Do you believe in God, deities, souls, spirits & things like that?

[AN2]

No answers all usual.

Your low IQ is showing again

‘Other people this and other people that’. Nothing about yourself though.

So, presumably we have to wait for Skippy to come along and answer on your behalf again.

Pathetic.

 

[Tiger]

Your low IQ is showing again

Deflection isn’t an answer.

Let’s try again as a demonstration…

James, as someone with mixed heritage can you talk us through your nationalistic views? Are they Anglo/Irish or do you consider yourself a full Irish nationalist?

When you speak of ethnicity, do you mean British or Irish?

 

[AN2]

Deflection isn’t an answer.

Let’s try again as a demonstration…

James, as someone with mixed heritage

I am? What makes you say that?

can you talk us through your nationalistic views? Are they Anglo/Irish or do you consider yourself a full Irish nationalist?

When you speak of ethnicity, do you mean British or Irish?

 

[Tiger]

I am? What makes you say that?

Your Dad is English.

This conversation doesn’t have to happen 1 sentence at a time. You could just set out your position.

It shouldn’t be like getting blood from a stone.

 

[AN2]

Your Dad is English.

What makes you say that?

 

[Tiger]

What makes you say that?

One of your parents is a Protestant from England or Scotland. Given that your surname isn’t Irish, it’s probably your Dad.

You bragged about your ancestry before and how it goes back to Mary Queen of Scots (or someone like that).

 

[AN2]

One of your parents is a Protestant from England or Scotland. Given that your surname isn’t Irish, it’s probably your Dad.

Well, both of my parents are dead but how many people do you think you exclude from being Irish based on their surname or religion* do you think, ballpark?

You bragged about your ancestry before and how it goes back to Mary Queen of Scots (or someone like that).

Yes, I'm related to this woman, which is why my middle name is Stuart

*My father was an atheist

 

[Tiger]

Well, both of my parents are dead but how many people do you think you exclude from being Irish based on their surname or religion* do you think, ballpark?


Yes, I'm related to this woman, which is why my middle name is Stuart

*My father was an atheist

I exclude people from being Irish, who are not Irish. Like people from England and Scotland.

 

[AN2]

I exclude people from being Irish, who are not Irish. Like people from England and Scotland.

How would you define someone being from England or Scotland? Both of my parents were born in Ireland so that's not it

 

[Tiger]

How would you define someone being from England or Scotland? Both of my parents were born in Ireland so that's not it

Depends on where their parents are from.

Do you think ‘anchor babies’ are Irish?

 

[AN2]

Depends on where their parents are from.

Their parents, do you mean the grandparents of the individual you are assessing as being Irish, or not?

Do you think ‘anchor babies’ are Irish?

I'll tell you what I think that is, are you good at cryptic crosswords?

 

[Fishalt]

Your argument completely misses the elephant in the room: it’s precisely the modern, Godless worldview you and so many others here espouse that has led to Irish people selfishly turning away from family life. The modern, secular individual seems trapped in a state of perpetual adolescence, living at home with their parents well into their 30s, binge-watching Netflix, and playing video games, all while bemoaning the state of the nation. This isn’t "well-meaning" childlessness—it’s a choice driven by immaturity, lack of direction, and obsession with comfort over responsibility.

Contrast this with the work I’ve seen in the trenches of real Irish communities. I’ve worked alongside Pro-Life groups helping young Irish girls who feel they have no one to turn to. These groups provide genuine support, showing them that abortion—(chopping a baby into pieces and throwing it in a bin, or worse, selling its remains to feed the international abortion industry's sick black market on body parts)—is not their only option. Because of this work, there are now delightful Irish children this weekend playing GAA and football, preparing for Christmas, and looking forward to bright futures. None of that would have been possible without Catholic values of love and sacrifice guiding such efforts.

In my professional life, I’ve worked as a Director in my company, actively pushing back against the growing trend of overseas recruitment. In an industry that relies on rare specialized skills, it would’ve been easy to tap into international talent pools, but I persuaded the leadership to invest in local Irish talent instead. This isn’t just about jobs—it’s about preserving our community and providing young Irish workers with the opportunity to thrive in their own country. How many so-called secular 'nationalists' mocking Catholicism can say they’ve done anything even remotely as practical to protect and preserve Irish sovereignty and culture?

What’s your contribution? Spending endless hours on 4Chan or James, drinking and smoking at home playing online chess and arguing about ethno-nationalism? That's not building a nation; that’s a hobby. As I said before, atheists like you make terrible nationalists because nationalism requires real, tangible action, not keyboard pontificating.

And let’s not forget, the last person to truly galvanize Irish public opinion and defeat an overwhelming political and media establishment was Declan Ganley—a practicing Catholic. Ganley, nearly single-handedly, led the charge to defeat the Lisbon Treaty, standing firm against the might of the EU and every major Irish political party.

It's economics and successive bad governments that are responsible for the social phenomena you describe, not lack of faith. Japan is still quite socially conservative, traditional and gendered and in case you have noticed, it's not a catholic nation. Conservatism does not require Catholicism or indeed any form of Christianity to flourish.

