follows a pattern of Warsaw making efforts to protect against Ukrainian agricultural imports last year.
Imports of Ukrainian steel to Poland jumped about half last year and rose another 27% in the first half of 2025, data from Polish steelmakers’ lobby group HIPH showed. It prompted local producers to demand a government suspension.
“We have a huge increase in imports of Ukrainian steel that is deeply pressuring our steel industry,” deputy development and technology minister, Michal Baranowski told the outlet. “So we are working with the European Commission to find a way to address it, preferably in the short term.”

The Polish steel industry has contended that Ukrainian products, which enter the market duty-free, are not subject to the same energy and environmental costs as their EU counterparts. According to data from HIPH, the surge in imports has largely been fueled by reinforcement bars, a sector where Polish mills have a competitive focus.
The European Commission has proposed a long-term mechanism to limit tariff-free steel imports from all partners, including Ukraine. The plan includes imposing a 50% duty on imports that exceed established quotas.
But the pressure from Ukrainian steel imports is already affecting wider Polish industry, with Warsaw-listed coking coal company JSW reporting last week it may need state support after five straight loss-making quarters.
“This import is threatening us here and now,” Krystian Gunia, chief financial officer at steel producer Cognor Holding told a parliamentary committee in Warsaw last week, according to Bloomberg. “We need protection now before broader EU measures take effect.”
Gunia added that the steelmaker could be forced to idle its new 800 million zloty ($217 million) rolling mill, blaming pressure from cheap Ukrainian imports.
Poland will seek an EU ban on Ukrainian steel imports once it completes a market analysis documenting the negative impact, the outlet said citing Deputy Development Minister Michal Jaros.
 

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On the one hand the Russians can't beat the flies off a cow-shit !

And on the other hand ~ The Russians are just over, every european hill and going to take everything off us !

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
It is, I think, a sign of recognition that Russia is winning however slow its progress may appear. But of course that can never be admitted or even discussed in these countries so ingrained is their hatred of the Soviets and, by extension, Russia generally.

The idea that Russia is losing and the economy is collapsing, along with the disintegration of the country itself, is a form of copium for these states as they watch the bear encroach upon Ukraine while, as far as I know, Russia has made no attempt to reassure them that it has no intentions upon the former Soviet republics..

Most of the world wants to see this war end, although of course there are the hawks in the US and UK and even the EU who have no interest in seeing it finish. What would weaken their arguments considerably would be Russia going on a charm offensive, while this may have no impact in the west of Europe and America as the media would ignore it, much of the former Soviet states have Russian as their second language and the message has a greater chance of being heard.

Of course Youtube is full of anti Russian propaganda in the languages spoken in the Baltics and Balkans, fat bearded twats pontificating to the camera mainly, but, to the best of my knowledge, they are not being countered much at all.

It is also worth pointing out that these countries still have many Russians living in them and there is a small division between the communities. Should any of the states enact hate speech laws then the courts could get busy with those who have expressed their views upon these Russian residents, but on the whole there is no great antagonism at an individual level.

Just for the record my partner is from the Baltics and a settlement over Ukraine would add somewhat to the domestic bliss.
 
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Keep going, lads, there's plenty of bigger markets than the failing EU experiment. (y)

Poland seeking EU ban on Ukrainian steel imports – Bloomberg​

Cheap, duty-free supplies are endangering the domestic steel sector, according to Warsaw officials
Poland seeking EU ban on Ukrainian steel imports – Bloomberg

FILE PHOTO. © Getty Images/Panksvatouny

Poland will seek protective measures from the EU on Ukrainian steel imports, a government official told Bloomberg on Tuesday, arguing that a glut of duty-free supply is threatening local producers.
The move follows a pattern of Warsaw making efforts to protect against Ukrainian agricultural imports last year.
Imports of Ukrainian steel to Poland jumped about half last year and rose another 27% in the first half of 2025, data from Polish steelmakers’ lobby group HIPH showed. It prompted local producers to demand a government suspension.
“We have a huge increase in imports of Ukrainian steel that is deeply pressuring our steel industry,” deputy development and technology minister, Michal Baranowski told the outlet. “So we are working with the European Commission to find a way to address it, preferably in the short term.”

