Will whipping work? The technical aspects of reintroducing restorative justice and Christian chastisement

[Diarmuid]

It is suggested that carefully regulated and safe, non-injurious infliction of pain - without bloodshed - on convicted criminals will achieve four things:

1. Some reduction in recidivism.
2. Restorative justice and a happy feeling for victims of assault, rape, theft and threatening words.
3. A regular income stream from selling admission tickets and pay per view online. An option for prisoners to opt for a whipping instead of six months in prison will free up lots of prison space.
4. A stop to refugees and work permit foreigners coming here.

As well as whipping, other non-injurious ways of inflicting pain could be used - lifting the person up by their ears, twisting their arms behind their backs, a Chinese burn by twisting skin on the arm. Great care should be taken not to break bones or cause other permanent damage.


The Singapore model works very well in some ways but fails because it is private and because it causes bleeding and because women, boys and old guys are exempt.

 

[Diarmuid]

I'll just repost a few comments from the other tread

Hermit:
It is true that corporal punishment does not necessarily deter people from crime. People commit horrific death sentence crimes in countries with capital punishment.

However, punishment should not only be about the criminal and determent. There is also the direct victim of the crime and society in general. I think it's important that they get to feel an appropriate level of justice and closure. Whipping, combined with public humiliation, might not straighten out every scumbag or deter others, but it would deter some and would at least feel cathartic for some victims.

I think it would be more satisfying to see scumbags acting the hard man get fucking humiliated in a public flogging than see them get dozens of convictions that do nothing to deter them. Many of these scumbags are not afraid of prison, some even like it, but they won't like physical pain and public humiliation. I think corporal punishment would definitely deter a lot of those council estate scumbags from anti-social behaviour - they only do it now because no one is allowed to stand up them vigilante-style and the Gardai and legal system do fuck all.

Those videos where some guy is acting the dickhead and someone knocks him out are very satisfying. Imagine if a scumbag hurt you or someone you care about, would you not want to see them get a beating? I would.

 

[Diarmuid]

Mad as Fish:

Hardly the most valid of conclusions. Is the crime rate in Singapore any lower than in similar countries with similar cultures? What other deterrents are there? For what crimes is corporal punishment used and are the rates for these crimes significantly lower than elsewhere? etc etc.

 

[Diarmuid]

An Ceannaire:

The questions were

Do smaller people get less

Do women get lashed

Would you yourself be willing to do the lashing.



Why is even a discussion about whether caning works. So to Singapore and see

 

[Diarmuid]

Let's look at the irish evidence for corporal punishment and lower crime.

We were hanging people till we didn't hang that Mohangi bastard in the early 60s. Some of the hanged were undoubtedly innocent. RIP.

We were whipping the kids till the '70s.

Crime was WAY lower in the 60s. There were barely a dozen murders a year. Now it's one every other day. Plus general assaults are way up. And thieving. And general bad attitude.

There are lots of other reasons for the increase in crime - monkey see monkey do TV thuggery, a generally lower IQ cos of fluoride and vaccines and stuff, etc.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Crime was WAY lower in the 60s. There were barely a dozen murders a year.

They say gays got some awful baytings back then. Is it true?

 

[Diarmuid]

I think in the old days if some man proposed anal sex to you, you would just hit him a few digs for being so rude. Leftie Liam O'Flaherty punched a guy into the water when he was propositioned at the docks.

It was the socially acceptable thing to do.

 

[Declan]

They say gays got some awful baytings back then. Is it true?

There was only one gay that I knew in Ireland back in the day

 

[Mad as Fish]

It is suggested that carefully regulated and safe, non-injurious infliction of pain - without bloodshed - on convicted criminals will achieve four things:

1. Some reduction in recidivism.
2. Restorative justice and a happy feeling for victims of assault, rape, theft and threatening words.
3. A regular income stream from selling admission tickets and pay per view online. An option for prisoners to opt for a whipping instead of six months in prison will free up lots of prison space.
4. A stop to refugees and work permit foreigners coming here.