I'm not going to throw shit at young people for staying at home longer than my generation (or yours) because they inherited a world in which owing property, and creating and maintaining a family is exponentially more difficult and requires, comparably, significantly more resources. They must also assume far more risk due to different sociological and legal conditions which make cohabitating and marriage far less appealing.

If it was your company, you were obviously the director, and unless you had a board, you shouldn't have needed to convince the leadership of anything. I don't smoke, don't do drugs (anymore) and only drink socially. You've literally spent upwards of 40% of your time on Sarsfields arguing with James about everything. A stone thrown in a glass house, Tiger. If you must know, I'm currently overseeing a macro-scale ecological restoration project. The budget is quite large, and it is extremely complicated. Nationalism, to me, includes not just people but the soil, plants and animals also.

I'm not especially interested in what you think does and does not make a good nationalist. Your version of Catholic nationalism has no future and will never be implemented at any meaningful level whatsoever, because it is outdated and has no consensus. Nor will it ever have any. Ditto Brocht's bullshit. It's all just snow on the edge of spring. The best either of you can hope for is to make the evening news, in which you will predictably be derided and written-off as antiquated, mean-spirited, stale Mick farts. Which of course you both are. The archdioceses will likely release a public statement denouncing both of you, the movement, and you will then have to live with the embarrassment of having been betrayed by the very institution you've spent your lives defending and advocating for.

 

[Tiger]

It's economics and successive bad governments that are responsible for the social phenomena you describe, not lack of faith. Japan is still quite socially conservative, traditional and gendered and in case you have noticed, it's not a catholic nation. Conservatism does not require Catholicism or indeed any form of Christianity to flourish.

I'm not going to throw shit at young people for staying at home longer than my generation (or yours) because they inherited a world in which owing property, and creating and maintaining a family is exponentially more difficult and requires, comparably, significantly more resources. They must also assume far more risk due to different sociological and legal conditions which make cohabitating and marriage far less appealing.

If it was your company, you were obviously the director, and unless you had a board, you shouldn't have needed to convince the leadership of anything. I don't smoke, don't do drugs (anymore) and only drink socially. You've literally spent upwards of 40% of your time on Sarsfields arguing with James about everything. A stone thrown in a glass house, Tiger. If you must know, I'm currently overseeing a macro-scale ecological restoration project. The budget is quite large, and it is extremely complicated. Nationalism, to me, includes not just people but the soil, plants and animals also.

I'm not especially interested in what you think does and does not make a good nationalist. Your version of Catholic nationalism has no future and will never be implemented at any meaningful level whatsoever, because it is outdated and has no consensus. Nor will it ever have any. Ditto Brocht's bullshit. It's all just snow on the edge of spring. The best either of you can hope for is to make the evening news, in which you will predictably be derided and written-off as antiquated, mean-spirited, stale Mick farts. Which of course you both are. The archdioceses will likely release a public statement denouncing both of you, the movement, and you will then have to live with the embarrassment of having been betrayed by the very institution you've spent your lives defending and advocating for.

Rolf, you, as a distant foreigner, you haven’t a clue what has lead to the social phenomenon that I have talked about. Also, let’s address the casual slur, “stale Mick farts”. Not only does this betray a deep disdain for Irish people, but it shows you’ve got no business involving yourself in any conversation about Irish nationalism (showing that I'm correct in thinking that you are bit of cunt). You don’t just sound out of touch—you sound like someone who actively despises the country you claim to care about. A nationalist? Hardly. You’re just another wannabe pseudo nationalist sneering down your nose at the people whose culture you neither respect nor understand. The last thing Ireland needs is your ideals or your involvement.

Your fixation on economics as the sole cause of Ireland’s social collapse is a lazy excuse to dodge the real issue: moral and cultural decay. Yes, Japan is conservative and socially cohesive, but that’s because they’ve held on to their traditions and sense of national identity—unlike modern Ireland, which has gutted itself by trading Catholic values for secular hedonism and consumerism. You’ve never set foot Ireland, what the fuck do you know. You can’t even compare the two. Ireland’s problem isn’t a lack of money; it’s a lack of soul. And that, my friend, is on the shoulders of people like you who peddle a Godless worldview while pretending that economics alone can fix what’s broken.

Your argument about young Irish adults staying at home and avoiding families reeks of condescension. It’s not housing prices alone that keep them from growing up; it’s the fact that the modern atheist mindset has sold them a lie. They’ve been told that personal pleasure is paramount, that family is a burden, and that commitment is optional. This has led to a nation of perpetual adolescents, obsessed with escapism and unwilling to embrace adulthood. You’re defending a system that’s robbed an entire generation of direction and purpose. Congratulations on playing your part in creating it.

Meanwhile, I’m out here doing something. I’m part of a group of businesspeople, military leaders, doctors, scientists and others who work behind the scenes (meeting several times a year in hotels around the country for the past 11 years) to build practical solutions for Ireland’s problems. One of our projects is creating a public banking system to free Irish people from the predatory clutches of global financial institutions—something Germany already does successfully, and we are trying to mimic despite the states objections. Another focus has been supporting young women in crisis pregnancies, giving them real alternatives to abortion. Thanks to those efforts, there are children alive today—playing GAA, enjoying Christmas, and bringing joy to their communities—who would otherwise have been dismembered and sold for parts by the monstrous international abortion industry, something that you support based on the canard of pregnancies being the result of 'gang rapes'.

