Ukraine.

He's not wrong.

Hungarian PM warns of ‘political earthquake’ in Europe​

Admitting that Kiev has failed would rattle Ukraine’s backers politically, Viktor Orban has said, accusing the West of fueling the conflict
Hungarian PM warns of ‘political earthquake’ in Europe

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Admitting Ukraine has failed in its conflict with Russia would cause a “political earthquake” in Europe, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has said. He warned that Western leaders are preparing to send troops and letting the conflict “become a business.”
Orban spoke a day after making a surprise trip to Moscow, where he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin to discuss Ukraine, trade, and energy. Despite the EU’s diplomatic boycott, he said Hungary has not yielded to pressure to cut ties with Russia and again offered to host peace talks.
Admitting that Ukraine has failed and that this cannot go on “would cause a fundamental earthquake in European politics,” he said during a speech on Saturday.
He warned that the West is increasingly open to direct involvement. “First they gave money, they gave weapons, and now it has emerged that if really necessary, they will also send soldiers,” Orban said.
Hungary doesn’t need EU’s permission to meet with Russians – foreign minister
Hungary has refused to provide weapons or troops to Ukraine and has repeatedly urged for a ceasefire. Orbán’s government has frequently clashed with NATO and the EU nations’ leaders over its stance.
Orban believes diplomacy regarding the conflict has fallen prey to the defense sector. “Business circles connected to the military industry have an increasing influence on politics,”he pointed out, citing France’s deal with Kiev to purchase 100 combat aircraft and German arms factories being built in Ukraine.
Orban also claimed the West had managed to block a peace deal early in the conflict and that the move had ultimately harmed Ukraine. “The West prevented the Ukrainians from reaching an agreement, saying that time was on their side. But it turned out that it wasn’t,” he said.
“They are in a worse position today than if they had reached an agreement in April 2022,” he added, referring to the preliminary deal reached during the Istanbul talks. Kiev unilaterally walked away from those negotiations
Nice little war going on in Ukraine there, time to make some money alright! Is Fond of Lying's hubby tied up in the arms business as well?
 
LOL's.

EU’s central bank rejects von der Leyen’s asset-theft plan​

The ECB has refused to backstop a €140 billion loan to Ukraine using frozen Russian funds, the FT has reported
EU’s central bank rejects von der Leyen’s asset-theft plan

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The European Central Bank has refused to support a proposed €140 billion payout to Ukraine backed by frozen Russian assets held at Belgium’s Euroclear, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday, citing officials familiar with the discussions.
The ECB determined that the European Commission’s scheme falls outside its mandate, the newspaper reported.
The EU has spent months trying to tap frozen Russian central bank reserves to back a €140 billion ($160 billion) “reparations loan” for Kiev. Belgium, where around $200 billion of the assets is held at the privately owned Euroclear clearing house, has repeatedly warned of potential litigation as well as financial risks if the EU goes through with the scheme.
Under the European Commission’s plan, EU nations’ governments would provide state guarantees to share the repayment risk on the loan for Ukraine.

Commission officials, however, have warned that member states might be unable to mobilize cash quickly in an emergency, risking market strains.
EU officials reportedly asked the ECB whether it could act as a lender of last resort to Euroclear Bank, the Belgian depository’s lending arm, to prevent a liquidity crunch. ECB officials told the commission this was not possible, the FT reported, citing sources familiar with the talks.
“Such a proposal is not under consideration as it would likely violate EU treaty law prohibiting monetary financing,” the ECB said.
Brussels is now reportedly working on alternative ways to provide temporary liquidity to backstop the €140 billion loan.
“Ensuring the necessary liquidity for possible obligations to return the assets to the Russian central bank is an important part of a possible reparations loan,” the FT quoted an EC spokesperson as saying.

