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<blockquote data-quote="scolairebocht" data-source="post: 9030" data-attributes="member: 8"><p>Many many thanks for your kind comments, and I hope you like the books, anyway I think the truth really is stranger than fiction.</p><p></p><p>Here is a curious reference that I didn't know before anyway, from wikipedia on General Wilson:</p><p></p><p>"Wilson privately suspected Lloyd George of being "a traitor & a Bolshevist" (15 January 1920 – he expressed similar concerns on 27 May and 23 July – Calwell omitted most of these entries from his published version of Wilson's diaries). He was particularly concerned by the presence in May of a Soviet trade delegation led by <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Krasin" target="_blank">Krasin</a>, who on his second visit in August 1920 was accompanied by <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Kamenev" target="_blank">Kamenev</a>, who was keen to make contacts in the UK and who was subsidising the <em><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Herald_(UK_newspaper)" target="_blank">Daily Herald</a></em>.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Henry_Wilson,_1st_Baronet#cite_note-331" target="_blank">[331]</a></p><p></p><p>331. On 18 August Wilson confided his doubts in his deputy, <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Harington_(British_Army_officer,_born_1872)" target="_blank">Harington</a>, and in Lt-Gen Sir <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thwaites" target="_blank">William Thwaites</a>, Director of Military Intelligence, and later that day he saw Churchill, who wrote to the Prime Minister recommending the expulsion of the Soviet emissaries. Wilson also shared his concerns with <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_Thomson" target="_blank">Sir Basil Thomson</a>, <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistant_Commissioner_of_Police_of_the_Metropolis" target="_blank">in charge of anti-spying activities at the Metropolitan Police</a>, Admiral Sir <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montague_Browning" target="_blank">Montague Browning</a> (<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sea_Lord" target="_blank">Second Sea Lord</a>), Vice-Admiral <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmond_Brock" target="_blank">Sir Osmond de B. Brock</a> (Deputy Chief of Naval Staff), Rear Admiral <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Sinclair" target="_blank">Sinclair</a> (<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_British_Naval_Intelligence" target="_blank">Director of British Naval Intelligence</a>) and <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Trenchard,_1st_Viscount_Trenchard" target="_blank">Trenchard</a> (<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_the_Air_Staff_(United_Kingdom)" target="_blank">Chief of Air Staff</a>)."</p><p></p><p>He was now newly in the Commons, which would allow him to talk about all this if he wanted to, and certainly he was opposing Lloyd-George.</p><p></p><p>Anyway I know thats probably a stretch too far, but really we are all fooled by and underestimate how much so many of our leaders have double lives like that. I was just listening to Roger Stone a while ago, an adviser on something like 7 Presidential campaigns, who pointed out how Nixon, Johnson, Truman and Kennedy, all owed their early political rise to the mafia, and I think this is true.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scolairebocht, post: 9030, member: 8"] Many many thanks for your kind comments, and I hope you like the books, anyway I think the truth really is stranger than fiction. Here is a curious reference that I didn't know before anyway, from wikipedia on General Wilson: "Wilson privately suspected Lloyd George of being "a traitor & a Bolshevist" (15 January 1920 – he expressed similar concerns on 27 May and 23 July – Calwell omitted most of these entries from his published version of Wilson's diaries). He was particularly concerned by the presence in May of a Soviet trade delegation led by [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Krasin']Krasin[/URL], who on his second visit in August 1920 was accompanied by [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Kamenev']Kamenev[/URL], who was keen to make contacts in the UK and who was subsidising the [I][URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Herald_(UK_newspaper)']Daily Herald[/URL][/I].[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Henry_Wilson,_1st_Baronet#cite_note-331'][331][/URL] 331. On 18 August Wilson confided his doubts in his deputy, [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Harington_(British_Army_officer,_born_1872)']Harington[/URL], and in Lt-Gen Sir [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thwaites']William Thwaites[/URL], Director of Military Intelligence, and later that day he saw Churchill, who wrote to the Prime Minister recommending the expulsion of the Soviet emissaries. Wilson also shared his concerns with [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_Thomson']Sir Basil Thomson[/URL], [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistant_Commissioner_of_Police_of_the_Metropolis']in charge of anti-spying activities at the Metropolitan Police[/URL], Admiral Sir [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montague_Browning']Montague Browning[/URL] ([URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sea_Lord']Second Sea Lord[/URL]), Vice-Admiral [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmond_Brock']Sir Osmond de B. Brock[/URL] (Deputy Chief of Naval Staff), Rear Admiral [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Sinclair']Sinclair[/URL] ([URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_British_Naval_Intelligence']Director of British Naval Intelligence[/URL]) and [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Trenchard,_1st_Viscount_Trenchard']Trenchard[/URL] ([URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_the_Air_Staff_(United_Kingdom)']Chief of Air Staff[/URL])." He was now newly in the Commons, which would allow him to talk about all this if he wanted to, and certainly he was opposing Lloyd-George. Anyway I know thats probably a stretch too far, but really we are all fooled by and underestimate how much so many of our leaders have double lives like that. I was just listening to Roger Stone a while ago, an adviser on something like 7 Presidential campaigns, who pointed out how Nixon, Johnson, Truman and Kennedy, all owed their early political rise to the mafia, and I think this is true. [/QUOTE]
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