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Haven said:
You are a complete fucking moron.
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Please don't ever stop, you rabid cunt.
Although in your case it should be a myxomatosis ridden cunt. :)


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if Putin is so bad why does Dugin like him - there used to be a website called Lumine Boreali which posted information about Ukraine Nationalists who were opposing the EU - now obviously Putin is making Ukrainians become Russian - but isnt that preferable to the EU
 
céline said:
if Putin is so bad why does Dugin like him - there used to be a website called Lumine Boreali which posted information about Ukraine Nationalists who were opposing the EU -
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Eh, it's less that he "likes" him, and more that Putin is like a channel or medium for his ideas.


View: https://x.com/MehdiHasanShow/status/1511847783157878786

céline said:
now obviously Putin is making Ukrainians become Russian - but isnt that preferable to the EU
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Wanting to join the EU is basically a choice to join the international western administrative system, an international legal and institutional system one joins by choice.

Noting this western international administrative system is at root a system based on network-based trade and individual rights and freedom to transact, under the constraint of social progress.

So Ukraine simply was choosing what order they wanted to be a part of, towards developing their people and potential. And they wanted to choose this system to the immediate west of them.

Whereas the competing system to the east under Putin's Russia, that Putin is attempting to force the Ukrainians to join, is a very different type of system - it consists of an imperialistic type of order, organised along nationalistic ethnic lines (slavic), upholding the idea of the all powerful nation state, etc.

Putin's system is a totalitarian and authoritarian order, with an all powerful despot at the top, no freedom to express political views against that despotism, that seeks expansion, and to increase their own power at the expense of others.

So the Ukrainians didn't want that, and that is what they are fighting against, to avert that fate, and be forced into it.

It is apparent to me that the way clueless useful fools on here cheerlead to see the Ukrainians' fate be forced down the road that Putin offers is revealing of your own mentality.

E.g. See how it ties into your other views, evidenced on this forum. E.g. Indifference to the fate of those forced into the mother and child homes and industrial schools, or the fate of women, typically young, vulnerable, who are pregnant and due to their wider circumstances facing highly difficult choices, etc, etc, etc.
 
I think if you read this article, interestingly, you will find it is also to a significant degree an x-ray of the hive mind that the vast majority of Sarsfield's contributors are assimilated into.

balticsentinel.eu

AN X-RAY OF "PUTIN'S BRAIN" ⟩ Aleksandr Dugin and His Ideology of Chaos

If you haven’t heard of Aleksandr Dugin, consider yourself lucky — or perhaps blissfully unaware of one of the most dangerous ideologues of our time.
balticsentinel.eu balticsentinel.eu
 
Just Think said:
So you keep saying.
A sad reflection on you, Bunnyboy.
But I've forced you to use different 'sources' for your propaganda, so that's something.👍
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All you have done to highlight how accurate my sources are.

Even Putin can't deny the situation.

Well done. 👍
 
Roc_ said:
Whereas the competing system to the east under Putin's Russia, that Putin is attempting to force the Ukrainians to join, is a very different type of system - it consists of an imperialistic type of order, organised along nationalistic ethnic lines (slavic), upholding the idea of the all powerful nation state, etc.
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Theres no "Article 50" option either.

You have to fight to leave the grasp of Russia.
 
Roc_ said:
Eh, it's less that he "likes" him, and more that Putin is like a channel or medium for his ideas.


View: https://x.com/MehdiHasanShow/status/1511847783157878786


Wanting to join the EU is basically a choice to join the international western administrative system, an international legal and institutional system one joins by choice.

Noting this western international administrative system is at root a system based on network-based trade and individual rights and freedom to transact, under the constraint of social progress.

So Ukraine simply was choosing what order they wanted to be a part of, towards developing their people and potential. And they wanted to choose this system to the immediate west of them.

Whereas the competing system to the east under Putin's Russia, that Putin is attempting to force the Ukrainians to join, is a very different type of system - it consists of an imperialistic type of order, organised along nationalistic ethnic lines (slavic), upholding the idea of the all powerful nation state, etc.

Putin's system is a totalitarian and authoritarian order, with an all powerful despot at the top, no freedom to express political views against that despotism, that seeks expansion, and to increase their own power at the expense of others.

So the Ukrainians didn't want that, and that is what they are fighting against, to avert that fate, and be forced into it.

It is apparent to me that the way clueless useful fools on here cheerlead to see the Ukrainians' fate be forced down the road that Putin offers is revealing of your own mentality.

E.g. See how it ties into your other views, evidenced on this forum. E.g. Indifference to the fate of those forced into the mother and child homes and industrial schools, or the fate of women, typically young, vulnerable, who are pregnant and due to their wider circumstances facing highly difficult choices, etc, etc, etc.
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the EU is on its way to Communism - it is Leftist - i am not a Leftist & Dugin seems pretty right-wing to me
 
Just Think said:
Russia is a country, you gobshite.
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Well actually there is some confusion here between the state as a nation and the state as an administrative entity.

We're really talking here of two imperial models - either a heavy model, like that of Russia, or a coordination of states on the model of NATO.

