European elections and locals.

[scolairebocht]

Just to reply to Myles: when you are as far in as the 17th count more of the ballot papers for eliminated candidates will not be transferable, because some will have no more preferences listed or only for candidates already eliminated or elected. That phenomon is going to be greater as the counts go on.

 

[Declan]

13,000! Dan said earlier he was a shoe in

Once again, I am the most upbeat and optimistic poster on this site

 

[Declan]

John did what was needed in that count, he needs to make up 200 votes in two counts, to pip hermin.

 

[Fam Shox]

John did what was needed in that count, he needs to make up 200 votes in two counts, to pip hermin.

Talk of drama!

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

John did what was needed in that count, he needs to make up 200 votes in two counts, to pip hermin.

what's with this obsession of over two lads who have no chance of a seat?

 

[scolairebocht]

It's a long shot I admit, what do you think of Blighe's chances?

 

[Declan]

what's with this obsession of over two lads who have no chance of a seat?

First off, it is about one lad John Waters, a modern version of Charles Stewart Parnell.

 

[Declan]

It's a long shot I admit, what do you think of Blighe's chances?

I cant see him getting the votes needed

 

[scolairebocht]

Michelle Smith, just eliminated was I think the controversial leader of the Ballinrobe protests.

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

All we can say is that us here didn't vote one of these fianna fail fine Gael pricks in

 

[Declan]

They will likely adjourn after this count, i predict John will be a handful of votes ahead of Herman, and hopefully the lad behind both dont pass them out as well as john might need those few extra votes

 

[Fam Shox]

The election results are a total fucking disaster for us and the cunts in leister house know this, for the last ten minutes there's been a fakugee on Clare fm talking about the stress of fakugees having to move from one county to another. He's still on, it's mind boggling.

We are truly fucked.

 

[Fam Shox]

They will likely adjourn after this count, i predict John will be a handful of votes ahead of Herman, and hopefully the lad behind both dont pass them out as well as john might need those few extra votes

Recount.

 

[Fam Shox]

BTW, he's still on, I can't believe what I'm fucken hearing.

 

[Fam Shox]

He's still on, OK lads, nite nite.

 

[Professor]

The election results are a total fucking disaster for us and the cunts in leister house know this, for the last ten minutes there's been a fakugee on Clare fm talking about the stress of fakugees having to move from one county to another. He's still on, it's mind boggling.

We are truly fucked.

Hold on though, Clare FM is probably bought over and controlled by the "indo's" foreigner weffer owners, Ja!!?

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

We move on now to the General election where I hope the atmosphere is way more toxic for plantation parties , I have no plans to change my tune anyway

 

[AUL LAD]

It's a complex situation alright. 40K equates roughly to 20e per hour, that would not be unknown by any means, especially for experienced workers. Relaibility is the key, staff need to be there to do the job when it needs doing and that's worth paying for, made easier when the milk price is strong.

Referring to these folk as labourers does't help their percieved staus either, there can be a lot of skill and dedication involved, caring for stock and rearing the young is not a job for everyone, and the vastly more complex machines that are out there require a reasonable intelligenge if the best is to be got from them. They can be hugely productive in the right hands.

Beef farms are very often small family units run on a part time basis, so depending on how profitability is defined, there is no surprise in that many don't meet government expectations.

you have a grasp of things --i had a chat with my nephew before he left and he was i thought messing on a tablet but he announced to the father no 78 did not eat today and 109 is down on the ground and the heart beat is up and the temp is up and so on an so on-- all the cows wore a sensor which gave automatic alerts for any anomaly and they have CCTV with monitors in 3 different bedrooms to do a rota on calving .
the 40,000 includes a 3 room apartment in the old farmhouse free .
skilled people save money---- unskilled are a disaster and a danger to themselves and others .
skilled people are not available for 40,000 euros .
my son with schooling from age 4 to 26 will earn as a secondary teacher half what an electrician friend of his earns in merc sharp and dhome in carlow 68,000.
i am being paid for the first time in my life --i am supposed to be semiretired but my wife and i must soldier on for at least 2 more years as 2 masters degrees are not cheap at the same time .
most retired garda friends of mine and prison officers are working in their retirement as basic commonsense civil workers are not available.