The Polish steel industry has contended that Ukrainian products, which enter the market duty-free, are not subject to the same energy and environmental costs as their EU counterparts. According to data from HIPH, the surge in imports has largely been fueled by reinforcement bars, a sector where Polish mills have a competitive focus.
The European Commission has proposed a long-term mechanism to limit tariff-free steel imports from all partners, including Ukraine. The plan includes imposing a 50% duty on imports that exceed established quotas.
But the pressure from Ukrainian steel imports is already affecting wider Polish industry, with Warsaw-listed coking coal company JSW reporting last week it may need state support after five straight loss-making quarters.
“This import is threatening us here and now,” Krystian Gunia, chief financial officer at steel producer Cognor Holding told a parliamentary committee in Warsaw last week, according to Bloomberg. “We need protection now before broader EU measures take effect.”
Gunia added that the steelmaker could be forced to idle its new 800 million zloty ($217 million) rolling mill, blaming pressure from cheap Ukrainian imports.
Poland will seek an EU ban on Ukrainian steel imports once it completes a market analysis documenting the negative impact, the outlet said citing Deputy Development Minister Michal Jaros.
Marvelous isn't it. We are told that we must support and back Ukraine in every way possible, offer up our wealth and even our youth to be sacrificed on the alter of war to ensure that the heroic piano player of our times is given every possible encouragement in defeating the evil Putin!

But buy the country's steel and wheat? Oh no, can't possibly go that far!
 

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On the one hand the Russians can't beat the flies off a cow-shit !

And on the other hand ~ The Russians are just over, every european hill and going to take everything off us !

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Bit of inconsistency in the narrative regurgitation all right!
 

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It is, I think, a sign of recognition that Russia is winning however slow its progress may appear. But of course that can never be admitted or even discussed in these countries so ingrained is their hatred of the Soviets and, by extension, Russia generally.

The idea that Russia is losing and the economy is collapsing, along with the disintegration of the country itself, is a form of copium for these states as they watch the bear encroach upon Ukraine while, as far as I know, Russia has made no attempt to reassure them that it has no intentions upon the former Soviet republics..

Most of the world wants to see this war end, although of course there are the hawks in the US and UK and even the EU who have no interest in seeing it finish. What would weaken their arguments considerably would be Russia going on a charm offensive, while this may have no impact in the west of Europe and America as the media would ignore it, much of the former Soviet states have Russian as their second language and the message has a greater chance of being heard.

Of course Youtube is full of anti Russian propaganda in the languages spoken in the Baltics and Balkans, fat bearded twats pontificating to the camera mainly, but, to the best of my knowledge, they are not being countered much at all.

It is also worth pointing out that these countries still have many Russians living in them and there is a small division between the communities. Should any of the states enact hate speech laws then the courts could get busy with those who have expressed their views upon these Russian residents, but on the whole there is no great antagonism at an individual level.

Just for the record my partner is from the Baltics and a settlement over Ukraine would add somewhat to the domestic bliss.
That gives you more insight than most on some of the issues afflicting the region.
 

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That gives you more insight than most on some of the issues afflicting the region.
Indeed, the relationship has brought to me a little more understanding of the issues, but more importantly still I have come to appreciate that the Soviet education system brutally installed within its students the idea that Soviet Russia is right and everything else is wrong, it is all black and white, no nuance or grey areas allowed, and I see that this has created a way of thinking in the former Soviet countries that will still not allow any compromise, especially with Russia.
 
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No one cares.
 

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Expose of the dishonesty prevailing in the US and Europe wrt Russian casualties.


"Trump estimated that Russia has lost close to 1.5 million soldiers and stressed the immense human cost of the war."
 

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Just wipe out London entirety, it'd be doing the world a great favour in many ways.