As well as whipping, other non-injurious ways of inflicting pain could be used - lifting the person up by their ears, twisting their arms behind their backs, a Chinese burn by twisting skin on the arm. Great care should be taken not to break bones or cause other permanent damage.


The Singapore model works very well in some ways but fails because it is private and because it causes bleeding and because women, boys and old guys are exempt.

What proof have you that the Singapore model works well?

The level of bloodlust that tends to get expressed in these debates tends to reduce the participants to the level of the miscreants.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Let's look at the irish evidence for corporal punishment and lower crime.

We were hanging people till we didn't hang that Mohangi bastard in the early 60s. Some of the hanged were undoubtedly innocent. RIP.

We were whipping the kids till the '70s.

Crime was WAY lower in the 60s. There were barely a dozen murders a year. Now it's one every other day. Plus general assaults are way up. And thieving. And general bad attitude.

There are lots of other reasons for the increase in crime - monkey see monkey do TV thuggery, a generally lower IQ cos of fluoride and vaccines and stuff, etc.

Would it not be better to try and work out the causes of this increase and address them rather than use them as an excuse to satisfy latent sadistic desires?

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

There was only one gay that I knew in Ireland back in the day

Galway gays are the worst.

 

[clarke-connolly]

Galway gays are the worst.

Learnt all they know from Galway Hookers ! ! !

 

[Agobard Admirer]

It is suggested that carefully regulated and safe, non-injurious infliction of pain - without bloodshed - on convicted criminals will achieve four things:

1. Some reduction in recidivism.
2. Restorative justice and a happy feeling for victims of assault, rape, theft and threatening words.
3. A regular income stream from selling admission tickets and pay per view online. An option for prisoners to opt for a whipping instead of six months in prison will free up lots of prison space.
4. A stop to refugees and work permit foreigners coming here.

As well as whipping, other non-injurious ways of inflicting pain could be used - lifting the person up by their ears, twisting their arms behind their backs, a Chinese burn by twisting skin on the arm. Great care should be taken not to break bones or cause other permanent damage.


The Singapore model works very well in some ways but fails because it is private and because it causes bleeding and because women, boys and old guys are exempt.

"Blows and wounds scrub away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being."- Proverbs 20:30.

They had corporal punishment for things like shop lifting on the Isle of Mann for ages of ages and it seems to have worked.

I don't agree at all though of it being publicly displayed especially for commercial reasons.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

Galway gays are the worst.

After an intensive study of the Gays in each county, Myles has revealed his findings. He now intends to rest.

 

[clarke-connolly]

After an intensive study of the Gays in each county, Myles has revealed his findings. He now intends to rest.

Are you saying that Myles may have " Wore Out " all the Gays of Ireland ( Including Varadkar ) doing this important extensive and intensive research ? !

 

[Diarmuid]

Would it not be better to try and work out the causes of this increase and address them rather than use them as an excuse to satisfy latent sadistic desires?

It will be important that we don't give the job of whipping to the same people all the time. That's why I propose the victim chooses who gets to do the whipping.

And nobody should be whipping more than once a year. Even if we whip every Paki, Darkie and israeli on the island, there is no need for anyone to whip more than once a year.

The desire to whip bad people isn't "latent sadism" - it is caused by the actions of the putative whippees.

Sadism implies a sexual delight in whipping. But what is proposed is strictly non-sexual Christian delight. We should say a decade of the Rosary before the whipping.

If the whipper gets an erection while whipping, he will have to stop and a new whipper can finish the job.

 

[Mad as Fish]

"Blows and wounds scrub away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being."- Proverbs 20:30.

They had corporal punishment for things like shop lifting on the Isle of Mann for ages of ages and it seems to have worked.

I don't agree at all though of it being publicly displayed especially for commercial reasons.

Proverbs, isn't that a bit sort of, well, Dewish?

The IoM is a small and closed community, no doubt there were other factors at work.

 

[Mad as Fish]

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It will be important that we don't give the job of whipping to the same people all the time. That's why I propose the victim chooses who gets to do the whipping.