 

[Zipporah's Flint]

I'm not a fan of JFK (and his family, save for the womenfolk, whom I pity), but I do much fancy one of his quotes. Although he was referring to captive peoples behind the Iron and Bamboo Curtains, what he said is especially salient today: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

I reckon that if we continue on the same trajectory, this will come to pass sooner or later.

An interesting thing about JFK was that he very publicly the Numerberg trials and executions. You would not get away with that today.

 

[AUL LAD]

I was screenprinting there for a few months on the minimum wage, standing beside an oven all day inhaling spray glue. And I'm 53 now. I'd stick me head up a cow's hole all day for forty grand.

your a good man idi --there are farmers who would be patient and train you if you could convince them you were up to it but at 53 they would work a younger man harder --sticking your head up a cows hole is not part of the job --wearing long gloves to your armpits and tying chains to the legs of a dead calf up a cows hole is .
i worked for a cattle vet when i was young for a while and i do not complain of my lot since --i would not stick their job for any money --most of them die young and dose themselves with their own antibiotics as you get every disease going and surgeons/consultants groan when they hear your a vet as vets do not survive generally as the initial antibiotics have no effect on them and it becomes too late to know what would save them .
bullocks in sheds will try and kill you if you are asleep and accidental nicks from syringes are part of the job .

 

[Zipporah's Flint]

Very publicly what??

Yes it was in his "Profiles of Courage" in the chapter of Robert Taft for instance.

 

[Zipporah's Flint]

Very publicly what??

Nuremberg sorry.

 

[Declan]

John needs a stroke of luck here

 

[Zipporah's Flint]

@Zipporah's Flint I was wondering what word should be after 'publicly'.

Sorry I am having a dyslexic moment- very publicly opposed. He basically agreed with Robert Taft who was the leader of the Republican Old Right that the Nuremberg trials were evil.

 

[Mad as Fish]

The whole push for 'degrees' is just so much more money grubbing. They made nursing into a 4 year degree course for which the putative nurse pays x amount of money and often goes into debt.
Back in the day - not that long ago - trainee nurses often lived in accommodation supervised by matrons or nuns and a *received* a small stipend. They learned on the job and also attended classes ofc. Wards were spotless in those days as some of you may remember. Then there were trade apprenticeships where you could learn to be a spark or a plumber or whatever at no cost. Nowadays snobbery requires " a degree". Communications, women's studies you name it.
Ask yourself who benefits from benighted, brainwashed and indebted tax cattle rather than a bright eyed lad with a real skill like carpentry. Yes the same ones who broke the back of all our civilisation while sitting pretty in a bunker.

The above has inspired me to get on and start a thread I have been meaning to create for a long time now!

Jobs, training, education and all that is related.

I've been meaning for a while to start a thread on this general subject and the posts in the Euro elections thread prompted me to actually get on with it. One of the big mysteries of our time is where have all the workers gone? I ask this because I hear a lot of businesses saying that they...

www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com

 

[valamhic]

So to summarise a little, and maybe others would have different opinion, but:
Out of 4 seats in Dublin it looks Andrews FF, Doherty FG, Lynn Boylan Sinn Fein, and maybe Niall Boylan Independent Ireland (I am only guessing but he is ahead now and we are on the 17th count so not all eliminated votes will now transfer, and he is kind of independent like Daly).
Out of 5 seats in the large Ulster/Connaught/Leinster constituency its Luke Flanagan Independent, Maria Walsh and Nina Carberry FG, Barry Cowen FF, then all to play for but Gildernew of Sinn Fein has a running mate to be eliminated, so that might be big, and Tobin Aontu and Mullooly Independent Ireland are up there but still too early to say. (Waters etc does have a chance but it is an outside one at this stage.)

The fact is large numbers of Ireland North West more voted for M Walsh. She is as left as E Ryan
or Rodrick O'Gorman. She will probably get elected. Catholic friands were urging us to vote for
Carbury to keep her out.