What’s your contribution to Aussie nationalism? Oh, right—some vague ecological project. Important work, no doubt (I have an island in Clew bay that I plant trees on) does that make me special? No. So, forgive me if I’m unimpressed by someone who plants trees while their nation is being culturally annihilated.

You mock me for arguing with James, but at least I’m standing up for something. Meanwhile, you spend your days typing pseudointellectual screeds and smugly patting yourself on the back. Nationalism, you say, includes “soil, plants, and animals.” Admirable sentiment, but what about the people? Or do you see them as expendable?

And let’s not pretend you’re offering anything new. People like you are ten a penny in Ireland: smug, nihilistic, and utterly useless. You mock Catholic nationalism as outdated, but secular nationalism in Ireland has achieved nothing. Show me one victory, one leader, one movement that has advanced your cause. You can’t. Because all the so-called secular nationalists are busy arguing on 4chan or obsessing over online debates. Meanwhile, the last Irish nationalist to capture the public imagination and make a real impact was Declan Ganley—a practicing Catholic who single-handedly defeated the Lisbon Treaty and the entire Irish political establishment. Where’s your secular equivalent? Nowhere. Because atheists make terrible nationalists, and your lot has yet to prove otherwise.

You try to paint Catholic nationalism as outdated, but the truth is, you’ve got no vision, no victories, and no plan. Just empty rhetoric and a lot of excuses. You mock the Church, yet it’s the only institution that ever gave Ireland its moral backbone. Without it, we’re left with your version of “nationalism,” which is nothing but intellectual masturbation dressed up as policy. Go ahead, plant your trees, but don’t pretend you’re building a future for Ireland. The only thing you’re growing is irrelevance.

 

[AN2]

Another fucking essay

Spew your Catholic bigotry elsewhere and stop pretending that you're a nationalist

 

[Tiger]

Another fucking essay

Spew your Catholic bigotry elsewhere and stop pretending that you're a nationalist

Ah, the refuge of the shallow mind—the dismissal of serious discourse with a sneer and an emoji. This is the hallmark of those who lack the capacity to engage with substance. If advocating for the moral, spiritual, and cultural foundations of Irish identity strikes you as 'Catholic bigotry,' it says far more about your ignorance of Irish history than it does about me.

And let’s be honest: the atheist 'nationalists' in this thread are as useful to Ireland as a screen door on a submarine. No campaigns, no grassroots organizing, no concrete actions—just a lot of posturing online while the culture they claim to defend crumbles under their watch.

They’re spectators, not participants, in the struggle for Ireland’s soul. Until you’ve actually done something tangible to benefit this nation—something beyond tossing insults on a screen—you’re irrelevant to any serious conversation about its future.

 

[AN2]

Ah would you ever shut the fuck up

Director of a company, martyr of the people.. No, it's just you and a few other beed rattlers. You're an auld Catholic gobshite. It's why you have to write a thousand words to try to mask it

 

[Tiger]

Another fucking essay

Spew your Catholic bigotry elsewhere and stop pretending that you're a nationalist

You seem think that people who are from foreign nations being born in Ireland and claiming to be Irish is a 'red herring'. That's a strange position for a chap who claims to be more of an 'Ethno-Nationalist' than Padraig Pearse whom you claimed 'Nah'......to the suggestion that he was an 'Ethno-nationalist'. I'm pretty sure I know that Pearse didn't think of English and Scottish people as being Irish, and he'd be right. They're English and Scottish.

The paradox of self-proclaimed 'ethno-nationalists' of mixed heritage who imagine themselves as heirs to Padraig Pearse, the man who gave his life for a vision of Irishness steeped in culture, language, and sacrifice. Let’s untangle this.

Irishness, as Pearse understood it, was not a mere accident of geography or a legal technicality—it was a cultural, spiritual, and historical identity, forged in the crucible of centuries-long resistance and nourished by faith, language, and tradition. To claim to surpass Pearse while standing on a foundation of diluted heritage and a hollow conception of identity that ignores these elements is, frankly, laughable.

Mixed heritage doesn't disqualify someone from Irishness per se, but it demands honesty about what one is. If your identity is genuinely Irish, it will be expressed in your loyalty to its traditions, your reverence for its martyrs, and your commitment to preserving the Irish soul—not in trying to outdo those whose blood, faith, and sacrifices built the nation in the first place.

If your 'ethno-nationalism' is just a badge to wear in online debates, untethered from the faith, values, and culture that define the true Irish ethos, you're not more Pearse than Pearse—you’re simply appropriating his legacy while contributing nothing to its continuation.

 

[Fishalt]

Rolf, you, as a distant foreigner, you haven’t a clue what has lead to the social phenomenon that I have talked about. Also, let’s address the casual slur, “stale Mick farts”. Not only does this betray a deep disdain for Irish people, but it shows you’ve got no business involving yourself in any conversation about Irish nationalism (showing that I'm correct in thinking that you are bit of cunt). You don’t just sound out of touch—you sound like someone who actively despises the country you claim to care about. A nationalist? Hardly. You’re just another wannabe pseudo nationalist sneering down your nose at the people whose culture you neither respect nor understand. The last thing Ireland needs is your ideals or your involvement.

