Ukraine.

Mad as Fish said:
The question of how fast Russia is churning them out is avoided by a country mile. I guess it might be a touch embarrassing.
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But, but.
The Russians fighting with shovels.
And using lawnmowers to build planes and washing machines.
How can this be,?
 
It really is the deviants, pedophiles and perverts of the planet joining forces against Russia.

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Taoiseach pledges support during surprise Kyiv visit

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has vowed to stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes after holding talks with President Volodymyr Zelensky on a surprise visit to Kyiv.
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Yep, right on Que.

It's not hard to spook the markets and this was always going to happen. There was money to made here, and believe me, people have and will continue to do so.
 
Fishalt said:
Yep, right on Que.

It's not hard to spook the markets and this was always going to happen. There was money to made here, and believe me, people have and will continue to do so.
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It's always about the money.
 
And as if couldn't get any worse for the Ukrainians.

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ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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jpc said:
And as if couldn't get any worse for the Ukrainians.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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Is there no recognition in Washington that the expenditure of life for the sake of proving some point that becomes ever more remote and inconsequential is simply evil, demonic and utterly inhumane? But then again, its not American lives that are being used up so WTF!
 
The US expect the Ukrainian to do against Russia what they couldnt do against some AK47- totting goat herders in Afghanistan
 
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It's appalling and criminal that after failing to use energy as a weapon, Putin now wants to try starve people to get his way.

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Russia Directly Targets Ukrainian Grain In Reprisal Airstrikes

The port city of Odesa was struck by another missile and drone barrage as Russia now threatens Black Sea shipping.
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The Ukrainian people need to hang Zelensky from a lamp post, and Ukraine and NATO needs to come to the negotiating table. Because before long Ukraine won't have the port of Odessa, which would be a loss from which the state of Ukraine could never recover. Already it has been disabled, functionally, by missile strikes. The blockade is just overkill and an attempt by the Russkis to draw Ukraine into another attrition battle it cannot win on top of being a big 'Go eat a bowl of dicks' to NATO and the EU.

What did you think was going to happen? Did you really think Russia was just going to bend over while Ukraine Blew holes in civilian infrastructure and employed terrorist tactics? Did you really imagine the gloves wouldn't come off?

And you've thrown out the bay with the bathwater yet again. What these latest strikes prove is that Russia had the capability to inflict this carnage on Odessa any time it wanted. Until now, it has shown restraint.
 
Wolf said:
It really is the deviants, pedophiles and perverts of the planet joining forces against Russia.

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Taoiseach pledges support during surprise Kyiv visit

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has vowed to stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes after holding talks with President Volodymyr Zelensky on a surprise visit to Kyiv.
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Some delusion in that article, including a death of an "irish journalist".

These clowns are looking seriously deranged.
 
M1A2 said:
You don't think that this wasn't exactly the reaction the Ukrainians wanted? :whistle:

It's clear the Ukrainians are also acting with some restraint. They have only attacked one of the most important chokepoints in the war twice. But it's clearly an easy target when the appetite is made.

Russia cutting of grain exports is going to rile up a lot of countries.

And Russia has been blowing holes in Ukrainian infrastructure and acting like a terrorist regime since they started the war. Its hardly unfair of Ukraine to strike back and damage the Russian war machine in any way they can.
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No, M1A2. No, I don't think it is.

I can't wait to hear how you're going to try to sell this one to me. This isn't going to push NATO countries into the conflict. It's not going to help Ukraine get into NATO. All it's going to do is increase inflationary pressure in Europe and make the continuation of the war more unpopular than it is--which is considerably.

There's no 4D chess being played here. Ukraine is a desperate, cornered animal doing desperate, cornered animal things. The counteroffensive has been a bust. They've made no significant progress, and Russia has over 100k fucking troops deployed and ready to roll. They're also back to annexing territory. And now Ukraine has lost control of and access to its last major port. Are you really so deluded that you can't see that a Ukrainian victory would ostensibly be a miracle at this point?

