Who believes the Holocaust?

Do you believe the Germans gassed six million Jews?

  • Total voters
    14
On the ditch are a bunch of GloboHomo refugee lovers, but they sometimes print some good stuff: The govt bastards have put the Jewish Representative Council as a trusted internet flagger.

Watch out @Declan! Mr Cohen from the JRC might be on the phone to you to tone it down a wee bit. Having said that, there is no illegal anti-semitic content on this thread or anywhere else, so it should be fine. Just sweet talk him.

START

After an ex-Israeli spy visited the Irish media regulator and met with Jennifer Carroll MacNeill – discussing a role at the regulator – Coimisiún na Meán has appointed the Jewish Representative Council of Ireland to flag "illegal antisemitic material" online.

Coimisiún na Meán has awarded the Jewish Representative Council of Ireland (JRCI) “trusted flagger” status under the Digital Services Act – meaning online platforms are now required to prioritise notices from the JCRI and decide on them “without undue delay.”

JRCI chair Maurice Cohen has previously accused Ireland of "unfairly isolating Israel" with its intervention at the International Court of Justice and has criticised both the recognition of the state of Palestine and the Occupied Territories Bill.

‘Other matters MacNeill and Goldberger discussed were redacted’​

Jewish Representative Council of Ireland Maurice Cohen in May 2024 arranged a meeting at the taoiseach's office between then-junior minister Jennifer Carroll MacNeill and ex-Israeli intelligence officer Inbal Goldberger.

The JRCI's pursuit of trusted flagger status was discussed at the meeting.

Cohen also told officials that through Coimisiún na Meán Ireland would be "responsible for policing, throughout Europe, all the major digital media companies that are headquartered" here.

Records show Goldberger and Carroll MacNeill also discussed the controversial International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism – which Ireland later endorsed.

Other matters MacNeill and Goldberger discussed were redacted when released to The Ditch under freedom of information legislation with the Department of the Taoiseach claiming their release would damage Ireland's international relations.

In October 2024 Goldberger attended an event at Coimisiún na Meán's office where the regulator briefed "dozens" of prospective trusted flaggers on the application process.

When The Ditch later sought records of any contact between the regulator and Goldberger, Coimisiún na Meán refused to even confirm whether they exist – despite sources close to the regulator indicating that the records would be released.

Goldberger spent close to a decade in the Israeli Prime Minister's Office and in an IDF intelligence unit that has faced allegations of human rights abuses. Former members of this unit say the intelligence it gathers is used to persecute Palestinians.

The Ditch's reporting on Goldberger has faced repeated removal on social media.

Instagram took down a post about her meeting with Carroll MacNeill on 14 February, 2025, citing "bullying and harassment" and removed The Ditch's March 28 follow-up article on 4 April, citing the same justification.

Digital Services Commissioner John Evans said granting the JRCI trusted flagger status would "maximise the impact" of the regulator's framework "in order to minimise online harms to the public."

JRCI is one of three organisations awarded the status alongside the Irish Internet Hotline – which will flag child sexual abuse material, non-consensual intimate image sharing and financial fraud – and the Irish Music Rights Organisation, which will focus on copyright infringement.

Coimisiún na Meán and the JCRI have been contacted for comment.

Cohen said, “Only antisemitic content that is understood to contravene either Irish or European law, nothing else, will be flagged to the social media companies.”
 
Diarmuid said:
The Red Cross visited all the camps. Theresienstad was for training Jews to go to Palestine. Hitler was a Zionist, and nobody disputes that. :) Please post the technical drawings for your beloved gas chambers.
Click to expand...

They do, and how much he and how much he wasn't is a murky topic (like a lot to do with that period). There were though senior people in the Nazi Party and State who most definitely were and who even thought highly and formed personal relationships with Jewish Zionists. Counter-intuitively maybe but it was the Labour supposed Leftist Zionists who got on really well with the Nazis which was not true at all when it came to the Right wing what were than called Revisionist Zionists. This is documented in the brilliant book "The Seventh Million-Israelis and the Holocaust" by Tom Segev who is himself a Left Zionist but is also an honest, serious and skilled historian.