Euroclear CEO Valerie Urbain warned last week the move would be seen globally as “confiscation of central bank reserves, undermining the rule of law.” Moscow has repeatedly warned it would view any use of its sovereign assets as “theft” and respond with countermeasures.
The push comes as the cash-strapped EU faces pressure to finance Ukraine for the next two years amid Kiev’s cash crunch, with efforts to tap Russia’s assets intensifying as the US promotes a new initiative to settle the conflict. Economists estimate Ukraine is facing a budget gap of about $53 billion a year in 2025-2028, excluding additional military funding.
The country’s public and government-guaranteed debt ballooned to unseen levels of over $191 billion as of September, the Finance Ministry said. The IMF last month raised its debt forecasts for Ukraine, now predicting public debt at 108.6% of GDP.
 
LOL's.

EU’s central bank rejects von der Leyen’s asset-theft plan​

The ECB has refused to backstop a €140 billion loan to Ukraine using frozen Russian funds, the FT has reported
EU’s central bank rejects von der Leyen’s asset-theft plan

RT composite. © Getty Images / Hans-Peter Merten; masterSergeant


The European Central Bank has refused to support a proposed €140 billion payout to Ukraine backed by frozen Russian assets held at Belgium’s Euroclear, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday, citing officials familiar with the discussions.
The ECB determined that the European Commission’s scheme falls outside its mandate, the newspaper reported.
The EU has spent months trying to tap frozen Russian central bank reserves to back a €140 billion ($160 billion) “reparations loan” for Kiev. Belgium, where around $200 billion of the assets is held at the privately owned Euroclear clearing house, has repeatedly warned of potential litigation as well as financial risks if the EU goes through with the scheme.
Under the European Commission’s plan, EU nations’ governments would provide state guarantees to share the repayment risk on the loan for Ukraine.

Commission officials, however, have warned that member states might be unable to mobilize cash quickly in an emergency, risking market strains.
EU officials reportedly asked the ECB whether it could act as a lender of last resort to Euroclear Bank, the Belgian depository’s lending arm, to prevent a liquidity crunch. ECB officials told the commission this was not possible, the FT reported, citing sources familiar with the talks.
“Such a proposal is not under consideration as it would likely violate EU treaty law prohibiting monetary financing,” the ECB said.
Brussels is now reportedly working on alternative ways to provide temporary liquidity to backstop the €140 billion loan.
“Ensuring the necessary liquidity for possible obligations to return the assets to the Russian central bank is an important part of a possible reparations loan,” the FT quoted an EC spokesperson as saying.

Euroclear CEO Valerie Urbain warned last week the move would be seen globally as “confiscation of central bank reserves, undermining the rule of law.” Moscow has repeatedly warned it would view any use of its sovereign assets as “theft” and respond with countermeasures.
The push comes as the cash-strapped EU faces pressure to finance Ukraine for the next two years amid Kiev’s cash crunch, with efforts to tap Russia’s assets intensifying as the US promotes a new initiative to settle the conflict. Economists estimate Ukraine is facing a budget gap of about $53 billion a year in 2025-2028, excluding additional military funding.
The country’s public and government-guaranteed debt ballooned to unseen levels of over $191 billion as of September, the Finance Ministry said. The IMF last month raised its debt forecasts for Ukraine, now predicting public debt at 108.6% of GDP.
government-guaranteed debt ballooned to unseen levels of over $191 billion as of September,

War is all about who has the greatest resources and it is clear that Ukraine is vastly overstretched and relying on foreign support. These debts will need to be repaid at some point.

By what right the EU thinks it has the authority to prolong this conflict, with Ukraine not even being a member, is beyond me, but that is the hubris and arrogance of Brussels for you.
 
government-guaranteed debt ballooned to unseen levels of over $191 billion as of September,

War is all about who has the greatest resources and it is clear that Ukraine is vastly overstretched and relying on foreign support. These debts will need to be repaid at some point.