It would be unbelievable to me that you can't see the writing on the wall if this was easily explainable by the fact you're now in the inescapable position of having to confront the fact that you backed the wrong horse, and drunk the kool aid. Will you still be here arguing that Ukraine has the upper hand, even when Odessa is occupied by Russian forces? Probably.
 
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;)

Everything you say is just a variation on what has been debunked before. The energy weapon didn't work. We were told the 300k mobiks were going to roll through to Western Ukraine. And here you are trotting out the same things, more or less. Grow up, mate.
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Who told you that?
 
M1A2 said:
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Everything you say is just a variation on what has been debunked before. The energy weapon didn't work. We were told the 300k mobiks were going to roll through to Western Ukraine. And here you are trotting out the same things, more or less. Grow up, mate.
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I don't even know what you're referring to. I suppose by 'Energy weapon' you mean Russia leveraging out countries via oil? Sorry to burst your bubble bud, but that did and is happening, even with Norway's involvement. I haven't believed that Russia would simply roll through western Ukraine since NATO started sending them armaments.Let's not forget that ultimately, it isn't Ukraine fighting this war. It's NATO. NATO simply views Ukrainian lives as something to be exploited. Without the combined support of NATO yes, this war would have been finished in about 3 months. It would have been better for the entire world. NATO doesn't want negotiations. It's a bureaucracy composed of psychopathic, incestuous elites who have no qualms whatsoever about destroying the lives of its member citizens so long as they can make fuck you money in the process. The net loss of life would have been significantly less on both sides with negotiation. As it stands the death tally is horrific and mounting, and Russia is on track to complete its objectives anyway. It's not going to stop. Meanwhile Europe bleeds at the bowser and the checkout whilst Blackrock, Lockheed and the usual suspects rub their hands with glee.

It's amazing to me that you can't see what these forever wars are really about. You never ask cui bono.
 
Fishalt said:
I don't even know what you're referring to. I suppose by 'Energy weapon' you mean Russia leveraging out countries via oil? Sorry to burst your bubble bud, but that did and is happening, even with Norway's involvement. I haven't believed that Russia would simply roll through western Ukraine since NATO started sending them armaments.Let's not forget that ultimately, it isn't Ukraine fighting this war. It's NATO. NATO simply views Ukrainian lives as something to be exploited. Without the combined support of NATO yes, this war would have been finished in about 3 months. It would have been better for the entire world. NATO doesn't want negotiations. It's a bureaucracy composed of psychopathic, incestuous elites who have no qualms whatsoever about destroying the lives of its member citizens so long as they can make fuck you money in the process. The net loss of life would have been significantly less on both sides with negotiation. As it stands the death tally is horrific and mounting, and Russia is on track to complete its objectives anyway. It's not going to stop. Meanwhile Europe bleeds at the bowser and the checkout whilst Blackrock, Lockheed and the usual suspects rub their hands with glee.

It's amazing to me that you can't see what these forever wars are really about. You never ask cui bono.
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Too many gormless dumbfucks don't have the ability to comprehend the enormous catastrophe happening Ukraine.
Beyond Putin bad man!
That's media conditioning and sheer lacking of curiosity and historical information on similar atrocities that have occurred this century.
Russia isn't the antagonist.
It's reactive.
But you can't explain that to people who don't know or want to acknowledge historical context for such conclusions.
 
Keep pouring EU taxpayer's money into the hellhole lads, the military industrial complex merchants of death will thank you, I'm sure.....:ROFLMAO:

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EU ministers discuss €20bn Ukraine military aid plan

European Union foreign ministers met to discuss their support for Ukraine, including a proposal to spend up to €20 billion euros on weapons, ammunition and other military aid over four years.
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jpc said:
And the Liar just back.
Any comments on this Leo?
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There's only three ways to read this video:

A) Incompetence. The Ukies thought they could overshoot the surrendering troops and take out the Russians about to capture them. This is extremely unlikely as it would require a level of precision that's frankly not possible. If the Ukies did think this, it shows how utterly incompetent they are.

B) The Ukies were trying to kill the Russian captors knowing that they would likely also kill their own soldiers in the process.

C) The Ukies were trying to kill their own troops so that couldn't give away intel upon being captured.

M1A2 can take his pick.
 
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