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M1A2 said:
Max, the Russians are now going to their T-54/55 tank stock and BTR-50s. Their winter offensive failed. They have lost ground continuously since their high water mark of April last year. They can't even take Bakhmut after 6 months of fighting. How are we to conclude the Russians can still win? What does winning actually mean now?
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What winter offensive?
What is the casualty ratio at Bakhmut?
Of what military value is the ground they have ceded?

Please try and apply some intelligence when posting here.
 
Mad as Fish said:
What winter offensive?
What is the casualty ratio at Bakhmut?
Of what military value is the ground they have ceded?

Please try and apply some intelligence when posting here.
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It's paid to post what it posts.
Don't expect answers to questions it's been instructed not to answer.:)
 
valamhic said:
On balance, if I had a choice, I would rather live in a corrupt independent Ukraine with or without NATO
or the EU than a Putin controlled Ukraine. If in full control, Putin can start a war somewhere and draft your
son into the Army to fight for him.

Think it could not happen, thousands of Irishmen died fighting in the 1st World War for Britain that was enslaving the Irish in their own country. I will fight for Ireland and fuck the other bastards.
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When the EU/NATO/Terrorist America gets its way and has its EU army plenty more Irishmen will be killed to keep the military industrial complex rolling in the dollars......
 
valamhic said:
On balance, if I had a choice, I would rather live in a corrupt independent Ukraine with or without NATO
or the EU than a Putin controlled Ukraine. If in full control, Putin can start a war somewhere and draft your
son into the Army to fight for him.

Think it could not happen, thousands of Irishmen died fighting in the 1st World War for Britain that was enslaving the Irish in their own country. I will fight for Ireland and fuck the other bastards.
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what nonsense are you talking?

Russia didnt send Irish men to WW1. Thats was Irish politicans who were in pay of their imperial masters.

and guess what. Ireland is NO different today as it was in 1914.
 
valamhic said:
I did not say otherwise. I make the point that I would rather be ruled by a home government than a foreign one.
Had I somehow ended up in the British army back then I would turn the rifle on the Brits. I don't want the Brits ruling me and if I were a Uke I would not want the Russies ruling me.
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Brussels rules Ireland.
We got rid of the Brits and replaced them with worse, far worse.
Give me Russia any day over the perverted 'west'.
 
It's crazy really! If Ukraine fails to retake ground in this next offensive then it looking like curtains for the war, surely due to the costs involved.
Ukraine's industrial and agricultural outputs will have been decimated in addition to the destroyed infrastructures and so consequently has no economy or finances to fund anything even bare survival - The debts and deaths are mounting by the day with no solution to end further wasteful destruction of desperately needed resources.
The News just did a report on a rarely discussed topic -The rebuilding of Ukraine, it's going to take between €420B-€800B to get the place ticking over again . . .
Obviously that won't happen until the war is over so . . . The clocks ticking . . . Time to quit poking the Bear and get rebuilding
East-West 50/50 win-win ASAP.
 
buddy love said:
It's crazy really! If Ukraine fails to retake ground in this next offensive then it looking like curtains for the war, surely due to the costs involved.
Ukraine's industrial and agricultural outputs will have been decimated in addition to the destroyed infrastructures and so consequently has no economy or finances to fund anything even bare survival - The debts and deaths are mounting by the day with no solution to end further wasteful destruction of desperately needed resources.
The News just did a report on a rarely discussed topic -The rebuilding of Ukraine, it's going to take between €420B-€800B to get the place ticking over again . . .
Obviously that won't happen until the war is over so . . . The clocks ticking . . . Time to quit poking the Bear and get rebuilding
East-West 50/50 win-win ASAP.
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The reassuring message coming across here is that people are moving on from the propaganda and are starting to look at the war through a different prism, it's something that should only be encouraged.
 
Mad as Fish said:
The reassuring message coming across here is that people are moving on from the propaganda and are starting to look at the war through a different prism, it's something that should only be encouraged.
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Indeed.
American/NATO warmongering and terrorism needs to be exposed at every opportunity.
We see here with one or two posters how totally brainwashed they've become by relying totally on Twatter and the MSM for their truth.
 
M1A2 said:
I think a LOT of this will come from confiscated Russian assets.