By what right the EU thinks it has the authority to prolong this conflict, with Ukraine not even being a member, is beyond me, but that is the hubris and arrogance of Brussels for you.
Follow the money.
Follow Von der Lying cunt and her Perverted little cronies share portfolio......:cool:
 
What a surprise...... :cool:


Former top EU diplomat detained in anti-fraud raid – media​

Federica Mogherini has reportedly been taken into custody by Belgian police as part of a probe into alleged misuse of EU funds
Former top EU diplomat detained in anti-fraud raid – media

Federica Mogherini © Belga / Europa Press via Getty Images


The former vice-president of the European Commission and head of the bloc's foreign service, Federica Mogherini, is being held by authorities amid a police investigation into alleged misuse of EU funds, Belgian and French media reported on Tuesday.
Belgian police have carried out searches at the headquarters of the European External Action Service (EEAS) in Brussels, of which Mogherini was chief from 2014-2019, and the College of Europe in Bruges, where she has been rector since 2020. Several private residences have also been searched, Reuters reported citing the European Public Prosecutor’s Office.
Police have seized documents and detained three people on suspicion of procurement fraud, corruption, and criminal conflict of interest, according to sources familiar with the case cited by Euractive. Belgian outlet L’Echo reported that Mogherini was among the detained.
Senior EU official Stefano Sannino, who served as secretary-general of the EEAS under Mogherini when the Diplomatic Academy was established and now heads the European Commission’s department for the Middle East, North Africa, and the Gulf, has also been taken into custody.

Another College of Europe employee from the executive education department was also detained, according to an unnamed person cited by Euractiv.
The probe reportedly focuses on the college’s €3.2 million ($3.7 million) purchase of a building on Spanjaardstraat in Bruges, in 2022, shortly before receiving €654,000 in funding from the EEAS. Authorities suspect the institution may have had access to confidential information, undermining fair competition. No formal charges have been filed so far.
Investigators are reportedly examining whether the college or its representatives had prior knowledge of a public tender for the EU Diplomatic Academy, a training program for European diplomats in Bruges funded by the EEAS.
The College of Europe, established in 1949, is considered the EU’s elite training ground for diplomats and civil servants, boasting alumni who have gone on to hold senior positions in European politics and institutions. The institution prepares university graduates from member states for possible EU careers.
 

Von der Leyen’s communications under new investigation​

An EU court previously admonished the European Commission for its failure to submit its president’s messages for public scrutiny
Von der Leyen’s communications under new investigation

European Commission President Ursula Von der Leyen, and French President Emmanuel Macron, Paris, France, September 4, 2025. © Ana Lopez Garcia / Europa Press via Getty Images


The European Commission is under a new investigation over its failure to record and archive President Ursula von der Leyen’s communications, European Ombudswoman Teresa Anjinho announced on Tuesday.
The inquiry focuses on a text message von der Leyen reportedly received in January from French President Emmanuel Macron via the encrypted Signal app. The commission declined to release the message under a freedom of information request, saying it had been auto-deleted.
The text was related to EU negotiations on a contentious trade agreement with Mercosur, a bloc of Latin American nations. The deal was finalized last December but has yet to take effect.
Macron has publicly criticized the deal, which French farmers fear will expose them to heavy competition from Brazilian and Argentinian beef producers. Politico described Macron’s message as an attempt to “blow up” the treaty.

Journalist Alexander Fanta of investigative outlet Follow the Money said he filed the complaint after the commission refused to provide the text. He accused von der Leyen’s chief of staff of allowing the erasure after his formal request for it, calling that “an absolute no-no.” He added that the commission’s explanation of auto-deletion “sounds like an excuse” and should not stand.
Fanta previously sought access to von der Leyen’s text exchanges with Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla about an EU Covid-19 vaccine supply deal. The EU’s Court of Justice ruled in May that the commission’s failure to retain those messages and make them available for scrutiny was unlawful. The commission in response pledged to review its record-keeping practices.
Von der Leyen is currently facing two separate censure motions – one from the right and another from the left in the European Parliament – filed after her mid-September State of the Union speech. Lawmakers cited the Mercosur deal as one of the factors eroding confidence in her leadership.
 
The EU gowls are determined to start a direct war with Russia, a war Russia will absolutely win.

Sounds like the EU will need to find another puppet though.
 