You really are a very silly, angry old man Tiger. First up, let me iterate that again, I don't respect your opinion as to what makes a nationalist and what doesn't. I don't have disdain for the Irish people. They're great. That's why I'm here. What you really mean is that only Catholics can be Irish, and that anybody who doesn't agree with this assessment is a traitor to the Irish. Which is about the sort of thing I'd expect a frothing ideologue such as yourself to say, think and believe.

Your fixation on economics as the sole cause of Ireland’s social collapse is a lazy excuse to dodge the real issue: moral and cultural decay. Yes, Japan is conservative and socially cohesive, but that’s because they’ve held on to their traditions and sense of national identity—unlike modern Ireland, which has gutted itself by trading Catholic values for secular hedonism and consumerism. You’ve never set foot Ireland, what the fuck do you know. You can’t even compare the two. Ireland’s problem isn’t a lack of money; it’s a lack of soul. And that, my friend, is on the shoulders of people like you who peddle a Godless worldview while pretending that economics alone can fix what’s broken.

I don't entirely disagree with this. Moral and cultural decay is a problem that needs to be addressed. Unlike yourself, I am not deranged, vain and self-righteous enough to pretend that I, saviour of the world and its peoples, know how to fix it all with an off-the-wall religious-based solution. What I can tell you is that Catholicism can't. This should be obvious. It's had a fair shot by now, especially in Ireland--wouldn't you agree? National Identity isn't as simple as religious subscription. You've already made this point for me. You are neither exceptional nor unusual. Fairly Atypical. Another petty, Boomer-brained Zealot with a terminal case of main character syndrome. Inferior minds, like inferior artists, always know whose fault it all is.

Your argument about young Irish adults staying at home and avoiding families reeks of condescension. It’s not housing prices alone that keep them from growing up; it’s the fact that the modern atheist mindset has sold them a lie. They’ve been told that personal pleasure is paramount, that family is a burden, and that commitment is optional. This has led to a nation of perpetual adolescents, obsessed with escapism and unwilling to embrace adulthood. You’re defending a system that’s robbed an entire generation of direction and purpose. Congratulations on playing your part in creating it.

I see. How exactly do you expect them to 'grow up' when for the majority of them homeownership is likely to remain out-of-reach forever, marriage as institution has failed due to progressive iterations of feminism, there is no job or business confidence, and rent and utility prices are so astronomical that after covering the essentials of existence they have virtually nothing liquid remaining to actually enjoy life? Is that how you spent your early twenties and thirties--working to eat and keep the lights on? I highly doubt it. More to the point, why should you even expect them to engage in higher responsibility or frankly to give a fuck about anything? If you're never going to be able to secure a stable future anyway, why not simply resort to base consumerism and Hedonism? Take what you can and give nothing back. That's the prevailing attitude when socioeconomics are as they currently are in not just Ireland, but my country, the UK, and America. You want them to embrace all the downside of becoming an adult with none of the upside. Sounds like a shitty deal, even from where I stand. I'm not saying I agree with it. But you'd have to be you to fail to understand how it happens.


You try to paint Catholic nationalism as outdated, but the truth is, you’ve got no vision, no victories, and no plan. Just empty rhetoric and a lot of excuses. You mock the Church, yet it’s the only institution that ever gave Ireland its moral backbone. Without it, we’re left with your version of “nationalism,” which is nothing but intellectual masturbation dressed up as policy. Go ahead, plant your trees, but don’t pretend you’re building a future for Ireland. The only thing you’re growing is irrelevance.

Even if I don't, how does this change the fact Catholic Nationalism isn't the solution? To be clear, I'm not advocating for the dissolution of Catholic Nationalism. There are some positive aspects to it. But it must never be the forefront of the Nationalist movement broadly speaking--and thankfully, never will be. The amount of people in Ireland who want people like you running the opposition could scarcely pack a street corner. You are toxic waste in terms of PR.

The difference between you and me, Tiger is that you are a petty, would-be tyrant who seeks ownership and direction of what nationalism is. Your version of Nationalism is essentially theocracy. My version of Nationalism is a confederacy.

 

[AN2]

You seem think that people who are from foreign nations being born in Ireland and claiming to be Irish is a 'red herring'.

Ah listen here, ya fucking moron

It's a red herring to introduce anchor babies, a phenomenon relating to immigration brought about as a 'loophole' of the GFA which the Irish people overwhelmingly voted against in a referendum. You're incredibly tiresome

That's a strange position for a chap who claims to be more of an 'Ethno-Nationalist' than Padraig Pearse whom you claimed 'Nah'......to the suggestion that he was an 'Ethno-nationalist'. I'm pretty sure I know that Pearse didn't think of English and Scottish people as being Irish, and he'd be right. They're English and Scottish.

The paradox of self-proclaimed 'ethno-nationalists' of mixed heritage who imagine themselves as heirs to Padraig Pearse, the man who gave his life for a vision of Irishness steeped in culture, language, and sacrifice. Let’s untangle this.

