Andrew Gold Tackles The Taboo Topic Of Race Realism

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Do you understand why?

E.g. Do you understand the difference between a real individual and the "average" individual that statistical science presents?

Or, are you familiar with the influence of Francis Galton on statistical science, the methods he introduced, and the statistical justification of eugenics that stemmed from that?

It might do you a world of good to attempt to wrap your head around these things.
lol So retarded that only roc could've written it

Statistics are not racist

The only thing you could be talking about is an action based on those statistics, whether that's a eugenics program, or as is sometimes said (about victims of crime) - "That never happens to racists", or, "Around blax, never relax", etc.
 

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@SwordOfStZip, can you please qualify this -

You have a good few "White Nationalists" who believe that the other races evolved up from monkeys through Darwinian Evolution but that "Aryans" are the special creation of Space Aliens
 

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@SwordOfStZip, can you please qualify this -

You have a good few "White Nationalists" who believe that the other races evolved up from monkeys through Darwinian Evolution but that "Aryans" are the special creation of Space Aliens

There was this discussion of this on the old "Surviving Weimerika" channel and on "Iron March". "Atomwaffen" and "National Action" members were into these ideas. I think "Atlantean" even played with them. Sure I doubt you would find such ideas at an "American Renaissance" conference.
 

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What is interesting is that roc_ believes that Darwinian Evolution does not apply to those who he racializes as "Jews".
 

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There was this discussion of this on the old "Surviving Weimerika" channel and on "Iron March". "Atomwaffen" and "National Action" members were into these ideas. I think "Atlantean" even played with them. Sure I doubt you would find such ideas at an "American Renaissance" conference.
I'm not aware of any white nationalists who deny evolution (plenty of Christians do, though)

Btw, there isn't really a concept of "evolving up" (or down) in evolution
 

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What is interesting is that roc_ believes that Darwinian Evolution does not apply to those who he racializes as "Jews".
I sorta doubt that

I think he's guest posting here as Yer Ma., perhaps he can clarify..
 

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I'm not aware of any white nationalists who deny evolution (plenty of Christians do, though)

Btw, there isn't really a concept of "evolving up" (or down) in evolution

Well these characters believed that Aliens gave a massive boost to human evolution through genetic engineering when it comes to those they consider to be "Whites".

More importantly I think you can be a Christian and "White Nationalist" as in a normal Christian and not some "Christian Identity" type weirdie. Though obviously you can only be a Christian and a "White Nationalist" within certain limits. The below character is an old fashioned Lutheran in Religious matters. Saying that does not mean that I approve of "White Nationalism"- there are plenty of things I disagree with but people can still hold to them and be good Christians.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkcodQW6XuM



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9vF079PS1A



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GzxCrzNZM
 

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Well these characters believed that Aliens gave a massive boost to human evolution through genetic engineering when it comes to those they consider to be "Whites".
Well then I think that they're loopers and hardly representative of white nationalism

More importantly I think you can be a Christian and "White Nationalist" as in a normal Christian and not some "Christian Identity" type weirdie. Though obviously you can only be a Christian and a "White Nationalist" within certain limits. The below character is an old fashioned Lutheran in Religious matters. Saying that does not mean that I approve of "White Nationalism"- there are plenty of things I disagree with but people can still hold to them and be good Christians.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkcodQW6XuM



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9vF079PS1A



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GzxCrzNZM

That's six hours of video, I'm not sure if or how you think I would respond to it
 

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Well these characters believed that Aliens gave a massive boost to human evolution through genetic engineering when it comes to those they consider to be "Whites".

More importantly I think you can be a Christian and "White Nationalist" as in a normal Christian and not some "Christian Identity" type weirdie. Though obviously you can only be a Christian and a "White Nationalist" within certain limits. The below character is an old fashioned Lutheran in Religious matters. Saying that does not mean that I approve of "White Nationalism"- there are plenty of things I disagree with but people can still hold to them and be good Christians.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkcodQW6XuM



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9vF079PS1A


Baha! I guess Corey is a race realist, some timestamps -


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GzxCrzNZM&t=58m3s


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GzxCrzNZM&t=1h24m17s
 

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Apparently Mahler justifies his race realism with biblical nonsense about other races being descendants of the cursed, or whatevs.. But it is a question I've asked myself. I think I asked @scolairebocht but he didn't answer (he rarely does)

How about you @SwordOfStZip, or @Tiger? I know that neither of you are nationalists but can you be a race realist and a belieber? 🤔
 

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Apparently Mahler justifies his race realism with biblical nonsense about other races being descendants of the cursed, or whatevs.. But it is a question I've asked myself. I think I asked @scolairebocht but he didn't answer (he rarely does)

How about you @SwordOfStZip, or @Tiger? I know that neither of you are nationalists but can you be a race realist and a belieber? 🤔

Yes you can be a "race realist" as you understand that term and a Believing Christian but you do not have to be as far as I can see.

I put Corey Mahler forward on this thread as an example of one who is what you would call a "race realist" and a "White Nationalist" but who does have a mainstream so to speak Christian Faith (something which Wesley Swift and William Potter Gale did not have).

I do think Corey Mahler has Religiously problematic beliefs but they are the usual Lutheran stuff.
 