Von der Leyen’s communications under new investigation​

An EU court previously admonished the European Commission for its failure to submit its president’s messages for public scrutiny
Von der Leyen’s communications under new investigation

European Commission President Ursula Von der Leyen, and French President Emmanuel Macron, Paris, France, September 4, 2025. © Ana Lopez Garcia / Europa Press via Getty Images


The European Commission is under a new investigation over its failure to record and archive President Ursula von der Leyen’s communications, European Ombudswoman Teresa Anjinho announced on Tuesday.
The inquiry focuses on a text message von der Leyen reportedly received in January from French President Emmanuel Macron via the encrypted Signal app. The commission declined to release the message under a freedom of information request, saying it had been auto-deleted.
The text was related to EU negotiations on a contentious trade agreement with Mercosur, a bloc of Latin American nations. The deal was finalized last December but has yet to take effect.
Macron has publicly criticized the deal, which French farmers fear will expose them to heavy competition from Brazilian and Argentinian beef producers. Politico described Macron’s message as an attempt to “blow up” the treaty.

Journalist Alexander Fanta of investigative outlet Follow the Money said he filed the complaint after the commission refused to provide the text. He accused von der Leyen’s chief of staff of allowing the erasure after his formal request for it, calling that “an absolute no-no.” He added that the commission’s explanation of auto-deletion “sounds like an excuse” and should not stand.
Fanta previously sought access to von der Leyen’s text exchanges with Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla about an EU Covid-19 vaccine supply deal. The EU’s Court of Justice ruled in May that the commission’s failure to retain those messages and make them available for scrutiny was unlawful. The commission in response pledged to review its record-keeping practices.
Von der Leyen is currently facing two separate censure motions – one from the right and another from the left in the European Parliament – filed after her mid-September State of the Union speech. Lawmakers cited the Mercosur deal as one of the factors eroding confidence in her leadership.
If Zelensky does disappear and the whole war effort collapses then Von Leyen may well find herself vulnerable and any suggestion that she has been hiding her communications will not help her cause. Here's to hoping anyway!
 
More good news.

US tells EU to hand back frozen Russian assets – Politico​

The bloc wants to use the funds to back a “reparation loan” to Ukraine
US tells EU to hand back frozen Russian assets – Politico

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US officials want the EU to return Russia’s frozen assets once it signs a peace deal with Ukraine, contradicting the bloc's plans to use them to finance Kiev, Politico reported on Tuesday, citing diplomats.
EU leaders want to issue a €140 billion ($160 billion) “reparations loan” to Kiev using frozen Russian funds as collateral, despite opposition from bloc member Belgium, which has repeatedly warned that the scheme carries financial and legal risks.
According to the outlet, American officials told the EU’s sanctions envoy, David O’Sullivan, during a visit to Washington this summer that they planned to return Russia’s frozen assets after a peace treaty is concluded.
Under the purported US 28-point peace plan leaked to media in November, $100 billion in frozen Russian assets would be invested in American-led “efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine” with Washington receiving 50% of the profits.
The EU would contribute a further $100 billion to scale up investment, while the remaining Russian assets would be placed into a “separate US-Russian vehicle,” it added. Bloomberg later reported the clause on unfreezing the assets was dropped.

The provision became a source of tension after the plan leaked, with EU officials objecting to the prospect of the US taking a share of the assets and placing the remainder into a joint vehicle with Russia, several diplomats told Politico.
Russia has welcomed US efforts; however, it stated that while the initial American proposal could serve as a basis for a settlement, a number of points would need to be clarified.
Belgium, which holds most of the frozen Russian funds, has opposed confiscation. Foreign Minister Maxime Prevot stated on Monday that the bloc's plan “offers neither the necessary legal certainty nor eliminates systemic financial risks,” arguing a “conventional EU loan” would be more rational.
The European Central Bank has also refused to support a proposed €140 billion payout to Ukraine backed by frozen Russian assets, citing risks to the euro.
Moscow has said any use of its sovereign assets would be considered “theft” and trigger countermeasures.

 
They know it's over.
Zitler is fucked.

