Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New profile posts
Latest activity
Members
Registered members
Current visitors
New profile posts
Search profile posts
Members Blogs
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Forums
History Forums
Irish History
Who really killed Michael Collins?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="scolairebocht" data-source="post: 8900" data-attributes="member: 8"><p><strong>Emmet Dalton</strong></p><p></p><p>The convoy that emerged around the corner at Béal na Blath held not only Collins, but also the senior National Army figure at that time in Cork, Major General Emmet Dalton, who had commanded the forces that took the Four Courts which started the war.</p><p></p><p>From a Nationalist family in Dublin he decided to join the British Army from the Irish Volunteers, in obedience to Redmond’s leadership in 1914/5. Redmond got him a Commission in the newly expanded British army, where he served during the war with great distinction and ended as a Major.(5)</p><p></p><p>Then he joined the IRA, and while trusted, because of the influence of his brother Charles a leading figure in Collins’ squad, he nonetheless struck the Volunteers as a quintessential British officer:</p><p></p><p></p><p>But there had always been rumours that he was in intelligence during WW1, and there is a specific reference that he was ADC to none other than General Sir Henry Wilson.(7) Cormaic Mac Carthaig, a leading expert on the death of Collins which he wrote about in 1968 in the Irish language publication Agus, interviewed Dalton and from this Mac Carthaig was able to establish that he had been ADC to Wilson.(8) Also Michael O’Cuinneagain, the son of a Tyrone Sinn Fein MP and indefatigable Irish history researcher, proved that he was working for British Intelligence during WWII as well, in this case MI5.(9)</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, when interviewed by Cormac Mac Carthaig in July 1970 about Béal na Blath, he denied some things that are known to be true, and which he must have known at the time:</p><p></p><p>Dalton brought the body to the British military hospital in Cork, when other hospitals were nearer. Also the significance of the last point is that the British media had the story almost instantaneously (faster than the Irish media) which could be easily explained if the British were reading messages transmitted in such a long winded fashion (which probably they were, and it would go smoothly, as it always does, from British Intelligence to its media). But if it was only straight to Dublin it presents the possibility that the Dublin authorities were maybe in direct contact with British intelligence themselves.</p><p></p><p>About Dalton, its not just retrospective straws in the wind that we are talking about here, from researchers and historians long past the events in question. One of Collins’ close colleagues, and a then Commandant in the Irish army, the aforementioned William James Brennan-Whitmore, flat out accuses him of being a British agent and of killing Collins, in a 12/7/1968 <em>Evening Herald</em> article: <a href="http://www.orwellianireland.com/collins.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.orwellianireland.com/collins.jpg</a> . He didn’t name him, but there was no doubt in anybody’s mind about who he was referring to.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Michael Bartholomew Corry</strong></p><p></p><p>However this is not the end of the story. If you read the account given above about Dalton’s MI5 activities you will see mention of a memoir of his, where he states that:</p><p></p><p>The reward in question was for catching, or it seems killing, the killers of General Wilson, who Collins is accused of ordering the assassination of. But if Dalton didn’t pull the trigger who did?</p><p></p><p>Over the years quite a bit of attention has been drawn to the fact that his usual driver was dropped for the trip to Cork, and instead in Portobello Barracks he was assigned an ex-British Army private, or possibly Corporal, Michael B Corry as his driver for the trip and, as it happens, for the ambush.