Helen McEntee's Hate laws

[Hermit]

Has anyone a list ofg the politicians who voted for the bill. I cannot find it on line

Bottom of the page here:

Dáil Éireann debate - Wednesday, 23 Oct 2024

Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022: From the Seanad Dáil Éireann debate - Wednesday, 23 Oct 2024

www.oireachtas.ie

Tá​

• Bacik, Ivana.
• Brophy, Colm.
• Browne, James.
• Bruton, Richard.
• Burke, Colm.
• Burke, Peter.
• Butler, Mary.
• Byrne, Thomas.
• Cairns, Holly.
• Calleary, Dara.
• Cannon, Ciarán.
• Carroll MacNeill, Jennifer.
• Collins, Niall.
• Costello, Patrick.
• Coveney, Simon.
• Creed, Michael.
• Crowe, Cathal.
• Devlin, Cormac.
• Dillon, Alan.
• Donnelly, Stephen.
• Duffy, Francis Noel.
• Durkan, Bernard J.
• English, Damien.
• Farrell, Alan.
• Feighan, Frankie.
• Flaherty, Joe.
• Fleming, Sean.
• Foley, Norma.
• Gannon, Gary.
• Griffin, Brendan.
• Haughey, Seán.
• Heydon, Martin.
• Higgins, Emer.
• Hourigan, Neasa.
• Howlin, Brendan.
• Humphreys, Heather.
• Kelly, Alan.
• Lahart, John.
• Lawless, James.
• Leddin, Brian.
• Madigan, Josepha.
• Martin, Catherine.
• McAuliffe, Paul.
• McConalogue, Charlie.
• McEntee, Helen.
• McHugh, Joe.
• Moynihan, Aindrias.
• Moynihan, Michael.
• Murnane O'Connor, Jennifer.
• Murphy, Catherine.
• Naughton, Hildegarde.
• Noonan, Malcolm.
• O'Brien, Darragh.
• O'Brien, Joe.
• O'Callaghan, Cian.
• O'Callaghan, Jim.
• O'Connor, James.
• O'Dea, Willie.
• O'Donnell, Kieran.
• O'Dowd, Fergus.
• O'Gorman, Roderic.
• O'Sullivan, Christopher.
• O'Sullivan, Pádraig.
• Ó Cathasaigh, Marc.
• Ó Cuív, Éamon.
• Phelan, John Paul.
• Rabbitte, Anne.
• Richmond, Neale.
• Ring, Michael.
• Sherlock, Sean.
• Shortall, Róisín.
• Smith, Brendan.
• Smith, Duncan.
• Smyth, Niamh.
• Smyth, Ossian.
• Stanton, David.
• Varadkar, Leo.
• Whitmore, Jennifer.

Níl​

• Andrews, Chris.
• Barry, Mick.
• Boyd Barrett, Richard.
• Browne, Martin.
• Buckley, Pat.
• Canney, Seán.
• Carthy, Matt.
• Clarke, Sorca.
• Collins, Joan.
• Collins, Michael.
• Connolly, Catherine.
• Conway-Walsh, Rose.
• Cronin, Réada.
• Crowe, Seán.
• Cullinane, David.
• Daly, Pa.
• Doherty, Pearse.
• Donnelly, Paul.
• Ellis, Dessie.
• Farrell, Mairéad.
• Fitzmaurice, Michael.
• Grealish, Noel.
• Guirke, Johnny.
• Harkin, Marian.
• Healy-Rae, Danny.
• Healy-Rae, Michael.
• Kenny, Gino.
• Kerrane, Claire.
• Lowry, Michael.
• Mac Lochlainn, Pádraig.
• MacSharry, Marc.
• McDonald, Mary Lou.
• McGrath, Mattie.
• Mitchell, Denise.
• Munster, Imelda.
• Murphy, Paul.
• Mythen, Johnny.
• Nolan, Carol.
• O'Donoghue, Richard.
• O'Rourke, Darren.
• Ó Broin, Eoin.
• Ó Laoghaire, Donnchadh.
• Ó Murchú, Ruairí.
• Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
• Pringle, Thomas.
• Quinlivan, Maurice.
• Ryan, Patricia.
• Smith, Bríd.
• Tóibín, Peadar.
• Tully, Pauline.
• Ward, Mark.
• Wynne, Violet-Anne.

 

[Anderson]

Bottom of the page here:

Dáil Éireann debate - Wednesday, 23 Oct 2024

Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022: From the Seanad Dáil Éireann debate - Wednesday, 23 Oct 2024

www.oireachtas.ie

Is that accurate?

Looks like a lot of the lunatic fringe on the left voted no.

 

[Wolf]

Is that accurate?

Looks like a lot of the lunatic fringe on the left voted no.

Because it didn't go far enough for them....

 

[Anderson]

I wonder if RTE will start providing health segment shows for all the genders now?