Irishness, as Pearse understood it, was not a mere accident of geography or a legal technicality—it was a cultural, spiritual, and historical identity, forged in the crucible of centuries-long resistance and nourished by faith, language, and tradition. To claim to surpass Pearse while standing on a foundation of diluted heritage and a hollow conception of identity that ignores these elements is, frankly, laughable.

Mixed heritage doesn't disqualify someone from Irishness per se, but it demands honesty about what one is. If your identity is genuinely Irish, it will be expressed in your loyalty to its traditions, your reverence for its martyrs, and your commitment to preserving the Irish soul—not in trying to outdo those whose blood, faith, and sacrifices built the nation in the first place.

If your 'ethno-nationalism' is just a badge to wear in online debates, untethered from the faith, values, and culture that define the true Irish ethos, you're not more Pearse than Pearse—you’re simply appropriating his legacy while contributing nothing to its continuation.

 

[AN2]

Is anyone else fed up with @Tiger?

I know I am

 

[Tiger]

Is anyone else fed up with @Tiger?

I know I am

I'm not surprised you're fed up after all, it's not easy being confronted with your own anti-nationalist, anti-Irish agenda. The problem here is your inability to grasp the essence of true nationalism, and your apparent indifference to it. You’ve never lifted a finger to actually help the cause you claim to espouse. Instead of doing anything constructive, you’re content with whining and deflecting.

It’s easy to throw around insults and criticisms, but when it comes time to put in the work and actually contribute to the movement, all you’ve got is empty rhetoric and a refusal to engage in meaningful action. You're just a spectator, criticizing from the sidelines, while those who are serious about nationalism get down to business.

 

[AN2]

I'm not surprised you're fed up after all, it's not easy being confronted with your own anti-nationalist, anti-Irish agenda.

What?

The problem here is your inability to grasp the essence of true nationalism

What's that, write it here -

___________________________________________

I've said myself, a thousand times, that the only nationalism is ethnic nationalism, Christians more than welcome

, and your apparent indifference to it. You’ve never lifted a finger to actually help the cause you claim to espouse. Instead of doing anything constructive, you’re content with whining and deflecting.

It’s easy to throw around insults and criticisms, but when it comes time to put in the work and actually contribute to the movement, all you’ve got is empty rhetoric and a refusal to engage in meaningful action. You're just a spectator, criticizing from the sidelines, while those who are serious about nationalism get down to business.

Yes Mowl

 

[Tiger]

Skippy,

You’re a typical product of modern delusion, and it’s no surprise you can’t see the forest for the trees. Your dismissive attitude towards my position as “silly, angry old man” is merely the knee-jerk reaction of someone who’s too comfortable in their intellectual cowardice to challenge their own assumptions. To put it bluntly, I’m probably 10 to 20 years younger than you, and yet your arguments are as stale and vacuous as a sermon in some ecumenical, hollowed-out church.

You prattle on about Irish identity like it’s some trivial debate, but it’s clear you’re completely detached yourself from the spiritual and cultural roots that made Ireland, Ireland. You've never set foot in Ireland, you're not Irish, you haven't a clue what's happening on the ground. You seem to think “Irishness” is merely an accessory you can put on when it’s convenient, rather than a sacred bond forged in blood, faith, and history. You’re living in denial. You're not Irish.

Your blanket dismissal of Catholicism as a solution for moral and cultural decay is nothing more than the tired, arrogant screed of a man too blinded by his secularism to understand what’s truly at stake. You wave away Catholicism with a flippant statement like “it’s had its shot,” but what you’re really saying is that you’ve had enough of the only moral compass that could right this ship. Catholicism, flawed as it is in its human expression, provides the foundation for any real social order. Unless you're more than 60 or 70 years old, the you've never experienced Catholicism or ever been to a real mass. You pretend to know better, but in reality, you offer nothing but vapid, untested ideas that have no grounding in anything tangible. Your critique is empty because you refuse to acknowledge the role of divine order in human civilization. You mock the idea that faith could help restore what’s been lost, but if you think any secular nationalism will carry any weight in the long run, then you’re deluding yourself.

You ask me about the younger generation, as if I don’t understand the economic reality they face. You seem to believe I’m some privileged relic of the past who’s never had to “work to eat and keep the lights on.” Let me make it clear, I don’t “throw my hands up in despair” as you do. I started from poverty in a working-class area known for violence and anti-social behaviour. I see the economic carnage that has been wreaked upon Ireland and beyond, and I know it’s the consequence of a moral vacuum that your secularism has bred. Young people today are trapped in an existential nightmare, one where they’re told to live for pleasure, to indulge in consumerism, and to despair of ever owning a home or raising a family. And you want to criticize them for their apathy when the system has stacked the deck against them? You’d rather blame them than face the fact that the very conditions that lead to this nihilism have been fostered by the progressive, secular worldview you champion.

You say that Catholic Nationalism “isn’t the solution” but that’s because, deep down, you know that any true solution requires a return to spiritual and cultural integrity. What you advocate, this so-called “confederacy,” is merely a desperate attempt to form a nationalism stripped of any moral backbone. It’s a hollow shell with no roots, destined to fall apart the minute real challenges present themselves. Your “confederacy” can’t stand because it’s built on nothing but the vague notions of people like you, who think they can substitute ideology for faith. The only thing that will hold Ireland together is a return to the principles that once gave it its strength—and those principles are grounded in Catholicism, whether you like it or not.