And nobody should be whipping more than once a year. Even if we whip every Paki, Darkie and israeli on the island, there is no need for anyone to whip more than once a year.

The desire to whip bad people isn't "latent sadism" - it is caused by the actions of the putative whippees.

Sadism implies a sexual delight in whipping. But what is proposed is strictly non-sexual Christian delight. We should say a decade of the Rosary before the whipping.

If the whipper gets an erection while whipping, he will have to stop and a new whipper can finish the job.

To be brutally honest, that's nuts.

 

[Diarmuid]

Whipping has a long and distinguished history and is by implication of the premable to Bunreacht na hEireann a constitutional right and possibly even duty.

We have a great opportunity to test the efficacy of whipping.

I propose three grades, according to severity of the crime:
1. Birching with twigs. Very painful, but won't break the skin or draw blood. Can be applied over the whole body. Feet are extra painful.
2. Jesus style braided whip. AFAIK, you'll need thirty or forty strikes before you draw blood. let's say a max of 20 or 25 strikes.
3. The old time Singapore Special. But that's not whipping. It is beating with a six foot long bamboo stick an inch thick. I suggest a much thinner cane. A quarter inch would do. They do a max of 12 strokes.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Whipping has a long and distinguished history and is by implication of the premable to Bunreacht na hEireann a constitutional right and possibly even duty.

We have a great opportunity to test the efficacy of whipping.

I propose three grades, according to severity of the crime:
1. Birching with twigs. Very painful, but won't break the skin or draw blood. Can be applied over the whole body. Feet are extra painful.
2. Jesus style braided whip. AFAIK, you'll need thirty or forty strikes before you draw blood. let's say a max of 20 or 25 strikes.
3. The old time Singapore Special. But that's not whipping. It is beating with a six foot long bamboo stick an inch thick. I suggest a much thinner cane. A quarter inch would do. They do a max of 12 strokes.

I think this would be more appropriate to the LGTBetc thread.

 

[Hermit]

As well as whipping, other non-injurious ways of inflicting pain could be used - lifting the person up by their ears, twisting their arms behind their backs, a Chinese burn by twisting skin on the arm. Great care should be taken not to break bones or cause other permanent damage.

Love that idea too, especially the humiliating element. Some people need a proper slap to their ego in addition to the physical. Humiliation will take them down a peg and will lessen their perceived lofty status amongst their fellow scumbags.

Imagine Anto acting like a cunt annoying everyone on public transport...now let's get Anto in a room and see how hard he is with a few lads lifting him up by the ears while it's broadcast live for everyone to laugh at while he looks like a clown.

Imagine hard man Deco intimidating people in public and then seeing him crying tears in pain as he's whipped. Throw him in a boxing ring with someone bigger than him and see how he gets on. Make him jump into a huge pile of shit.

Hard labour (chain gang style) might be a non-violent method that could be considered. Get these scumbags out on a farm or something to do all the tough jobs the farmer has to do.

The level of bloodlust that tends to get expressed in these debates tends to reduce the participants to the level of the miscreants.

There is some truth to that but I don't think it's fair to label people in favour of hard punishment as a sadist. Non-sadists would prefer that people didn't commit those crimes so hard punishment wouldn't be necessary.

You could label all soldiers, police, prison wardens, martial artists, heavy-contact sports people, bouncers etc. as sadists because those people get the opportunities to inflict pain and even death upon other people. The police force absolutely does attract some sadists, but we couldn't label all police as sadists. Boxers and MMA fighters do what they do because they want to slap the head off other people. They could choose a sport that doesn't involve doing that, or just stick to punching bags. But we don't call them sadists even when they are hammer-fisting guys who are clearly knocked out.

 

[Diarmuid]

Agree about prison labour. They don't get up till 8:30 and don't start work till 11.00.

Should be rise at 6:00 for two hours outdoor exercise. Start work at 9.00.

With 5k lads in jail you could clean every street every day. And it would be good for the prisoners to get some fresh air.