Kiev will have to make ‘painful concessions’ to achieve peace – German foreign minister​

Ukraine may need to hold a referendum on territorial changes as part of an agreement with Russia, Johann Wadephul has said
Kiev will have to make ‘painful concessions’ to achieve peace – German foreign minister

FILE PHOTO: German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul. © Global Look Press / Elisa Schu


An end to the Ukraine conflict will most likely require “painful concessions” from Kiev, including on territorial issues, German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul has said. Its chance to stop the hostilities has “never been greater” than now, he told Neue Osnabrucker Zeitung (NOZ) on Tuesday.
His words came ahead of a meeting between US President Donald Trump’s special envoy, Steve Witkoff, and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow. They are expected to discuss the peace plan for ending the Ukraine conflict put forward by Washington last month.
The details of the initial plan have not officially been made public, but the media reported that it requires Ukraine to cede parts of Donbass (the Donetsk People’s Republic and Lugansk People’s Republic) it still controls, abandon its NATO bid, and accept limits on its military. Russia has cautiously welcomed the initiative, saying that many points of the plan are acceptable, but added that it expects the proposal to be modified by all sides.

“It is the task of diplomacy to work out compromises that the conflicting parties can support. Ultimately, this will certainly always involve painful concessions,” Wadephul said, commenting on the prospects of a negotiated settlement. According to the minister, Ukraine would need to hold a referendum on the peace conditions, including territorial concessions. He also maintained that Kiev should be offered security “assurances” in exchange.
Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky had previously named territorial issues as being among the most difficult points to resolve. The nation’s military have been losing ground for months to the continued Russian advance. On Monday, the chief of Russia’s General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, reported taking control over the key frontline city of Krasnoarmeysk (Pokrovsk) in the Donetsk People’s Republic.
Kiev’s Western backers in Europe derided Trump’s initial plan as favoring Russia too much and put forward a set of their own conditions for achieving peace, which Moscow dismissed as “unconstructive.”
Germany has been one of Ukraine’s key supporters and arms suppliers in the conflict. Berlin’s position has further hardened under the current government led by Chancellor Friedrich Merz, who had previously claimed that all diplomatic options had been “exhausted” and his nation was “already in a conflict” with Russia.

 
More good news.

US tells EU to hand back frozen Russian assets – Politico​

The bloc wants to use the funds to back a “reparation loan” to Ukraine
US tells EU to hand back frozen Russian assets – Politico

© Getty Images / Eshma


US officials want the EU to return Russia’s frozen assets once it signs a peace deal with Ukraine, contradicting the bloc's plans to use them to finance Kiev, Politico reported on Tuesday, citing diplomats.
EU leaders want to issue a €140 billion ($160 billion) “reparations loan” to Kiev using frozen Russian funds as collateral, despite opposition from bloc member Belgium, which has repeatedly warned that the scheme carries financial and legal risks.
According to the outlet, American officials told the EU’s sanctions envoy, David O’Sullivan, during a visit to Washington this summer that they planned to return Russia’s frozen assets after a peace treaty is concluded.
Under the purported US 28-point peace plan leaked to media in November, $100 billion in frozen Russian assets would be invested in American-led “efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine” with Washington receiving 50% of the profits.
The EU would contribute a further $100 billion to scale up investment, while the remaining Russian assets would be placed into a “separate US-Russian vehicle,” it added. Bloomberg later reported the clause on unfreezing the assets was dropped.

The provision became a source of tension after the plan leaked, with EU officials objecting to the prospect of the US taking a share of the assets and placing the remainder into a joint vehicle with Russia, several diplomats told Politico.
Russia has welcomed US efforts; however, it stated that while the initial American proposal could serve as a basis for a settlement, a number of points would need to be clarified.
Belgium, which holds most of the frozen Russian funds, has opposed confiscation. Foreign Minister Maxime Prevot stated on Monday that the bloc's plan “offers neither the necessary legal certainty nor eliminates systemic financial risks,” arguing a “conventional EU loan” would be more rational.
The European Central Bank has also refused to support a proposed €140 billion payout to Ukraine backed by frozen Russian assets, citing risks to the euro.
Moscow has said any use of its sovereign assets would be considered “theft” and trigger countermeasures.

The trans Atlantic gulf widens further!
 
After all the excitement over the thought that Zelensky has been ordered to step down (not sure who has the authority to do that) it appears that he has by Friday to comply and may not do so anyway.