But you, of course, want to dismiss all of that. You’ll have no part in a real, grounded nationalism. You’d rather be a part of the flaccid, toothless movement that makes a mockery of Irish heritage while accomplishing nothing of substance. You’ve done nothing practical to advance Irish nationalism—nothing to heal the wounds your own worldview has inflicted. Instead of attacking those who are fighting for Ireland’s future, why not ask yourself: what have you done? As I said before, it’s easy to sit in the comfort of your ignorance and mock others. But real nationalists, like the Catholics you so disdain, are working to restore what has been lost. You, meanwhile, offer nothing but the faintest of echoes of a dead idea. If you want to understand what a real nationalist looks like, try looking beyond your own narrow, self-centered lens for once.

In the end, the truth remains: people like you are toxic for any meaningful nationalist cause. You’ll never build anything lasting because your ideas are grounded in nothing but personal ego and a desire to destroy what you cannot understand. If you think you’re advancing nationalism, you’re only proving my point—that atheists and secularists make the worst nationalists. And history will continue to show that the people who have built and sustained true nations have always been those who understood the necessity of faith as the glue that binds us all together. You, sir, are not one of those people.

 

[AN2]

Oh for the love of fucking God..

 

[AN2]

If you're wondering why nationalists are critical of "Christian "nationalism"", @Tiger Exhibit A

 

[Tiger]

Oh for the love of fucking God..

Is it a coincidence that both you and Myles, both known alcoholics have an issue with posts of more than 1 sentence long and videos more than 10 seconds long?

I think not.

You need to start reading books James.

 

[AN2]

Is it a coincidence that both you and Myles, both known alcoholics have an issue with posts of more than 1 sentence long and videos more than 10 seconds long?

I think not.

You need to start reading books James.

I don't have an issue with posts more than one sentence long. You could make your point, if there even is one, in about 1% percent of the words you type and the filler (99%) becomes nauseating

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

More bullshit slogans from the myopic, insular, ignorant US white supremacist doctrine.Nationalism in the past messed up Greece/Turkey, and it was nationalism, mainly in the guise of Arabism destroyed such cities as Alexandria, Saloniki, Aleppo, Smyrna, Constantinople, by attacking their multicultural make up.PS Don't conflate nationalism with localism either. E.g. you can be a Maronite, or Shiite, or Armenian "nationalist" without imposing your preferences on others, and without others imposing their preferences on you.

What the fu*k are you talking about???

 

[Tiger]

I don't have an issue with posts more than one sentence long. You could make your point, if there even is one, in about 1% percent of the words you type and the filler (99%) becomes nauseating

You don’t like short posts either…

Let me demonstrate….

If two Indians come to Ireland and live here for several years and eventually have a kid in Ireland, is the child Irish?

 

[AN2]

You don’t like short posts either…

Let me demonstrate….

If two Indians come to Ireland and live here for several years and eventually have a kid in Ireland, is the child Irish?

You're basically a leftist.

According to you, no. Which is the same for me, according to you

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Skippy, it’s astonishing (or maybe not that astonishing) how your interpretation of my reference to Thomas Clarke manages to miss the point entirely, revealing not just ignorance but an apparent inability to comprehend what’s being discussed. The mention of Clarke wasn’t an appeal to resurrect his precise methods or transplant 1916 nationalism wholesale into 2024.

I'm not sure anyone here even knew Clarke was a Catholic extremist until you kept mentioning him in that regard.

In fact I recall studying the man years ago and never came to that conclusion.

My abiding memory is of Gen Tom Barry calling him the toughest man in Ireland's history.

You keep citing him with your Catholic fanaticism. Why!???

 

[AUL LAD]

How would you define someone being from England or Scotland? Both of my parents were born in Ireland so that's not it

Fishal

Your fixation on economics as the sole cause of Ireland’s social collapse is a lazy excuse to dodge the real issue: moral and cultural decay. Yes, Japan is conservative and socially cohesive, but that’s because they’ve held on to their traditions and sense of national identity—unlike modern Ireland, which has gutted itself by trading Catholic values for secular hedonism and consumerism. You’ve never set foot Ireland, what the fuck do you know. You can’t even compare the two. Ireland’s problem isn’t a lack of money; it’s a lack of soul.

Your argument about young Irish adults staying at home and avoiding families reeks of condescension. It’s not housing prices alone that keep them from growing up; it’s the fact that the modern atheist mindset has sold them a lie. They’ve been told that personal pleasure is paramount, that family is a burden, and that commitment is optional. This has led to a nation of perpetual adolescents, obsessed with escapism and unwilling to embrace adulthood. You’re defending a system that’s robbed an entire generation of direction and purpose.