Some senior people though in the Nazi Party and State were not anti-Zionist for a variety of reasons including what they saw as the humanitarian and national rights of the indigenous population of Palestine. Johann von Leers who went on to figure in a lot of Zionist conspiracy theorizing would be a prominent example of the latter and Reinhard Heydrich would be of the former. Hitler's political genius was that he was able to get to so many disparate types of people to project their own longings unto him and so get them to rally around him, Peron in Argentina to a more limited degree was able to do this to.
 
If it were proven publicly beyond any doubt that the Shoah did not take place would it change anything at all politically in Ireland?

I think it would make some people on the anti-Imperialist Left and the mainstream Catholic Right more open to being critical about aspects of Jewish culture and Religion, note some not many. Neither of those groups though as much in the way of serious power and influence in Ireland.
 
Agobard Admirer said:
If it were proven publicly beyond any doubt that the Shoah did not take place would it change anything at all politically in Ireland?
Click to expand...
I think it would, at least in the remigration debate. If they start trying to use the poor little refugees angle on us, we can just smile and say: Are you going to tell us the fairy story about the six million Jews in the gas chambers??
 
Diarmuid said:
I think it would, at least in the remigration debate. If they start trying to use the poor little refugees angle on us, we can just smile and say: Are you going to tell us the fairy story about the six million Jews in the gas chambers??
Click to expand...

I don't think it would at all outside of a few "Rugby Dads" on the Catholic Right and maybe some upper middle class Presbyterians in the professions as opposed to business. It would not change the material and ideological (real or imagined) interests that the important economic backers of Fine Gael and to a lesser extent Fianna Fail believe that they have in mass immigration. It would not change the desire of many of the Shinners and the Soc Dems to virtue signal about how "grown up and open" Ireland has become to the Left of US Democrat Party and Brussels.
 
Agobard Admirer said:
It would not change the material and ideological (real or imagined) interests that the important economic backers of Fine Gael and to a lesser extent Fianna Fail believe that they have in mass immigration. It would not change the desire of many of the Shinners and the Soc Dems to virtue signal about how "grown up and open" Ireland has become to the Left of US Democrat Party and Brussels.
Click to expand...

True enough. These guys just love the mass migration. The only way to get them to change their minds is to make them more scared of us than they are of whoever is handling them.

Do we dare to scare more than the Handlers?

They are like alcoholics with whiskey. Instead of stopping at a couple of thousand Nigerians, they just have to keep pushing for the 100k and then for the million.
 
The Equalizer said:

View: https://t.me/theAureusPress/38077
Click to expand...

More idiot fucking memes so idiots don't have to think.

The difference between those tragically killed in war and those killed in the Holocaust is that in the second case you were dealing with an industrialised system designed by an advanced technological society to wipe out every last Jew.

You're dealing with the mechanised, impersonal, and sustained mass destruction of human beings, organised and legitimised by states, and their scientists, jurists, and intellectuals.

You're dealing with the likes of one particular "categorised" group of people being moved like cattle by rail to killing factories, and afterwards their remains industrially mined and sifted through for valuable resources.

Additionally you're dealing with a preceding technological systemised print based propaganda, that for at least a decade had continuously demonised, and delegitimised this "category" of people, held them to a double standard, to set them apart, isolate them, and justify what was eventually done to them.

So yes, ensuing the Holocaust there was the greatest collective effort in all of history towards remembrance - including massively documenting it, and evidencing it, introducing legislation, widespread formal Holocaust education programmes, interfaith dialogue, Vatican councils, and more, to try and prevent the virus of antisemitism ever taking root again.

We see above the evidence that this collective effort is currently in the process of failing, it was not enough.
 
Roc_ said:
So yes, ensuing the Holocaust there was the greatest collective effort in all of history towards remembrance - including massively documenting it, and evidencing it, introducing legislation, widespread formal Holocaust education programmes, interfaith dialogue, Vatican councils, and more, to try and prevent the virus of antisemitism ever taking root again.

We see above the evidence that this collective effort is currently in the process of failing, it was not enough.
Click to expand...

It is interesting that both you and the most militant Sedes and Williamson followers both agree on what you think was at the core of the Second Vatican Council (though obviously you make very different value judgements on it).