A rather unflattering portrait of the fellow here -

As the Telegram channel's author admits, he can't answer this question definitively. The man has been under considerable pressure before, but Zelensky has evaded such orders quite skillfully. There's a lot of dirt on him, but so far he's sacrificed even close friends (hello, Mindych, and especially Yermak), evaded the sly escapades of Europe, and hid behind the backs of globalist leaders. He's definitely not going away now, even though he's out of scapegoats; he'll have to find his own way out, and he'll do it again and again.

 
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The EU gowls are determined to start a direct war with Russia, a war Russia will absolutely win.

Battle hardend Russia v the "progressive" Coalition of the willing, lead by lions like stammer, Merz, macaroon. Big question, will the "progressive" men's trenches in the battlefield have tampon supplies 🤣
 
Here's the Hard Left, Anti Imperialist, Anti Regime, Opposition Alternative President that was going to bring Historic Change.
A Regime Cunt, just like the rest of them


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Here's the Hard Left, Anti Imperialist, Anti Regime, Opposition Alternative President that was going to bring Historic Change.
A Regime Cunt, just like the rest of them


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"I can play the piano with my penis."

"How progressive!"

Not great I know, just the first thing that came to mind :)
 
Real Walter Mitty stuff above.

Back in the real world...

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too bad
how sad

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When the Trump administration is taking talking points straight from Russia, like the last Putin "peace plan", we can safely ignore this kind of rhetoric.

The actual indicators for Russia are deteriorating.
The only thing deteriorating, Pervert, is the state of your mental health. :cool:
I'd say you're gutted the Snitch account is now 'Top Poster of Month' all the same.....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Countering the lies and obvious propaganda of the EU war machine.

Europeans responsible for warmongering in Ukraine – Russian ambassador to India​

Denis Alipov has called an article by European envoys in an Indian daily a “grossly distorted” account of the Ukraine conflict
Europeans responsible for warmongering in Ukraine – Russian ambassador to India

Armed forces of Ukraine equipped with camouflage and carbine weapons. © Getty Images / Gennadiy Kravchenko

European nations are responsible for warmongering in Ukraine, Russia’s ambassador to India said on Wednesday, in reference to an op-ed published by the envoys of three countries ahead of President Vladimir Putin’s visit.
Responding to Monday’s Times of India article titled ‘World wants the Ukraine war to end, but Russia doesn’t seem serious about peace’, by the German, French, and British envoys to India, Denis Alipov said it presents a “grossly distorted” account of the Ukraine conflict.
“We should recognize that piece for what it was: yet another attempt to mislead the Indian public about the origins and context of the crisis,” Alipov wrote in an article for the Times of India. “It is therefore necessary to set the record straight once again.”
Russia never sought this situation, it was Europe and the administration of former US President Barack Obama that caused the conflict in 2014 by supporting a coup, Alipov added.

Russia sent troops into Ukraine on February 24, 2022, citing Kiev’s failure to implement the Minsk agreements, designed to give the regions of Donetsk and Lugansk special status within the Ukrainian state. The protocols, brokered by Germany and France, were first signed in 2014.
Alipov said the European powers overthrew Ukraine’s legitimate president, Viktor Yanukovich, in order to turn the country into a bulwark against Russia.
The 2015 Minsk Accords were not honored; former German Chancellor Angela Merkel and former French President Francois Hollande later admitted that they acted in bad faith, Alipov noted.
The agreements were never intended to bring peace but merely to buy time for Kiev to strengthen its military, he wrote.
The Hindu newspaper cited anonymous officials from the Indian Foreign Ministry as calling the article by the European envoys “unacceptable and unusual.”
Russian President Vladimir Putin will arrive in New Delhi on December 4 for a two-day state visit.
 
One by one the rats are deserting the sinking Ukrainian shithole.
Will Zitler still be alive by Christmas?