Meanwhile, I’m out here doing something. I’m part of a group of businesspeople, military leaders, doctors, scientists and others who work behind the scenes (meeting several times a year in hotels around the country for the past 11 years) to build practical solutions for Ireland’s problems. One of our projects is creating a public banking system to free Irish people from the predatory clutches of global financial institutions—something Germany already does successfully, and we are trying to mimic despite the states objections. Another focus has been supporting young women in crisis pregnancies, giving them real alternatives to abortion. Thanks to those efforts, there are children alive today—playing GAA, enjoying Christmas, and bringing joy to their communities—who would otherwise have been dismembered and sold for parts by the monstrous international abortion industry, something that you support based on the canard of pregnancies being the result of 'gang rapes'.

yourself on the back. Nationalism, you say, includes “soil, plants, and animals.” Admirable sentiment, but what about the people? Or do you see them as expendable?

. Meanwhile, the last Irish nationalist to capture the public imagination and make a real impact was Declan Ganley—a practicing Catholic who single-handedly defeated the Lisbon Treaty and the entire Irish political establishment. Where’s your secular equivalent? Nowhere. Because atheists make terrible nationalists, and your lot has yet to prove otherwise.

i deleted the personal attacks from your reply and what is left is quite decent and worth reading --many of your very good posts are destroyed by
calling the person you are writing to a cunt .
because you mentioned a public banking system i am going to refer you to the works of a great German economist called Richard Werner .
Richard was the only economist in Ireland who required the point depot to accommodate the amount of people who wished to hear him speak .
he is truthful and unafraid of the powers that be to tell the truth .
i have his most famous book PRINCES OF THE YEN .
you can watch a very good video of princes of the yen narrated by Richard on u tube --you will be impressed and see the wisdom of the Japanese to do most of their banking in the post office .
the enemy of the Japanese are the same enemy we have and the Germans have and both have a community bank system impossible to control as it is community based and not traded on the stock exchange .
deutsche bank has been destroyed and owes trillions .
what you may not know as it is too inc readable for people to get their heads around that one person could have such wealth --- Odette Bishoffshein ( lady Desart irelands most famous Jewish woman and senator ) came to Ireland with her sister Amile both were given we are told 35 million pounds EACH as their dowery in 1890 worth a lot more today.
Emile married sir Michael Fitzgearld knight of Kerry and Ellen Odette married William Cuffe of Cuffsgrange kilkenny.

their father increadably founded 3 of the worlds giant banks AT THE SAME TIME BY ONE MAN .
DEUTSCHE BANK + PARIBAS BANK + SOCIETIE GENERAL.
When you are attending your next meeting of bankers you should bring with you the manifesto of Gottfreid Feder free online --he was an amature economist and WW2 was fought to extinguish his banking ideas and the people who adopted them were destroyed .
during this time Germany went from starvation and suicide to the wealthiest t country in the world --but today nobody is allowed to study how this happened and why did it take the combined world economies to defeat a country with no gold and not allowed to trade internationally since 1933.

 

[Tiger]

I'm not sure anyone here even knew Clarke was a Catholic extremist until you kept mentioning him in that regard.

In fact I recall studying the man years ago and never came to that conclusion.

My abiding memory is of Gen Tom Barry calling him the toughest man in Ireland's history.

You keep citing him with your Catholic fanaticism. Why!???

Myles the only person who can answer questions on why you are ignorant of something is you. I can’t help you there.

Also, you seem to think any practicing Catholic is a "fanatic," which says more about their own biases than anything else.

One of the few decent people putting themselves forward as a nationalist candidate is Malachy Steenson, a practicing Catholic who spoke at this year's Pro-Life march—a reminder that genuine nationalists in Ireland often draw strength from their faith. Do you think Malachy is a ‘fanatic’?

We are now 16 pages into this discussion, and nobody has explained why post-Catholic Ireland has produced precisely zero nationalist figureheads or movements of any note. Skippy claims Catholics should be nowhere near nationalist movements, and yet, without them, there would be nothing to speak of whatsoever.

 

[Tiger]

Fishal

i deleted the personal attacks from your reply and what is left is quite decent and worth reading --many of your very good posts are destroyed by
calling the person you are writing to a cunt .
because you mentioned a public banking system i am going to refer you to the works of a great German economist called Richard Werner .
Richard was the only economist in Ireland who required the point depot to accommodate the amount of people who wished to hear him speak .
he is truthful and unafraid of the powers that be to tell the truth .
i have his most famous book PRINCES OF THE YEN .
you can watch a very good video of princes of the yen narrated by Richard on u tube --you will be impressed and see the wisdom of the Japanese to do most of their banking in the post office .
the enemy of the Japanese are the same enemy we have and the Germans have and both have a community bank system impossible to control as it is community based and not traded on the stock exchange .
deutsche bank has been destroyed and owes trillions .
what you may not know as it is too inc readable for people to get their heads around that one person could have such wealth --- Odette Bishoffshein ( lady Desart irelands most famous Jewish woman and senator ) came to Ireland with her sister Amile both were given we are told 35 million pounds EACH as their dowery in 1890 worth a lot more today.
Emile married sir Michael Fitzgearld knight of Kerry and Ellen Odette married William Cuffe of Cuffsgrange kilkenny.

their father increadably founded 3 of the worlds giant banks AT THE SAME TIME BY ONE MAN .
DEUTSCHE BANK + PARIBAS BANK + SOCIETIE GENERAL.
When you are attending your next meeting of bankers you should bring with you the manifesto of Gottfreid Feder free online --he was an amature economist and WW2 was fought to extinguish his banking ideas and the people who adopted them were destroyed .
during this time Germany went from starvation and suicide to the wealthiest t country in the world --but today nobody is allowed to study how this happened and why did it take the combined world economies to defeat a country with no gold and not allowed to trade internationally since 1933.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this Aul Lad—Richard Werner’s work, especially on community-based banking systems, is something I’ve admired for a while, and it’s spot on for the problems we’re facing. A public banking system like Japan’s or Germany’s would be a game changer for Ireland, giving ordinary people a real alternative to the predatory practices of our current banking cartel.