Nearly all Inter-Faith dialogue between Jews and Christians was been indecently dishonest (on both ends).
 
Nazi dog.png
 
What's new - pond-life eternally scouring the internet for this type of shit.

The above article was written by an anti-Zionist Ultra-Orthodox rabbi, basically the opposite number of Irish fundamentalist "schism" catholics, i.e. a crank and an incompetent.
 
Agobard Admirer said:
They work with the Zionist State to spread it's propaganda.
Click to expand...

To use less prejudiced language, yes, they are a support organisation for Jewish religious teachings and Hasbara (from the Hebrew verb le'hasbir, meaning "to explain" or "to make clear").

Somewhat similar to our our state agency Culture Ireland and organisations like the Global Irish Hub, etc.

But such organisations are not immune to cranks and incompetents, like the ultra-Rabbi that wrote that article - that was the point being made.
 
Roc_ said:
To use less prejudiced language, yes, they are a support organisation for Jewish religious teachings and Hasbara (from the Hebrew verb le'hasbir, meaning "to explain" or "to make clear").

Somewhat similar to our our state agency Culture Ireland and organisations like the Global Irish Hub, etc.

But such organisations are not immune to cranks and incompetents, like the ultra-Rabbi that wrote that article - that was the point being made.
Click to expand...

They are Modern Orthodox and at most Chardal (Rabbi Ken Shapiro is an important of them for ffs)- they are not Satmar or whatever you think.
 
Diarmuid said:
The comedy must go on :)
Click to expand...

If we're looking to laugh at how fucking stupid (and odd looking) Holocaust deniers are, here's a good one:

www.dailymail.com

Video: David Baddiel confronts Holocaust denier on BBC Documentary | Daily Mail Online

David Baddiel struggles to contain his anger during a dramatic confrontation with Holocuast denier Dermot Mulqueen, who accuses Jewish people of 'hating Europeans', 'sacrificing Christian babies' and 'controlling the BBC ' in a new documentary.
www.dailymail.com www.dailymail.com

Agobard Admirer said:
They are Modern Orthodox and at most Chardal (Rabbi Ken Shapiro is an important of them for ffs)- they are not Satmar or whatever you think.
Click to expand...

I was referring specifically to the writer of that specific article @Hermit posted.
 
Diarmuid said:
... we can just smile and say: Are you going to tell us the fairy story about the six million Jews in the gas chambers??
Click to expand...

How about for a change we keep it closer to home and we all sneer at the "fairy story" about the priest who claims to have died from cancer?


Rev.-Fr.-Martin-B.-Mulqueen-RIP.jpg
 
Repost from Occidental Observer.
David Skrbina
Very detailed review of the archaeology of a supposed extermination camp. Almost zero evidence.

Start:





pic1-24.jpg





Long ago, there was a small place in the Polish countryside where, it was said, up to 1 million human beings met their demise over the course of some 10 months. This small place, comprising only around 50 acres of land, was located about 1.5 miles from the small village of Treblinka (population circa 300). At this remote location, a handful of Germans built a facility in 1942—a transit camp, they called it—intended to temporarily house people undesirable to the German state, to disinfest them of dangerous disease-bearing pests, and then to ship them onward to various locations distant from that state; some of these people died in the camp, some would later be put to forced labor, and others would be simply released in far-flung regions. Sadly, due to the tremendous military struggle of that time and to the eventual defeat of the German state, nearly all of these people were lost to the Western world, never to be heard from again.


As a result of these unfortunate events, the Treblinka Durchgangslager became known to the world as the Treblinka “death camp”—a place where as many as 1 million people (nearly all Jews) were said to have been killed by engine exhaust in specially-designed “gas chambers.” This action, it was said, was a direct consequence of an alleged German policy to kill every Jew in Europe. Thus, this small encampment became a central aspect of the (Jewish-designated) “Holocaust” in which, it is said, some 6 million Jews perished at the hands of the evil Germans.


It is a remarkable story. But is it true? On the face of it, the story seems incredible: An average of some 100,000 Jews killed per month—around 3,300 per day—every day, rain or shine, in cold and snow, for 10 solid months. At times, it was worse than this: Fully half of the overall death toll allegedly occurred in just the first three months of operation (July to September 1942), which implies an average of more than 5,500 per day for those first 90 days.