No security guarantees for Ukraine – Finnish PM​

Petteri Orpo says there is a difference between aid and mutual defense obligations
No security guarantees for Ukraine – Finnish PM

Finnish Prime Minister Petteri Orpo © Pier Marco Tacca / Getty Images
Finland will not offer Ukraine NATO-style security guarantees, Prime Minister Petteri Orpo has declared.
Kiev has been seeking formal security assurances from Western backers and insists they should come before any peace agreement with Moscow. Some media reports claimed that last month’s US peace roadmap included a NATO-style guarantee for Kiev modeled on Article 5, committing guarantor states to defend Ukraine in case of a potential attack, and listed Finland as one of the potential guarantors.
Asked about this at a joint press conference with Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson on Tuesday, Orpo said he had neither seen the plan nor been consulted on it.
“I don’t know why Finland was mentioned in the paper,” he told the media. “We have to understand that a security guarantee is something very, very serious. We’re not ready to give security guarantees, but we can help with security arrangements. The difference between them is huge.”

Orpo stressed that helping Kiev with security differs fundamentally from mutual defense obligations referenced in the leaked US plan. He suggested major powers such as the US or larger European states should commit to guarantees, while Finland’s role would be limited to logistical and organizational support.
Sweden, while not mentioned as a potential guarantor in the leaked draft, believes European support should focus on helping Ukraine maintain a capable military as Kiev’s “most important security guarantee”, according to Kristersson.
The Wall Street Journal reported this week that security guarantees remain unresolved after the latest talks between Kiev and Washington in Florida. Moscow has said it does not oppose security guarantees for Ukraine in principle but insists they must not be one-sided or aimed at containing Russia, and should follow a peace deal rather than precede one. Russia confirmed receiving the “main parameters” of the US roadmap last week but has not commented on details or whether guarantees are included.
READ MORE: Rubio names key obstacle in Ukraine talks
Trump’s envoy, Steve Witkoff, visited Moscow on Tuesday for further talks on the peace plan. According to President Vladimir Putin’s aide Yury Ushakov, the discussions were constructive and Moscow agreed with some American proposals, but deemed others unacceptable, and “no compromises have been found as of yet.”
 
ROTFL....What a shitshow!!!!:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:


Belief in Russian defeat ‘a complete illusion’ – Belgium​

Prime Minister Bart De Wever is opposed to funding Ukraine through a loan, which Kiev could repay only if Moscow agrees to pay war reparations
Belief in Russian defeat ‘a complete illusion’ – Belgium

FILE PHOTO. © Sputnik / Stanislav Krasilnikov

Belgian Prime Minister Bart De Wever has launched a new attack on the EU’s plan to use frozen Russian assets for a loan to Ukraine, describing it as “a complete illusion” to think that Kiev could defeat Moscow and force it to pay reparations.
Under the proposal, the bloc would leverage about €140 billion ($162 billion) in immobilized Russian sovereign assets – most of them held at Brussels-based clearing house Euroclear – to guarantee a so-called ‘reparations loan’ for Ukraine. Belgium has vehemently protested the plan, demanding that other EU nations share responsibility for the move.
Russia, meanwhile, has branded such ideas “theft” and warned of far-reaching legal and retaliatory steps if its reserves are stolen.
READ MORE: EU central bank rejects von der Leyen’s asset-theft plan
In an interview with La Libre daily on Tuesday, De Wever acknowledged that the pressure surrounding the loan issue is “incredible,” adding that the political appeal of supporting “the good guy, Ukraine,” at Russia’s expense obscured unprecedented legal risks and would break historical precedent. “Even during World War II, Germany’s money wasn’t confiscated,” he said.
“At the end of the war, the losing state must relinquish all or part of these assets to compensate the victors. But who really believes that Russia will lose in Ukraine? It’s a fable, a complete illusion.”
According to De Wever, even despite the current tensions, “it’s not even desirable for them [Russia] to lose” due to likely instability and nuclear weapons risks spiraling out of control in this scenario.
The Belgian leader further warned that Moscow would not “calmly accept” confiscation, pointing to the risk that Russia could seize Western-owned factories and some €16 billion ($18.6 billion) held by Euroclear in Russia. He added that Belarus or China could follow suit by targeting Western assets on their soil.
De Wever also previously warned that the de facto seizing of the assets – the final decision on which is expected at a summit in Brussels on December 18 – would essentially derail the ongoing Ukraine peace process. The latter has gained momentum with the talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US envoy Steve Witkoff in Moscow on Tuesday.


 

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