View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1849359216143716597

 

[clarke-connolly]

I wonder if RTE will start providing health segment shows for all the genders now?


View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1849359216143716597

Is that Sinn Féin's next Leader ? !

 

[Anderson]

Is that Sinn Féin's next Leader ? !

Not diverse enough.

 

[clarke-connolly]

Not diverse enough.

Probably have to Cut Off one its Tits and Blacken the Other Tit ! !

 

[clarke-connolly]

I wonder if RTE will start providing health segment shows for all the genders now?


View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1849359216143716597

Could it be any more obvious that this is ~ ~ A Great Big Fetish for 99% of these Gimps !

 

[Mad as Fish]

I wonder if RTE will start providing health segment shows for all the genders now?


View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1849359216143716597

You wouldn't want to be holding her hand in a thunderstorm.

 

[AN2]

You wouldn't want to be holding her hand in a thunderstorm.

lol But his

 

[AN2]

View: https://x.com/greenparty_ie/status/1849217674301042798

Roderic says the quiet part out loud

Protected characteristic Minority status


View: https://t.me/rossmueller_dissident/1338
[Text]
HATE CRIME BILL WITH WOKE REDEFINITION OF GENDER IN IRELAND!

That new bill will mean that for the first time in Irish history, there will be increased prison sentences for crimes which were found to have involved an element of hatred.

Justice Minister Helen McEntee, vindicateed that bill: “It is not acceptable that some people live in fear simply because of who they are.”

❗️Hi, you clown McEntee, don't you realise that precisely this is the case regarding the indigenous white population in their own country!

Dáil passes hate crime legislation

The Dáil has this evening passed the Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill.

www.rte.ie

 

[clarke-connolly]

^ ^ ^ Communist.

 

[Hermit]

Is that accurate?

Looks like a lot of the lunatic fringe on the left voted no.

It's the list from the Oireachtas so it's accurate. SF voted no but they voted yes to a previous version of the bill, as far as I remember. The lunatic fringe are not against hate crime legislation, they are just doing their usual thing of voting against whatever the Government proposes.

 

[Mad as Fish]

It's the list from the Oireachtas so it's accurate. SF voted no but they voted yes to a previous version of the bill, as far as I remember. The lunatic fringe are not against hate crime legislation, they are just doing their usual thing of voting against whatever the Government proposes.

What were the changes made?

 

[Hermit]

What were the changes made?

I don't know what the changes are from the original bill, supposedly it's a watered down version that passed. Here's what McEntee said:

Amendments Nos. 1 to 5, inclusive, and 21 to 23, inclusive, remove references to incitement to violence or hatred from the Bill. This includes amendments to the Long Title and the Short Title, as provided for in section 1. The Short Title will become the "Criminal Justice (Hate Offences) Act 2024". Amendments Nos. 10 to 20, inclusive, 64 and 75 involve the deletion of sections 6 to 16, inclusive, which make up Part 2 of the Bill, and of references elsewhere to incitement to violence or hatred and to the EU framework decision on combating racism and xenophobia. The Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act 1989 will no longer be repeated, so section 4, which provides for that repeal, will be deleted through amendment No. 9.

 

[valamhic]

View: https://x.com/greenparty_ie/status/1849217674301042798

Roderic says the quiet part out loud

Protected characteristic Minority status


View: https://t.me/rossmueller_dissident/1338
[Text]
HATE CRIME BILL WITH WOKE REDEFINITION OF GENDER IN IRELAND!

That new bill will mean that for the first time in Irish history, there will be increased prison sentences for crimes which were found to have involved an element of hatred.

Justice Minister Helen McEntee, vindicateed that bill: “It is not acceptable that some people live in fear simply because of who they are.”

❗️Hi, you clown McEntee, don't you realise that precisely this is the case regarding the indigenous white population in their own country!

Dáil passes hate crime legislation

The Dáil has this evening passed the Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill.

www.rte.ie

Where does the act say anything about Minority status? It does say National or Ethnic Origin.

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/bill/2022/105/eng/ver_c/b105c22d-p-c-sent-gr.pdf

 

[AN2]

Where does the act say anything about Minority status?

Nowhere. Read my post

(If you can't read a post for comprehension then I don't think that you should be running for election)

It does say National or Ethnic Origin.

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/bill/2022/105/eng/ver_c/b105c22d-p-c-sent-gr.pdf

 

[Wolf]

I wonder if RTE will start providing health segment shows for all the genders now?


View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1849359216143716597

The state should be investing in mental health services so they can actually help people like that instead of facilitating their mental decline.

 

[valamhic]

Nowhere. Read my post

(If you can't read a post for comprehension then I don't think that you should be running for election)

Surely if the greens advertise they have made laws to protect minorities, I am entitled to ask where or who the minorities are
mentioned in the act.