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Apparently Mahler justifies his race realism with biblical nonsense about other races being descendants of the cursed, or whatevs.. But it is a question I've asked myself. I think I asked @scolairebocht but he didn't answer (he rarely does)

How about you @SwordOfStZip, or @Tiger? I know that neither of you are nationalists but can you be a race realist and a belieber? 🤔

I am pretty sure that Tiger considers himself to be a Nationalist.
 

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Yes you can be a "race realist" as you understand that term
I understand the term as it's understood

and a Believing Christian
How? Why would God make the races different (on average), is Mahler's gobbledygook the answer?

but you do not have to be as far as I can see.

I put Corey Mahler forward on this thread as an example of one who is what you would call a "race realist" and a "White Nationalist" but who does have a mainstream so to speak Christian Faith (something which Wesley Swift and William Potter Gale did not have).

I do think Corey Mahler has Religiously problematic beliefs but they are the usual Lutheran stuff.
I think he thinks Roman Catholicism is anti-nationalist
 

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I understand the term as it's understood


How? Why would God make the races different (on average), is Mahler's gobbledygook the answer?


I think he thinks Roman Catholicism is anti-nationalist
"Man was made in the image of God"

Why would he dick around with races? 🤔
 

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Wow.

Imagine being this stupid. You don't understand anything.
  • Meaning of "Image":
    While the exact meaning of "image" is debated, it generally refers to a resemblance to God in terms of spiritual, moral, and intellectual capacity. Humans, unlike other creatures, can understand and reflect God's nature.
Mahler clearly thinks that isn't the case (not in equal measure anyway) and he's a Christian
 
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Tiger isn't a nationalist?

People have different definitions of that term. A lot of the time arguments about phraseology are a waste of time. I would consider Tiger to be a nationalist but Jambo would not but I do not see any point in arguing him out of that position.
 
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People have different definitions of that term. A lot of the time arguments about phraseology are a waste of time. I would consider Tiger to be a nationalist but Jambo would not but I am do not see any point in arguing him out of that position.
Tiger doesn't think that I'm a nationalist so we're even :)

Neither of you answered my question, btw
 

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I would say there is not being racist enough & being too racist.

For instance there are a lot of people from Italy with Arabick blood but I would not exclude Italy from a united European front.
 

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Do you understand why?

E.g. Do you understand the difference between a real individual and the "average" individual that statistical science presents?

Or, are you familiar with the influence of Francis Galton on statistical science, the methods he introduced, and the statistical justification of eugenics that stemmed from that?

It might do you a world of good to attempt to wrap your head around these things.

You have and the Mowl have won so much relative to the Ireland you were born into- but despite all the sucesses you have seen you remain so bitter, that is rather counter-intuitive is it not?
 

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Coal Miners were generally Black when they finished work ! ! !

That must be what they are getting at !
 
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People have different definitions of that term.
No. Most people have a sense of the etymology of the term.

They use the usual route of intelligent conversation to come to agreement about what they mean, and what they're trying to say.

Jambo on the other hand works on simple "variables".

I.e. Someone feeds in a particular definition of "nationalist" to his simplistic Cpu brain, whether Marc Kollett, Heath Woods, Morgosh or some other white supremacist wanker.

And there his algorithm sticks.
 

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No. Most people have a sense of the etymology of the term.

They use the usual route of intelligent conversation to come to agreement about what they mean, and what they're trying to say.

Jambo on the other hand works on simple "variables".

I.e. Someone feeds in a particular definition of "nationalist" to his simplistic Cpu brain, whether Marc Kollett, Heath Woods, Morgosh or some other white supremacist wanker.

And there his algorithm sticks.

If someone places allegiance to something supra-National before allegiance to their Nation can they still be called a Nationalist? Some would say yes and some would say no.
 
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If someone places allegiance to something supra-National before allegiance to their Nation can they still be called a Nationalist? Some would say yes and some would say no.
If I was to have a conversation with someone intelligent to come to agreement about this concept of "nationalism", as a basis for further conversation, I would probably begin from a position along lines of how Orwell described Nationalism.


Acknowledging I don't think there is anyone on here I think worth engaging in conversation. I would probably get further talking to my dog.
 

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If I was to have a conversation with someone intelligent to come to agreement about this concept of "nationalism", as a basis for further conversation, I would probably begin from a position along lines of how Orwell described Nationalism.


Acknowledging I don't think there is anyone on here I think worth engaging in conversation. I would probably get further talking to my dog.

@Myles O'Reilly you still think "Yer Ma" is Tadgh?

Irish Republicans and Tankies loathe George Orwell with a passion actually for pretty legitimate reasons number one.
 

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If I was to have a conversation with someone intelligent to come to agreement about this concept of "nationalism", as a basis for further conversation, I would probably begin from a position along lines of how Orwell described Nationalism.

Your software needs an update (for the 21st century)

Acknowledging I don't think there is anyone on here I think worth engaging in conversation. I would probably get further talking to my dog.
The irony..
 

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No. Most people have a sense of the etymology of the term.

They use the usual route of intelligent conversation to come to agreement about what they mean, and what they're trying to say.
Jambo on the other hand works on simple "variables".

I.e. Someone feeds in a particular definition of "nationalist" to his simplistic Cpu brain,
What's annoying my brain now is how you spell CPU

whether Marc Kollett, Heath Woods, Morgosh or some other white supremacist wanker.
Clearly lying about other people doesn't bother you

And there his algorithm sticks.
🤪
 
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"Race is real, but no where near as real as individuality."


It's the statistical distribution, stupid.
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