During those three months, the camp supposedly had three gas chambers (three gassing rooms within one building), with each room measuring only 15 feet by 15 feet—the size of a large bedroom. Therefore, each room had to process some 2,000 people per day, every day, for three months. And since each person takes about 1 square foot of area, the gassing rooms could only hold about 225 people each; thus, the Germans would have had to run something like eight or nine batches per room, per day. And this is not to mention the difficulty of herding hundreds of naked and scared people into a tight little room, over and over again. Incredible.


Finding this facility inadequate after only three months, the Germans allegedly built a “new” larger gas chamber building, with 10 rooms, each roughly 22 by 22 feet; this would have increased the gassing capacity by a factor of seven or more. More than enough, surely.


The killing method was, allegedly, poisonous gas—not the cyanide used at Auschwitz, but something simpler: exhaust gas from diesel engines. This sounds plausible until we learn that diesel engines emit very little of the poisonous carbon monoxide that kills people (unlike a gasoline/petrol engine, which produces a lot). And any engine, of any kind, cannot simply pump exhaust gas into an enclosed, “air tight” room; the back-pressure would increase until the engine stalled. Consequently, any alleged “diesel gassing” procedure collapses on its face.


And then, what to do with the bodies? If the Germans somehow managed to kill a million Jews in just 10 months, they then had to dispose of all those bodies. As the story goes, the Germans first buried all the bodies in mass graves, and then, changing their minds, dug them all up and burned them all to ash on open-air pyres. This is unbelievable on several levels: the need for absurdly-huge pits to bury one million bodies; the difficulty of digging up all those decaying, rotting corpses; the difficulty of stacking them up on “railroad rails” to burn them; the outrageous amounts of wood required to burn those rotting bodies to ash; the tremendous amounts of ash produced (wood and human); and the difficulty of getting rid of all that ash. Incredible to the extreme.


And even if, by some miracle, all that happened, we would expect to find extensive physical evidence of such a monumental crime: remains of gas chambers, disturbed earth to hold one million bodies, and, somewhere, millions of pounds of ash. Not to mention finding unburnable human remains, such as large bones and teeth, again numbering in the millions. Yet, in the now 83 years since the camp was abandoned, no one has found more than the smallest fraction of such things. Once again, an incredible situation. And if it is incredible, why should we believe it?

Truth Lost, Truth Found: A Review of “Finding Treblinka” by Caroline Sturdy Colls – The Occidental Observer

www.theoccidentalobserver.net www.theoccidentalobserver.net
 
Roc_ said:
What's new - pond-life eternally scouring the internet for this type of shit.

The above article was written by an anti-Zionist Ultra-Orthodox rabbi, basically the opposite number of Irish fundamentalist "schism" catholics, i.e. a crank and an incompetent.
Click to expand...
>the article was written by a Jew
What's your point? Oh he's a crank, so his ridiculous Holohoax tale doesn't count? He's not the only Jew who makes up these bullshit stories.

Diarmuid said:
Print is tiny, can't read. Can you post direct link to webpage?

The comedy must go on :)
Click to expand...

Dr. Mengele's Musical Dog | Winston Smith Ministry of Truth Archive - Radio Islam

www.islam-radio.net www.islam-radio.net
web.archive.org

Inhuman "Humanities"

The world's most cultured people were known for the most inhuman behavior.
web.archive.org web.archive.org
 
avoid vulgarity on this thread, GRMA
Diarmuid said:
Repost from Occidental Observer.
David Skrbina
Very detailed review of the archaeology of a supposed extermination camp.
Click to expand...
Fucking Occidental Observer. Tell me, do you buy into that chap David Skrbina's other notorious conspiracy theory that Jesus didn't exist - rather that a cabal of Jews fabricated the myth of Jesus to bring down the Roman Empire? Hmm, I'd bet you hold that conspiracy of his at arm's length, unlike his "Holohoax" conspiracies, eh?
 