 

[valamhic]

T
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I don't know what the changes are from the original bill, supposedly it's a watered down version that passed. Here's what McEntee said:

The power of the Minister to name protected groups by statutory instrument is not in this act. Instead there is a list of
conditions affecting persons. It includes the chosen gender including trans gender and any other gender chosen.

It could be a claim by a person to have fallen in love with a telegram pole. In fact the onus is on a person charged to prove their words did not cause offence.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ygSifZlZw&t=890s

 

[AN2]

Surely if the greens advertise they have made laws to protect minorities, I am entitled to ask where or who the minorities are
mentioned in the act.

I said that they're saying the quiet part out loud

Hate crime is supposed to be about "protected characteristics"

So if someone's yelling - "Take that! You straight, white, Christian c*nt!".. That's supposed to be a hate crime. But we all know that it won't be

 

[nobody knows I'm a dog]

"Take that you tight Cavan bastard!"

 

[nobody knows I'm a dog]

See there I'm stereotyping as well as attacking a minority as there's only a mere 80 thousand Cavan people.

 

[AN2]

See there I'm stereotyping as well as attacking a minority as there's only a mere 80 thousand Cavan people.

Technically a minority, in some frame of reference

Don't think it would work in court tho

Also tight isn't a protected characteristic, you can be as selfish as you want

 

[valamhic]

The history of the bill is here.

Criminal Justice (Hate Offences) Act 2024

<p>Act to provide for certain offences aggravated by hatred in the Criminal Damage Act 1991, the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act 1994 and the Non-Fatal Offences against the Person Act 1997; for that purpose, to provide for amendments of those and other enactments; to provide in respect of...

www.oireachtas.ie

 

[nobody knows I'm a dog]

We need to examine ways to take the piss out of these stupid laws.

Like the good folks in England who registered their frozen chickens.

 

[AN2]

We need to examine ways to take the piss out of these stupid laws.

Like the good folks in England who registered their frozen chickens.

 

[Mad as Fish]

See there I'm stereotyping as well as attacking a minority as there's only a mere 80 thousand Cavan people.

Technically speaking, being a bastard is something that is rapidly losing its minority status.

There are probably more people born out of wedlock in Ireland than there are people in Co Cavan.

 

[valamhic]

Can anyone say what a gender is? from this in the act.


(d) “gender” means the gender of a person or the gender which a person expresses as the person’s preferred gender or with which the person identifies and includes transgender and a gender other than those of male and female,
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So, my reading of it is that there is male, female transgender any gender the person expresses a preferences for plus any gender other than male and female. So are there more genders than stars in the Milky way Gaxaxy?

 

[valamhic]

Sharon Keogan lists genders in Seanad for 25 minutes

The Irish Government's Hate Crime Bill aims to protect "genders other than that of male or female" and recognise them in Irish criminal law. To show how widely this

itv.ie

 

[nobody knows I'm a dog]

Sharon Keogan lists genders in Seanad for 25 minutes

The Irish Government's Hate Crime Bill aims to protect "genders other than that of male or female" and recognise them in Irish criminal law. To show how widely this

itv.ie

Just listening now, that's some tongue twister she's doing.
Can't wait for the remix to come out.

 

[valamhic]

Just listening now, that's some tongue twister she's doing.
Can't wait for the remix to come out.

Did you note there is a horse gender. So if a man says he loves a horse in the field, ties the horse to a gate and tries to copulate, The farmer who ownes the horse cannot say a word?

 

[valamhic]

Life imprisonment, and the treatment will be harsh.

 

[clarke-connolly]

Being White means that you are part of a Global Minority = = Now a persecuted global minority !

 

[nobody knows I'm a dog]

Great as it is, it appears that Sen. Keoghan is only addressing the gender aspect of the hate legislation. What about all the other bits?

 

[Wolf]

Being White means that you are part of a Global Minority = = Now a persecuted global minority !

Especially straight white males.

 

[clarke-connolly]

Especially straight white males.

The Persecution of White Straight Males has to stop = = White Straight Males have to be Protected as a Persecuted Minority.

 

[Wolf]

The Persecution of White Straight Males has to stop = = White Straight Males have to be Protected as a Persecuted Minority.

I want my reparations.
I'll settle for a million.

 

[clarke-connolly]

I want my reparations.
I'll settle for a million.

You deserve more = = You have had it particularly bad = = 1 million up front an on-going millions as you need them, is the least that you deserve.

 

[valamhic]

Great as it is, it appears that Sen. Keoghan is only addressing the gender aspect of the hate legislation. What about all the other bits?

Here is a bit. You can be jailed to offending someone with sexual characteristics. It means:

(f) references to sex characteristics shall be construed as references to the physical and biological features of a person relating to sex,

There are two things there. the word sex at the very end: Does that mean sexual intercourse or sexual activity?

So are not all people born with sexual characteristics?