 

[valamhic]

This is a great post and you cannot read in one paragraph what you have just said -- nobody talks about it it is still verboten.
i passed through Mountmellic a few weeks ago and i had a group from kearla with me and as you come from Portlaoise side you face the masons hall with its very large stained glass window and these people are what used to be like 50 years ago they would bless themselves passing any church ,
and they reacted violently when they saw the pentagram and i asked whats the matter---- and one person in English said this is the sign of the antichrist -- they all knew .
today you look at orangemen wearing aprons collarettes and sashes and they belong to lodges and refer to each other as brother this and that .
Each town had at least one lodge and abbeyleix had two and the great houses had an masonic lodge in the house often registered in London.
see LADY FREEMASON on google for the lodge in donarail court cork .
when i explain the north to people i tell them the people who decided things were not christian -- no christian would do what they did .

The Masons are the principle partners in a nursing home for old people in Virginia Co. Cavan6 years opened about about 6 years ago. Entry is not confined to Masons

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

The fact is large numbers of Ireland North West more voted for M Walsh. She is as left as E Ryan
or Rodrick O'Gorman. She will probably get elected. Catholic friands were urging us to vote for
Carbury to keep her out.

Maria Walsh wanted the baby Jesus thrown out of the crib and replaced with the lgb flag.........that's the level of hatred this vile and detestable person has against the people of Ireland , and all because she herself is a sexual deviant

 

[Mad as Fish]

you have a grasp of things --i had a chat with my nephew before he left and he was i thought messing on a tablet but he announced to the father no 78 did not eat today and 109 is down on the ground and the heart beat is up and the temp is up and so on an so on-- all the cows wore a sensor which gave automatic alerts for any anomaly and they have CCTV with monitors in 3 different bedrooms to do a rota on calving .
the 40,000 includes a 3 room apartment in the old farmhouse free .
skilled people save money---- unskilled are a disaster and a danger to themselves and others .
skilled people are not available for 40,000 euros .
my son with schooling from age 4 to 26 will earn as a secondary teacher half what an electrician friend of his earns in merc sharp and dhome in carlow 68,000.
i am being paid for the first time in my life --i am supposed to be semiretired but my wife and i must soldier on for at least 2 more years as 2 masters degrees are not cheap at the same time .
most retired garda friends of mine and prison officers are working in their retirement as basic commonsense civil workers are not available.

A lot of interesting thoughts and comments being made on this subject, so I thought I'd start a new thread for it all.

Jobs, training, education and all that is related.

I've been meaning for a while to start a thread on this general subject and the posts in the Euro elections thread prompted me to actually get on with it. One of the big mysteries of our time is where have all the workers gone? I ask this because I hear a lot of businesses saying that they...

www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com

 

[valamhic]

Aul Lad is attacking Val now!

He completely fails to understand the difference between controlled migration which Ireland always had and uncontrolled migration. However when in a few years we are a minority the get out excuse will be that it was not managed properly. I doubt if anyone on this site except Kangal expressed opposition to allowing immigrants to work and contribute to our labour demands. Is there any point in me responding to his attack, I suspect he just does not get it?

 

[valamhic]

Maria Walsh wanted the baby Jesus thrown out of the crib and replaced with the lgb flag.........that's the level of hatred this vile and detestable person has against the people of Ireland , and all because she herself is a sexual deviant

They voted for her, en Masse in Ireland North West. How depressing can that be?

 

[valamhic]

Final count in Dublin the green has been eliminated niall boylan still around 3000 ahead of O'riordan .......with nobody elected some of that green vote will go to candidates ahead of boylan and O'riordan , this lessens Labour's chances of taking the seat

It is some good news to see the Greens' Cuff out. They will get no MEP at all. Maybe all the videos explaining their mad green schemes had some effect.

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

It is some good news to see the Greens' Cuff out. They will get no MEP at all. Maybe all the videos explaining their mad green schemes had some effect.