Roc_ said:
Fucking Occidental Observer. Tell me, do you buy into that chap David Skrbina's other notorious conspiracy theory that Jesus didn't exist - rather that a cabal of Jews fabricated the myth of Jesus to bring down the Roman Empire? Hmm, I'd bet you hold that conspiracy of his at arm's length, unlike his "Holohoax" conspiracies, eh?
Click to expand...
Incorrect. The Romans fabricated the myth of Jesus Christ to try to hold up the Roman Empire.
 
The Equalizer said:
Incorrect. The Romans fabricated the myth of Jesus Christ to try to hold up the Roman Empire.
Click to expand...

No one has any interest in your competing conspiracy theories Jambo, at least I certainly don't.

I was referring specifically to Skrbina's conspiracy theory that he wrote a book about:
  1. The Jesus Myth: He argues that Jesus of Nazareth was either an entirely mythical figure or, at most, a mere human agitator who was executed by the state.
  2. The Intentional Hoax: Škrbina claims that a cabal of early followers—whom he emphasizes were exclusively Jewish—deliberately fabricated the divine myth of a virgin-born, resurrected "Jesus Christ".
I wondered if @Diarmuid and the other mental antisemitic catholics on here were as fond of that conspiracy theory as Škrbina's other ones concerning the Jews, that they appear very fond of.
 
Roc_ said:
No one has any interest in your competing conspiracy theories Jambo, at least I certainly don't.

I was referring specifically to Skrbina's conspiracy theory that he wrote a book about:
  1. The Jesus Myth: He argues that Jesus of Nazareth was either an entirely mythical figure or, at most, a mere human agitator who was executed by the state.
  2. The Intentional Hoax: Škrbina claims that a cabal of early followers—whom he emphasizes were exclusively Jewish—deliberately fabricated the divine myth of a virgin-born, resurrected "Jesus Christ".
I wondered if @Diarmuid and the other mental antisemitic catholics on here were as fond of that conspiracy theory as Škrbina's other ones concerning the Jews, that they appear very fond of.
Click to expand...
So you're saying that ZOG goes back that far?

Interesting..
 
Mass immigration and what we call today 'multiculturalism' was the end of the Roman Empire. In a last ditch effort, the Romans tried to hold it together under one God. Jesus Christ.

And that's all that's left of the Roman Empire today. Christendom.
 
The Equalizer said:
So you're saying that ZOG goes back that far?

Interesting..
Click to expand...

Jews were a powerful force in the Roman Empire from before the time of Christ to when the Emperors now Christian and based in Constantinople started to lean very heavily on them. At one time they were more than ten per cent of the Empire and controlled the slave trade. It is very possible that Rabbinic Judaism would have gone the way of Manicheanism if the emergence of proto-Islam did not get in the way.
 
Do not derail thread. This thread is for making fun of the Holocaust.

If you would like to discuss Jesus theories, do that elsewhere.

But, in brief, Skrbina and other "fake Jesus" theorists forget the USP of JC's mission. God, the Golden Rule, resurrection and miracles were all known about before JC was born.

The single unique, unprecedented and beautiful event in story of Jesus was The Whipping (of the Jews) in the (Jewish) Temple.

It had never been done before. It has never been done since.

Let's whip them in the synagogue again, like it's AD 33.
 
The Equalizer said:
Mass immigration and what we call today 'multiculturalism' was the end of the Roman Empire. In a last ditch effort, the Romans tried to hold it together under one God. Jesus Christ.

And that's all that's left of the Roman Empire today. Christendom.
Click to expand...
I was under the impression that the Roman Empire always was multicultural, but to become a full Roman citizen required a certain service or favour to be provided by the applicant.
 
Keep the thread on topic, guys, muna miste libh.

That article on Treblinka is very strong evidence and I urge gas chamber enthusiasts to see if there are any inaccuracies in it. It seems accurate to me.

The Treblinka gas chambers story seems exaggerated in the extreme.
 
One thing that is interesting is that there are many people who scorn the Augustinian notions of collective human guilt for the sin of Adam, even seeing such as barbaric, while they embrace similar ideas of collective guilt in the case of the Shoah- even though the Hitlerite regime was not a democracy, in fact it was a repressive Police State, the SS was a group unlike the "Israeli Defense Force" which was detached from the wider society and the people involved in executing the Shoah were keen to keep knowledge of it away from the general population.