The Ukraine and Russia war is essentially a confrontation between two systems, one system being modern, decentralised and multicephalous, the other archaic, centralised and autocephalous.

Ukraine wants to belong to the liberal system: while being Slavic-speaking, like Poland, it wants to be part of the West.

And even if we did talk about the state as a nation, we are talking of a different type of nationalism with Russia.

I.e. With small countries, like ourselves, or Israel, or even Catalan, or Basque, (real) nationalism is usually defensive.

But in the case of a large state like Russia, nationalism becomes offensive.

And even we notice in empires, like the Roman empire, or the Ottoman empire, there were no large states, but city-states gathered in an empire whose role was distant.

However there is loose empire and rigid nation-state like empire, the latter being represented by Russia .

Again the opposing system to Russi's one is not an ethno-geographical ensemble, but a legal and institutional system, and remember it includes the like of Japan, S. Korea, and Taiwan.

While Russian nationalism requires the all mighty, centralised, Hegelian State, and as we have seen, one that curates cultural life to weed out individual variations.

Point being these are large systems that are clashing, not countries.
 
Roc_ said:
Well actually there is some confusion here between the state as a nation and the state as an administrative entity.

We're really talking here of two imperial models - either a heavy model, like that of Russia, or a coordination of states on the model of NATO.

The Ukraine and Russia war is essentially a confrontation between two systems, one system being modern, decentralised and multicephalous, the other archaic, centralised and autocephalous.

Ukraine wants to belong to the liberal system: while being Slavic-speaking, like Poland, it wants to be part of the West.

And even if we did talk about the state as a nation, we are talking of a different type of nationalism with Russia.

I.e. With small countries, like ourselves, or Israel, or even Catalan, or Basque, (real) nationalism is usually defensive.

But in the case of a large state like Russia, nationalism becomes offensive.

And even we notice in empires, like the Roman empire, or the Ottoman empire, there were no large states, but city-states gathered in an empire whose role was distant.

However there is loose empire and rigid nation-state like empire, the latter being represented by Russia .

Again the opposing system to Russi's one is not an ethno-geographical ensemble, but a legal and institutional system, and remember it includes the like of Japan, S. Korea, and Taiwan.

While Russian nationalism requires the all mighty, centralised, Hegelian State, and as we have seen, one that curates cultural life to weed out individual variations.

Point being these are large systems that are clashing, not countries.
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100%.

Surprised this still has to be explained over and over again here.

Almost no one wants Putins Novorossiya. For example, the CSTO is mostly a coalition of the unwilling, but who have no choice but to bend to Russias will.

BTW, Russia is a country, just in cause anyone here was unsure. Repeat, Russia is a country.
 
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Roc_ said:
Well actually there is some confusion here between the state as a nation and the state as an administrative entity.

We're really talking here of two imperial models - either a heavy model, like that of Russia, or a coordination of states on the model of NATO.

The Ukraine and Russia war is essentially a confrontation between two systems, one system being modern, decentralised and multicephalous, the other archaic, centralised and autocephalous.

Ukraine wants to belong to the liberal system: while being Slavic-speaking, like Poland, it wants to be part of the West.

And even if we did talk about the state as a nation, we are talking of a different type of nationalism with Russia.

I.e. With small countries, like ourselves, or Israel, or even Catalan, or Basque, (real) nationalism is usually defensive.

But in the case of a large state like Russia, nationalism becomes offensive.

And even we notice in empires, like the Roman empire, or the Ottoman empire, there were no large states, but city-states gathered in an empire whose role was distant.

However there is loose empire and rigid nation-state like empire, the latter being represented by Russia .

Again the opposing system to Russi's one is not an ethno-geographical ensemble, but a legal and institutional system, and remember it includes the like of Japan, S. Korea, and Taiwan.

While Russian nationalism requires the all mighty, centralised, Hegelian State, and as we have seen, one that curates cultural life to weed out individual variations.

Point being these are large systems that are clashing, not countries.
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the Russians seem at least for now on a reactionary course toward something like agrarian feudalism - or at least that is what Dugin seems to want with it

there seems to be a problem with your whole attitude to politics, though - you seem to think the Communist ideas of the masses are superior to the Monarchist ideas of an elite

i personally disagree with taking the masses seriously
 
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Haven said:
BTW, Russia is a country, just in cause anyone here was unsure. Repeat, Russia is a country.
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Yes, I educated you on that one earlier when you were cribbing about Russia not having an 'Article 50' like the EU has, you thick fucking cunt.
You really are the dumbest fucker on the internet aren't you, Bunnyboy?
 
Just Think said:
Yes, I educated you on that one earlier when you were cribbing about Russia not having an 'Article 50' like the EU has, you thick fucking cunt.
You really are the dumbest fucker on the internet aren't you, Bunnyboy?
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Wow.

Ok. I'm gonna have to explain this like you are 5.

In the EU, a country can leave by triggering Article 50.

No one can volunterily leave Russias grasp, without retribution. That goes for countries that Russia regards to be parts of "Novorossiya", or the CSTO, or indeed Russia itself.

Russia is actually a federation of oblasts, republics, krias and other entities.