To be fair, the Russian losses are far, far worse. The Chinese simply won't pay the prices that Putin charged the Europeans for gas and oil. That's just cuts off Russia at the knees, forever.

Of course there is a cost for Ukraine but continuing to fight will always be cheaper in the long term than surrendering. They learned there is a terrible cost to appeasement. Its a lesson that seems to be relearned every generation.
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That's because you're not very intelligent.

The money will come from taxation.

The government doesn't have any money.

The government has YOUR money.
 
M1A2 said:
I think a LOT of this will come from confiscated Russian assets.
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Versus the confiscated Ukraine assets? Mind you that just cuts the price of zelyankee's redevelopment by half for his remaining territory.

M1A2 said:
To be fair, the Russian losses are far, far worse. The Chinese simply won't pay the prices that Putin charged the Europeans for gas and oil. That's just cuts off Russia at the knees, forever.
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Russia supplies 1/2 the world as they see fit - fair is fair, win win, They'll be doing BRICS discounts too while Us poor Europeans have to pay X3 for electricity & 25% on oil. It's actually Irish homes & German industry who face being cut off - And as for Ukraine . . .

M1A2 said:
Of course there is a cost for Ukraine but continuing to fight will always be cheaper in the long term than surrendering. They learned there is a terrible cost to appeasement. Its a lesson that seems to be relearned every generation.
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It's a terrible cost, not to be encouraged or repeated. In the long term it's got to be Multipolarity. Diplomacy on Minsk2 would have saved a war.
The current cost of that war & rebuild is waaaay over €1000Bil + Lives and rising . . . 🤔 "Cheaper" how?
 
M1A2 said:
There's no need for any of that when the answer is sitting in frozen Russian bank accounts...300 bn USD of it.

Wake up dude.
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Russians interests will most likely be compensated reciprocally from newly acquired resource assets, in response.
But hear here to wake up yourself, OK? . . .
The introduction of Western Depleted Uranium is going to devastate and destroy environments, agriculture, populations while eliciting a harsher response from Russia. 300B USD is poor loot to get paid for incinerating a country and it's folk - Giving them Radioactive hell for the next 50 years?

Again - Russian endorsed Minsk2 is a far better ideal, but like the USD's it's been wasted, what a shame, for Greed, which you must admit - Has backfired for Ukraine and the EU.:oops:
 
M1A2 said:
Of course that's why the Russians are there.
But it's not going to happen.
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They've always been there.
If they hold on to recent gains then it's happening.
All will lose if Ukraine becomes a radioactive no mans land.
There are now multiple sources of contamination catastrophe waiting to unfold, DP's, Nuke Powerstations, ICBM's, Dirty Bombs.

Minsk2 is always the Ideal - Many would like to turn back time and go multipolar - Save €1000BiL, enjoy subsidised RU.gas, share government, share profits, be fair, decent & real, enjoy peace & prosperity as it was up til 2014's Greedy Grab!!

Old Ukraine is dead and gone.☢️☣️☢️
 
M1A2 said:
Moscow denied it had any forces there which was plainly ridiculous. So after breaking that agreement and all the previous treaties and memorandums back to 1991, no one is going to trust Russia now.
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So when Nato countries 30+ provid support for attack offensives on Russian interests then it's not allowed for Russia to offer support to it's citizens in their bombed regions?

People do trust Russia which is why Arseula has the msm locked down & censored - Hiding the truth as always.
No one trusts Al'lies - Too greedy a grab!!
 
M1A2 said:
I think a LOT of this will come from confiscated Russian assets.

To be fair, the Russian losses are far, far worse. The Chinese simply won't pay the prices that Putin charged the Europeans for gas and oil. That's just cuts off Russia at the knees, forever.

Of course there is a cost for Ukraine but continuing to fight will always be cheaper in the long term than surrendering. They learned there is a terrible cost to appeasement. Its a lesson that seems to be relearned every generation.
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You need to work on your thinking my boy, it's all a bit wonky.
 
M1A2 said:
Russia can provide support by withdrawing from Ukrainian territory and abiding by its treaties.
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With Depleted Uranium used to targeting Russian Interests? Nato jets about to start bombing Russian positions?
Ukraine as was in recent times, is surely now an historic notion? We've yet to see the big stuff - Ukraine's Finished.
 
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