</p><p></p><p>Up to this article, not a lot was known about Corry, except that he was assumed to have been brought up in Cheshire in England and spoke with an English accent. Actually though he had a lot of Irish connections. His father was Luke Corry, a railway foreman or engineer thought to be from Clare, and his mother Catherine lived for quite a while until her death in 15/7/1948 at 87 North King Street in Dublin. Michael, while a ‘soldier’ and living at his mother’s address, married in 19/9/1917 Margaret Mary White from 40 Haughton’s Terrace, Arbour Hill, Stoneybatter, and they went to live at that latter address. After he retired from the Irish army he worked for many years driving a bus for C.I.E. in Dublin. His wife died in 26/1/1945 at 8 Ard Righ Place, Arbour Hill, and she is buried in the family plot in Glasnevin cemetery. There she is alongside Michael, Michael’s mother, his son Ignatius who died in 19/11/1925 aged 15 months, his daughter Margaret Mary who married John Madden in 16/7/1946, and another daughter Irene (Reni) Bernadette who died 13/7/2005 and who had married Francis Prior, a ‘security officer’ from Haywards Heath in Sussex.(12)</p><p></p><p>Michael died in 12 Ben Edair Road 23/9/1957 aged 72, of “Cardiac disease, no medical attendant”, which coincidentally was about when the first serious investigation was launched into the death of Collins.(13) This was by Rex Taylor for his book on Collins, researched during c.1956-9 and he had a difficult time with this work:</p><p></p><p>It was apparently Taylor who got Corry’s account of the ambush at Béal na Blath, which you can read here: <a href="http://sarasmichaelcollinssite.com/mccorry.htm.(15)" target="_blank">http://sarasmichaelcollinssite.com/mccorry.htm.(15)</a> But Denis Lenihan, who went through all the accounts of the ambush carefully, considered that this account was “so inconsistent with others as to be of doubtful validity.” (16) Its also strange that there are apparently two versions of this account, but only one is in the public domain.(17)</p><p></p><p>So some are looking at Corry as the real trigger man, because:</p><p>– of the coincidence of the unusual change of driver in Portobello;</p><p>– he was an ex-British soldier;</p><p>– of this paragraph published by the <em>Sunday Times</em> in 1968:</p><p></p><p></p><p>That at any rate appears to be the real story. That Dalton witnessed the killing but the actual shot was probably by Corry.</p><p></p><p>by Brian Nugent, <a href="http://www.orwellianireland.com" target="_blank">www.orwellianireland.com</a> .</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scolairebocht, post: 8900, member: 8"] [B]Emmet Dalton[/B] The convoy that emerged around the corner at Béal na Blath held not only Collins, but also the senior National Army figure at that time in Cork, Major General Emmet Dalton, who had commanded the forces that took the Four Courts which started the war. From a Nationalist family in Dublin he decided to join the British Army from the Irish Volunteers, in obedience to Redmond’s leadership in 1914/5. Redmond got him a Commission in the newly expanded British army, where he served during the war with great distinction and ended as a Major.(5) Then he joined the IRA, and while trusted, because of the influence of his brother Charles a leading figure in Collins’ squad, he nonetheless struck the Volunteers as a quintessential British officer: But there had always been rumours that he was in intelligence during WW1, and there is a specific reference that he was ADC to none other than General Sir Henry Wilson.(7) Cormaic Mac Carthaig, a leading expert on the death of Collins which he wrote about in 1968 in the Irish language publication Agus, interviewed Dalton and from this Mac Carthaig was able to establish that he had been ADC to Wilson.(8) Also Michael O’Cuinneagain, the son of a Tyrone Sinn Fein MP and indefatigable Irish history researcher, proved that he was working for British Intelligence during WWII as well, in this case MI5.(9) Furthermore, when interviewed by Cormac Mac Carthaig in July 1970 about Béal na Blath, he denied some things that are known to be true, and which he must have known at the time: Dalton brought the body to the British military hospital in Cork, when other hospitals were nearer. Also the significance of the last point is that the British media had the story almost instantaneously (faster than the Irish media) which could be easily explained if the British were reading messages transmitted in such a long winded fashion (which probably they were, and it would go smoothly, as it always does, from British Intelligence to its media). But if it was only straight to Dublin it presents the possibility that the Dublin authorities were maybe in direct contact with British intelligence themselves. About Dalton, its not just retrospective straws in the wind that we are talking about here, from researchers and historians long past the events in question. One of Collins’ close colleagues, and a then Commandant in the Irish army, the aforementioned William James Brennan-Whitmore, flat out accuses him of being a British agent and of killing Collins, in