UK masterminding Ukrainian strikes on international energy sites – FSB chief​

London’s intelligence operatives are directing Kiev’s sabotage missions in Russia, Aleksandr Bortnikov has claimed
UK masterminding Ukrainian strikes on international energy sites – FSB chief

An oil storage facility in Krasnodar Region, Russia used by the Caspian Pipeline Consortium, September 19, 2019. © Vitaly Timkiv / Sputnik


British intelligence services are directly involved in orchestrating Ukrainian attacks on internationally-owned energy sites in Russia and are plotting further operations against a key regional pipeline, Federal Security Service (FSB) Director Aleksandr Bortnikov has claimed.
Speaking on Thursday at a meeting of security chiefs in Samarkand, Uzbekistan, Bortnikov claimed that personnel from the UK’s Special Air Service (SAS) and MI6 spy agency helped plan Ukrainian drone strikes on assets of the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC) earlier this year. The consortium, which includes major US companies such as Chevron and ExxonMobil, exports Kazakh oil through Russia.
According to Bortnikov, British and Ukrainian operatives are also planning acts of sabotage against the TurkStream gas pipeline, which was launched in 2020 to supply Russian natural gas to consumers in Türkiye and several southern European nations.
He also alleged that British commandos and intelligence officers have been involved in planning Ukrainian cross-border raids and drone strikes inside Russia. The FSB chief claimed that Operation Spiderweb, in which drones were deployed from disguised compartments in trucks to strike Russian airfields this summer, was devised under British direction.
READ MORE: Ukrainian attacks on EU oil supplies are ‘sanctions’ – Zelensky
Bortnikov also accused the UK of authorizing Ukrainian targeted assassinations inside Russia.
The statements were part of a speech in which the Russian official described London’s leading role in shaping the West’s anti-Russia policies in an effort to maintain global influence amid declining power.
 

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Ran away from Zitler to avoid being conscripted only to be murdered by a Somalian animal in Dublin.
Very sad.
What a perverted world we live in.

 

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Ran away from Zitler to avoid being conscripted only to be murdered by a Somalian animal in Dublin.
Very sad.
What a perverted world we live in.

Turns Out = = Diversity certainly wasn't his Strength ! ! !
 

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Just watched a vid boasting of America's investment in its arms production, howitzer barrels in particular. They have manged to ramp up production from11 a month to err...18.

The US is not ready to fight a conventional war on any significant scale.
 

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Just watched a vid boasting of America's investment in its arms production, howitzer barrels in particular. They have manged to ramp up production from11 a month to err...18.

The US is not ready to fight a conventional war on any significant scale.
This is an incredibly dumb take, but not unusual for you.

Howtizers have been over taken in US miltary importance by HIMARS.


Howtizers are useful (and cheap) enough for a lower intensity conflict (Iraq, Afghanistan,etc) but are not nimble enough to survive in Ukraine as the Russians have discovered.

But you miss the point that the US has built their doctrine around air power to destroy enemy ground forces. The best example of that when AirLand Battle was used against Iraq in 1990. The USA military is still built to find like this.

If the US had to fight Russia conventionally in Europe, the only problem that needs to be solved is the REFORGER type sealift needed. But while it wasnt known then, its apparent now that NATO airpower would have smashed the Russians even in 2022 before a single military sealift ship docked in Europe from the US.
 
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This is an incredibly dumb take, but not unusual for you.

Howtizers have been over taken in US miltary importance by HIMARS.


Howtizers are useful (and cheap) enough for a lower intensity conflict (Iraq, Afghanistan,etc) but are not nimble enough to survive in Ukraine as the Russians have discovered.

But you miss the point that the US has built their doctrine around air power to destroy enemy ground forces. The best example of that when AirLand Battle was used against Iraq in 1990. The USA military is still built to find like this.

If the US had to fight Russia conventionally in Europe, the only problem that needs to be solved is the REFORGER type sealift needed. But while it wasnt known then, its apparent now that NATO airpower would have smashed the Russians even in 2022 before a single military sealift ship docked in Europe from the US.
Bollux, go tell it to the kindergarten.
 

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As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. None.

Lipstick on a pig.

It's because they can't make gun barrels fast enough, and those they do produce are being sent to Ukraine, that's why.
 

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Lipstick on a pig.

It's because they can't make gun barrels fast enough, and those they do produce are being sent to Ukraine, that's why.
Look, Pervert thinks men can have babies and it's ok to have sex with children.
Ya gotta know the type of dirt you're dealing with.(y)
 

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Look, Pervert thinks men can have babies and it's ok to have sex with children.
Ya gotta know the type of dirt you're dealing with.(y)
It's that little shit's support for the covid measures and the untold misery and psychological damage it caused which want's me to fetch a pitch fork and rope to him and his buddies.
 