Sadly, it feels like that’s a pipe dream right now—our institutions seem so deeply captured that they’ll do whatever it takes to protect the status quo, no matter how much damage it causes. I think we’d need an overhaul of the political and legal system to have any chance.

 

[AN2]

Myles the only person who can answer questions on why you are ignorant of something is you. I can’t help you there.

Also, you seem to think any practicing Catholic is a "fanatic," which says more about their own biases than anything else.

One of the few decent people putting themselves forward as a nationalist candidate is Malachy Steenson, a practicing Catholic who spoke at this year's Pro-Life march—a reminder that genuine nationalists in Ireland often draw strength from their faith. Do you think Malachy is a ‘fanatic’?

We are now 16 pages into this discussion, and nobody has explained why post-Catholic Ireland has produced precisely zero nationalist figureheads or movements of any note. Skippy claims Catholics should be nowhere near nationalist movements, and yet, without them, there would be nothing to speak of whatsoever.

You have introduced your religion now to nationalism itself to criticise "secular nationalism" yet no one here is a secular nationalist. A secular nationalist would not be a nationalist who's atheist, like a Christian nationalist would not be a nationalist who's Christian. Secularism has nothing to do with my nationalism, zip, zero, nada

You also lump us all in as being anti-Catholic, pro-abortion etc. yet I've written posts in this thread about being the opposite

If @Fishalt thinks that nationalism would be better off without the likes of you, then I'm sure it would be with the caveat - likes of you and not Catholics in general. And I would tend to agree with him, you're not a nationalist, you are a fanatical Catholic bigot

 

[Tiger]

You have introduced your religion now to nationalism itself to criticise "secular nationalism" yet no one here is a secular nationalist. A secular nationalist would not be a nationalist who's atheist, like a Christian nationalist would not be a nationalist who's Christian. Secularism has nothing to do with my nationalism, zip, zero, nada

You also lump us all in as being anti-Catholic, pro-abortion etc. yet I've written posts in this thread about being the opposite

If @Fishalt thinks that nationalism would be better off without the likes of you, then I'm sure it would be with the caveat - likes of you and not Catholics in general. And I would tend to agree with him, you're not a nationalist, you are a fanatical Catholic bigot

Mulling over the definition of “secular nationalism” is a distraction that literally no one else on earth is bothered about but you. You spend more time worrying about definitions and categories than you do about anything practical to actually benefit your country. All this navel-gazing doesn’t build communities, protect our heritage, or lift a single Irish family out of hardship. It’s a dead-end discussion, and everyone except you seems to know it.

That said, it’s good to hear you don’t want Irish mothers to murder their children. It’s hard to call yourself a nationalist while sanctioning the killing of innocent children of that very nation, so at least you’ve got that right.

Rolf’s opinions on this matter—or any other—are completely irrelevant. He has no connection to this country and never will. Meanwhile, I’ve been involved in practical efforts to help my countrymen. You’re mere spectators in the arena, throwing stones while others do the actual work.

 

[AN2]

Mulling over the definition of terms is a distraction

lol Unfuckingbelievable

I think your best hope in this thread is that people will come to the conclusion that you've been trolling for page after page (but I think that's highly unlikely, you're too stupid to troll)

 

[Tiger]

lol Unfuckingbelievable

I think your best hope in this thread is that people will come to the conclusion that you've been trolling for page after page (but I think that's highly unlikely, you're too stupid to troll)

Another hopeless retort devoid of substance.


Reminder…. We are now 16 pages into this discussion, and nobody has explained why post-Catholic Ireland has produced precisely zero nationalist figureheads or movements of any note.

 

[AN2]

Another hopeless retort devoid of substance.


Reminder…. We are now 16 pages into this discussion, and nobody has explained why post-Catholic Ireland has produced precisely zero nationalist figureheads or movements of any note.

You have turned nationalism into an attack vector on atheism, you're obsessed

I do wonder if you're actually more obsessed with atheism than you are Catholicism

 

[Tiger]

You have turned nationalism into an attack vector on atheism, you're obsessed

I do wonder if you're actually more obsessed with atheism than you are Catholicism

Once again, not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Here’s a reminder of the OP…

“I think a genuinely right-wing view of life needs to be based in a genuine belief in God, deities, souls & spirits.

For instance you always find Leftists saying they don't mind Buddhism of the religions because there are no deities or concepts of God in this religion which is probably not entirely true.

The only way to return to a more agricultural way of life is through faith in God, I think.”