a 12/7/1968 [I]Evening Herald[/I] article: [URL]http://www.orwellianireland.com/collins.jpg[/URL] . He didn’t name him, but there was no doubt in anybody’s mind about who he was referring to. [B]Michael Bartholomew Corry[/B] However this is not the end of the story. If you read the account given above about Dalton’s MI5 activities you will see mention of a memoir of his, where he states that: The reward in question was for catching, or it seems killing, the killers of General Wilson, who Collins is accused of ordering the assassination of. But if Dalton didn’t pull the trigger who did? Over the years quite a bit of attention has been drawn to the fact that his usual driver was dropped for the trip to Cork, and instead in Portobello Barracks he was assigned an ex-British Army private, or possibly Corporal, Michael B Corry as his driver for the trip and, as it happens, for the ambush. Up to this article, not a lot was known about Corry, except that he was assumed to have been brought up in Cheshire in England and spoke with an English accent. Actually though he had a lot of Irish connections. His father was Luke Corry, a railway foreman or engineer thought to be from Clare, and his mother Catherine lived for quite a while until her death in 15/7/1948 at 87 North King Street in Dublin. Michael, while a ‘soldier’ and living at his mother’s address, married in 19/9/1917 Margaret Mary White from 40 Haughton’s Terrace, Arbour Hill, Stoneybatter, and they went to live at that latter address. After he retired from the Irish army he worked for many years driving a bus for C.I.E. in Dublin. His wife died in 26/1/1945 at 8 Ard Righ Place, Arbour Hill, and she is buried in the family plot in Glasnevin cemetery. There she is alongside Michael, Michael’s mother, his son Ignatius who died in 19/11/1925 aged 15 months, his daughter Margaret Mary who married John Madden in 16/7/1946, and another daughter Irene (Reni) Bernadette who died 13/7/2005 and who had married Francis Prior, a ‘security officer’ from Haywards Heath in Sussex.(12) Michael died in 12 Ben Edair Road 23/9/1957 aged 72, of “Cardiac disease, no medical attendant”, which coincidentally was about when the first serious investigation was launched into the death of Collins.(13) This was by Rex Taylor for his book on Collins, researched during c.1956-9 and he had a difficult time with this work: It was apparently Taylor who got Corry’s account of the ambush at Béal na Blath, which you can read here: [URL]http://sarasmichaelcollinssite.com/mccorry.htm.(15)[/URL] But Denis Lenihan, who went through all the accounts of the ambush carefully, considered that this account was “so inconsistent with others as to be of doubtful validity.” (16) Its also strange that there are apparently two versions of this account, but only one is in the public domain.(17) So some are looking at Corry as the real trigger man, because: – of the coincidence of the unusual change of driver in Portobello; – he was an ex-British soldier; – of this paragraph published by the [I]Sunday Times[/I] in 1968: That at any rate appears to be the real story. That Dalton witnessed the killing but the actual shot was probably by Corry. by Brian Nugent, [URL='http://www.orwellianireland.com']www.orwellianireland.com[/URL] . [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Name
Verification
Does Doxxie know his real father.
Post reply
Latest Threads
J
The Aisling O'Loughlin thread
Started by Jay Homer Simpson
Today at 5:55 AM
Replies: 3
Public Chat and Announcements
Origins Thread (Uncensored)
Started by AN2
Saturday at 4:01 PM
Replies: 9
Science
S
What will you write if you spoil your vote tomorrow?
Started by scolairebocht
Thursday at 7:31 PM
Replies: 10
Scholairebochts Blog.
S
Ongoing protests at the Citywest Hotel in Saggart Co. Dublin
Started by scolairebocht
Thursday at 6:27 PM
Replies: 5
Scholairebochts Blog.
S
The Anti-Mass Migration movement has to be at least partly about race, it is indeed Ireland for the Irish
Started by scolairebocht
Wednesday at 9:10 AM
Replies: 27
Scholairebochts Blog.
Popular Threads
Ukraine.
Started by Declan
Feb 21, 2022
Replies: 15K
World at War
US Politics.
Started by jpc
Nov 7, 2022
Replies: 6K
USA
Mass Migration to Ireland & Europe
Started by Anderson
Feb 26, 2023
Replies: 5K
Nationalist Politics
C
🦠 Covid 19 Vaccine Thread 💉
Started by Charlene
Sep 14, 2021
Replies: 3K
Health
General Chat in The Marcus Lounge.
Started by Declan
Dec 30, 2024
Replies: 3K
Public Chat and Announcements
The Climate Change scam
Started by Anderson
Jul 29, 2022
Replies: 2K
Climate Change
Forums
History Forums
Irish History
Who really killed Michael Collins?
Top
Bottom