And down from 49 council seats to 23 .........is that a green shoot

 

[valamhic]

It's a complex situation alright. 40K equates roughly to 20e per hour, that would not be unknown by any means, especially for experienced workers. Relaibility is the key, staff need to be there to do the job when it needs doing and that's worth paying for, made easier when the milk price is strong.

Referring to these folk as labourers does't help their percieved staus either, there can be a lot of skill and dedication involved, caring for stock and rearing the young is not a job for everyone, and the vastly more complex machines that are out there require a reasonable intelligenge if the best is to be got from them. They can be hugely productive in the right hands.

Beef farms are very often small family units run on a part time basis, so depending on how profitability is defined, there is no surprise in that many don't meet government expectations.

Dairy farms are hard work, there is one large one run buy a farm family in the Rafaragh area of south Monaghan. Goodish land. 400 cows at least. Family business. Wife of one came in one morning after feeding calves and dropped dead aged 52. There were a few brothers and one recently pulled out. Beef farming does not tie one down to the same extent. There is a little money in it and it is traditional. It is usually run as a sideline to a job. There is hardly a day when I don't get a scrape of cut on the hands. A lot of the work I do can only be done by myself with family. I contract most of my tractor work and pay for it. There are some people round here who love livestock farming. They even tell me that. Most have wives working in good jobs.

 

[valamhic]

13,000! Dan said earlier he was a shoe in

It changing as the count continues

 

[valamhic]

Niall Blaney FF got 595 transfers from Barrett, more than the 547 to Hermann Kelly. Hundreds more of Barrett's transfers gone to Ming/FF/FG/SF. You'd have to wonder what kind of person votes no. 1 for "literally Hitler" while also giving their second preferences to anti-Hitler candidates.

I got a text now from a neighbour working in Dublin who is following the election there and supporting Nial Boylan. Says 11,000 spoiled voted in Dublin were because voters voted 1,2 and 3 on the local election paper and continued on to the Euro paper with 4, 5, and 6.

 

[valamhic]

For me, these elections have been disastrous. 75% of people in poll after poll said they were against the Plantation. Yet there's been practically no change.

In the locals FFG have more or less retained their vote as have SF (some of FFG's went to SF). The micro lefty Dáil parties have also held their vote while Independents haven't gained.

The Euros are even more depressing with out and out Planters getting elected. The only sliver of light is that N. Boylan might get in.

Its a terrible feeling when you realise your fellow Irishmen and women are gutless sellouts. I felt the same not that long ago during the virus nonsense.

I tell ye, the surviving rebels on the trail after Vinegar Hill felt no more devastated than I do right now.

Although this post is a while back and dated as the count proceeds, I am beginning to feel the same way. The Irish people used say "who else had we to vote for?" This time they had a clear choice with the NP and IFP, they chose Ming and Maria Walsh.

 

[valamhic]

Well Val above is disputing the statement that Irish elections are rigged by the media, they simply exclude honest people from the airways so they cannot get elected and that's mostly how things are rigged.

Well here's an example. If you watch this interview - the presenter is David O Reilly by the way, probably the principal person behind the Irish People Party - you can see what is clearly an intelligent and articulate man, very concerned about his country, who only gets some 200 or so odd votes because, as he explains, he was systematically excluded from the media. Its John D Walsh who was running in Waterford:

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/LrXUZM5QlT4?si=cXlWWoF5MU--s_7n

The electoral Act of 1992 is fair enough but Section 121 on the counting of votes is not well written. The voting is fair and square, the counting is fair and square and the result is fair and square. People who claim otherwise do so in ignorance. It is one of the most open systems in the world and if the media rig it that is a totally other story. My only real good skill is that I can count. Tens of thousands of people cannot even vote 1,2 and 3.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Sticking your head up a cows hole is not part of the job .

I hope you're not writing the job advertisements for your son Aul Lad.

 

[valamhic]

It is a sight to Christ that on a busy thread like this Dan allows the Auld Lad to rave on about the Free Masons. He would get no response on this topic anywhere else so he dumps it in here as we are trying to follow the election. Very poor modding