Most of the current territory was taken by force.

en.wikipedia.org

Territorial evolution of Russia - Wikipedia

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Haven said:
Wow.

Ok. I'm gonna have to explain this like you are 5.

In the EU, a country can leave by triggering Article 50.

No one can volunterily leave Russias grasp, without retribution. That goes for countries that Russia regards to be parts of "Novorossiya", or the CSTO, or indeed Russia itself.

Russia is actually a federation of oblasts, republics, krias and other entities.

Most of the current territory was taken by force.

en.wikipedia.org

Territorial evolution of Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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As I told you earlier, Bunnyboy.
Now, off you go...bring 'roc' with ya.(y)

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Haven said:
Nothing to say, eh?

You're a particularly thick piece of shit, aren't ya.

"Russia is a country".
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You see, Bunnyboy, your tactic here is to drag people down your stupid fucking rabbit holes.
Nobody is biting so all you have left is ad hominem childish personal attacks.
What a way for a 63 year old Middle Eastern individual to carry on.
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Just Think said:
You see, Bunnyboy, your tactic here is to drag people down your stupid fucking rabbit holes.
Nobody is biting so a you have left is ad hominem childish personal attacks.
What a way for a 63 year old Middle Eastern individual to carry on.
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You're a dumb fuck.

See, you don't have to spill your guts with these long posts and AI gen art you spend even more time writing a prompt for.

Keep it simple, you retard.
 
Haven said:
You're a dumb fuck.

See, you don't have to spill your guts with these long posts and AI gen art you spend even more time writing a prompt for.

Keep it simple, you retard.
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You wet your mummy's panties today mocking Russia for not having an Article 50 get out clause like the European Union does if countries choose or want to leave it.
I pointed out that Russia is a country in itself so there's no equivalent article that can be enacted in that way.
You made a fucking fool out of yourself and you haven't got the cop on, the self awareness or the self respect to admit you made a false equivalence.
Keep it up, Bunnyboy, you give us all great laughs for a 63 year old fat fuck.:)

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Just Think said:
You wet your mummy's panties today mocking Russia for not having an Article 50 get out clause like the European Union does if countries choose or want to leave it.
I pointed out that Russia is a country in itself so there's no equivalent article that can be enacted in that way.
You made a fucking fool out of yourself and you haven't got the cop on, the self awareness or the self respect to admit you made a false equivalence.
Keep it up, Bunnyboy, you give us all great laughs for a 63 year old fat fuck.:)

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You are literally arguing with yourself now, ya sad retard.
I actually said the Russian Federation has no Article 50 equivalent.
 
I need to post these here before the idiot tries to delete them.

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Haven said:
Theres no "Article 50" option either.
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Just Think said:
Russia is a country, you gobshite.
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Just Think said:
I educated you on that one earlier when you were cribbing about Russia not having an 'Article 50' like the EU has, you thick fucking cunt.
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Just Think said:
your tactic here is to drag people down your stupid fucking rabbit holes.
Nobody is biting so all you have left is ad hominem childish personal attacks.
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Just Think said:
You wet your mummy's panties today mocking Russia for not having an Article 50 get out clause like the European Union does if countries choose or want to leave it.
I pointed out that Russia is a country in itself so there's no equivalent article that can be enacted in that way.
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Haven said:
You are literally arguing with yourself now, ya sad retard.
I actually said the Russian Federation has no Article 50 equivalent.
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You fucking dumb cunt, it was myself who pointed that out to you.
Go down your rabbit hole and have a wee wank in the corner. You might feel a bit better about yourself, Bunnyboy.
You're so funny.:LOL:
 
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Haven said:
I need to post these here before the idiot tries to delete them.

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What I got back:
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I'd really seriously suggest you go to a psychiatrist and find yourself some help for your serious cognitive and mental illness problems, old man.
A 63 year old fat Middle Eastern retard like yourself shouldn't be allowed access internet forums. Your carer should know better.

How retarded must you be to have this as your tagline, "Just Think says: "Russia is a country" Ok?"
Although I'm sure you'll remove it now or by morning under my instruction. Or maybe not, bit of a Catch 22 that one.:ROFLMAO:
 
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Just Think said:
You fucking dumb cunt, it was myself who pointed that out to you.
Go down your rabbit hole and have a wee wank in the corner. You might feel a bit better about yourself, Bunnyboy.
You're so funny.:LOL:
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You are just a joke at this point. You've been caught rotten.
 
céline said:
... there seems to be a problem with your whole attitude to politics, though - you seem to think the Communist ideas of the masses are superior to the Monarchist ideas of an elite

i personally disagree with taking the masses seriously
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I think the masses are manipulated, they do not have proper opinions, they become a tyranny very easily, most are sheer idiots. I would certainly include people on this forum in that. But they have interests, and I agree with democracy as a way to represent those interests. However interest and opinion are entirely different political phenomena. I would leave the representation of opinion to an elite, granted I do not see we have an elite anymore, as our education system has been largely destroyed and even the old families do not bring up their children anymore to potentially be statesmen. They all turn out to be ideologues of one type or another, left or right, or party cult, except possibly some of those grounded in a traditional religion.
 
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