Than of course you have a smaller group of people who staunchly even defend Augustinian notions of collective guilt when it comes to the sin of Adam like a Presbyterian I was communicating with this morning but complain about any notion of collective guilt being applied in the context of the British Empire, the Nazis and "Wypipo" more generally.
 
Agobard Admirer said:
One thing that is interesting is that there are many people who scorn the Augustinian notions of collective human guilt for the sin of Adam, even seeing such as barbaric, while they embrace similar ideas of collective guilt in the case of the Shoah- even though the Hitlerite regime was not a democracy, in fact it was a repressive Police State, the SS was a group unlike the "Israeli Defense Force" which was detached from the wider society and the people involved in executing the Shoah were keen to keep knowledge of it away from the general population.
Click to expand...
Stop lying.

The general population in Nazi Germany knew quite well what was going on, they acqueisced in what was being done, like others in Europe.

E.g. They stood behind the Nuremberg laws, they watched their Jewish neighbours being taken away, they informed on them, they applauded Hitler's speeches and Goebbel's propaganda that demonised and delegitimised the Jews, they saw them disappear into the railcars and industrial killing factories, and more.

As a famous psychologist of the time wrote, "... The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with wild god...".

Or the historian Michael Burleigh similarly wrote ensuing his researches of sentiment in Germany then, "... masses of ordinary people chose to abdicate their individual critical faculties in favor of a politics based on faith, hope, hatred and sentimental collective self-regard for the own race and nation.... they abandoned the burden of thinking for themselves, in favor of what George Orwell described as the tom-tom beat of a latter-day tribalism..."

I.e. The people had their own agency, they enabled the Nazi leadership, never mind giving them 230 seats, twice the number as the next largest party had, in the 1932 election.

This happened under the influence of a heinous propaganda. E.g.

Nazi Propaganda (Pre-1933 Material)

Translations of Nazi propaganda material from the period before Hitler took power, including early writings by Joseph Goebbels.
research.calvin.edu

Nazi Propaganda: 1933-1945

A primary source archive of Nazi and East German propaganda material, curated by Randall Bytwerk.
research.calvin.edu

Of course if you study the anti Jewish elements in that propaganda you will find many of the same arguments as are made about "Zionists" in today's anti Zionist propaganda.

And similar as before that even, e.g. Antisemitism: Myth and Hate from Antiquity to the Present

You had the conditioning of the mass mob to take retribution, or to turn a blind eye to the taking of it..

So after twenty years of this propaganda demonising Jews, not just the Germans but most of Europe turned a blind eye to what was done to them, they acqueisced in what was being done.

The masses rationalised it. E.g. even looking closer to home, and even after the events of the Holocaust became known:

"... There is strong anti-Jewish feeling in this State which is particularly evident to the Alien Section of the Department of Justice. Sympathy for the Jews has not been particularly excited at the recent news that some thousands are fleeing westwards because of the recent round-up of communist Jews who had been prominent in Government and in government service in eastern European countries...". (Memo from Irish Department of Justice regarding the decision to refuse the admittance to Ireland of 100 Jewish orphans found at the Bergen-Belsen death camp.)

I.e. They were "Communist Jews" fleeing being rightfully "rounded up" so they deserved it.

Today we would say similarly, oh well they were "Zionist Jews" so they deserved it, etc.
 
Roc_ said:
Stop lying.

The general population in Nazi Germany knew quite well what was going on, they acqueisced in what was being done, like others in Europe.

E.g. They stood behind the Nuremberg laws, they watched their Jewish neighbours being taken away, they informed on them, they applauded Hitler's speeches and Goebbel's propaganda that demonised and delegitimised the Jews, they saw them disappear into the railcars and industrial killing factories, and more.
Click to expand...

Japanese-Americans were put into concentration camps as well with the support of the general population- will you condemn the North American general population equally with the German one over this? Even Saul Friedlander admits that they did not know about the gas chambers, etc remember that there were no extermination camps within Germany herself. What people did know about were the massacres being carried out by bullet on the Eastern Front, many of which were done by German allies as opposed to the Germans themselves who actually often tried to prevent them.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest Threads

Popular Threads

Back
Top Bottom