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"Lipstick on a pig" :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:


"The success of HIMARS and M270 in Ukraine has not been lost on other militaries. Many other nations field them, and Russia recently complained about the first HIMARS live firing in Estonia last month. The ability to move about the battlefield and put targets at risk anywhere with pinpoint accuracy within a 50-mile ring (for GMLRS, much longer for ballistic missiles), fire, and then scoot away before the enemy can fire back, is a massive force multiplier. These systems will be capable of firing the Extended Range GMLRS too, which will increase the range to 93-miles. Other weapons, from drones to cruise missiles, could also be integrated into the launcher pods."
 

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This is an incredibly dumb take, but not unusual for you.

Howtizers have been over taken in US miltary importance by HIMARS.


Howtizers are useful (and cheap) enough for a lower intensity conflict (Iraq, Afghanistan,etc) but are not nimble enough to survive in Ukraine as the Russians have discovered.

But you miss the point that the US has built their doctrine around air power to destroy enemy ground forces. The best example of that when AirLand Battle was used against Iraq in 1990. The USA military is still built to find like this.

If the US had to fight Russia conventionally in Europe, the only problem that needs to be solved is the REFORGER type sealift needed. But while it wasnt known then, its apparent now that NATO airpower would have smashed the Russians even in 2022 before a single military sealift ship docked in Europe from the US.
That's no issue with the that observation.
You keep pumping out Chatham house crap here.
That's fine thanks.
People can see it for the deluded hopium it's been for decades.
What's not fine is your sneering attitude to a poster.
You provide all the incredibly dumb we need.
Cut it out.
 

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That's no issue with the that observation.
You keep pumping out Chatham house crap here.
That's fine thanks.
People can see it for the deluded hopium it's been for decades.
What's not fine is your sneering attitude to a poster.
Im just giving it back. Sneering is what every poster here does. Im actually tame in comparison.

But its a very dumb take all the same, as Ive clearly explained. Tube artillery does not have the power, flexibility or reach that rocket systems have.

Everyone is buying or building.

MAF had no counterargument.

You provide all the incredibly dumb we need.
What just happened to "What's not fine is your sneering attitude to a poster." :LOL:

Cut it out.
Sure.

I assume this will apply to everyone here from now on.

But of course, it wont.
 
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Im just giving it back. Sneering is what every poster here does. Im actually tame in comparison.

But its a very dumb take all the same, as Ive clearly explained. Tube artillery does not have the power, flexibility or reach that rocket systems have.

Everyone is buying or building.

MAF had no counterargument.


What just happened to "What's not fine is your sneering attitude to a poster." :LOL:


Sure.

I assume this will apply to everyone here from now on.

But of course, it wont.
MAF had no counterargument.

Maybe I have a proper job and haven't the time to go scurrying around the web looking for articles from blatantly self serving publications.
 

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Anyway -

U.S.-made satellite-guided munitions in Ukraine have failed to withstand Russian jamming technology, leading Kyiv to cease using certain Western-provided armaments after effectiveness rates dropped sharply, according to The Washington Post.

Russia’s jamming of the guidance systems of modern Western weapons, including Excalibur GPS-guided artillery shells and the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), has diminished Ukraine’s ability to defend its territory. This has left officials in Kyiv urgently seeking assistance from the Pentagon to obtain upgrades from arms manufacturers.

The success rate for U.S.-designed Excalibur shells, for example, fell to less than 10 percent hitting their targets before Ukraine’s military abandoned them last year, the assessments revealed. The reports highlighted that the Excalibur technology in its current versions had lost its potential, debunking its reputation as a “one shot, one target” weapon.


See, anybody can play your silly game.
 

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U.S.-made satellite-guided munitions in Ukraine have failed to withstand Russian jamming technology, leading Kyiv to cease using certain Western-provided armaments after effectiveness rates dropped sharply, according to The Washington Post.

Russia’s jamming of the guidance systems of modern Western weapons, including Excalibur GPS-guided artillery shells and the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), has diminished Ukraine’s ability to defend its territory. This has left officials in Kyiv urgently seeking assistance from the Pentagon to obtain upgrades from arms manufacturers.

The success rate for U.S.-designed Excalibur shells, for example, fell to less than 10 percent hitting their targets before Ukraine’s military abandoned them last year, the assessments revealed. The reports highlighted that the Excalibur technology in its current versions had lost its potential, debunking its reputation as a “one shot, one target” weapon.


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