Andrew Gold Tackles The Taboo Topic Of Race Realism

The Equalizer said:
I didn't tell you to stop doing it, which was your claim.
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Fine. I'll go back to "race".

The Equalizer said:
I'm simply replacing the word "race" with what you say that is - an "idea".

Obviously your quote looks idiotic when that's done.
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I'm not the fucking idiot who has to now resort to make up (and admit to do so) an "attributed" quote, and then trying to make an argument on the back of that, am I?
 
Haven said:
Fine. I'll go back to "race".



I'm not the fucking idiot who has to now resort to make up (and admit to do so) an "attributed" quote, and then trying to make an argument on the back of that, am I?
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I asked you how you define race in your quote.

All we have so far from you is that race is an idea.

And I'm simply replacing the word "race" with what you say that is - an "idea"
 
The Equalizer said:
I asked you how you define race in your quote.

All we have so far from you is that race is an idea.

And I'm simply replacing the word "race" with what you say that is - an "idea"
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You have made up a quote and attributed it to me. You fabricated it.

Here is the definition of "race"....again.

Race (human categorization) - Wikipedia

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www.jns.org

‘The New York Times’ revises column by Bret Stephens on ‘Jewish Genius’

The Dec. 27 piece, “The Secrets of Jewish Genius,” was about how Jews have contributed much to society despite the small percentage of the world population—all while facing increasing anti-Semitism.
www.jns.org www.jns.org

In the past physical courage was often given as the reason why some people should rule others, in today's world the reason given is usually intelligence, and in the future it may well be something else. I don't think making discussions around racial differences focused around IQ is necessarily wise.
 
Agobard Admirer said:

www.jns.org

‘The New York Times’ revises column by Bret Stephens on ‘Jewish Genius’

The Dec. 27 piece, “The Secrets of Jewish Genius,” was about how Jews have contributed much to society despite the small percentage of the world population—all while facing increasing anti-Semitism.
www.jns.org www.jns.org

In the past physical courage was often given as the reason why some people should rule others, in today's world the reason given is usually intelligence, and in the future it may well be something else.
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Agobard Admirer said:
I don't think making discussions around racial differences focused around IQ is necessarily wise.
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Oh but it is..
 
The Equalizer said:
Okay, I've asked on I think at least two occasions for you to be removed from the thread, whether you're trolling or mentally retarded, it amounts to the same thing.

Yet, you're still here. So now I will just personally bozo-bin you.

Bye.
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I've repeatedly answered your question, which you have asked over and over again in bad faith, called you out for making up a quote, and told you over and over again that its totally possible to discuss "race" while also showing it has zero genetic basis.

You have trolled, flailed, in every response and now have crashed out.

You are a fucking pathetic retard with no ability to argue a single fucking point matched with limited cognitive ability, and it was fucking glorious to stick it to you.
 
Agobard Admirer said:
Why? According to men like mr Roc_ Jews have on average a higher IQ than our folk and that justifies them bullying and exploiting us. Do you think they are justified in doing such things because of that?
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Because race denialism is an anti-white lie.

It doesn't affect Jews. And the Ashkenazi high IQ Jewish thing is unimportant. Jews are successful much more to do with nepotism than anything real to do with IQ.
 
Perry said:
Don't worry, just give it a few days, Africans be getting violent. It's in their DNA.
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Roc_ said:
No, it's not. This is an ignorant and dangerous lie
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Race denialism is a dangerous and anti-white lie.

As is most of leftist ideology tbf. An endless series of smashing square pegs into round holes for how the world should be (according to the cult) rather than how it actually is.
 
The Equalizer said:
Because race denialism is an anti-white lie.

It doesn't affect Jews. And the Ashkenazi high IQ Jewish thing is unimportant. Jews are successful much more to do with nepotism than anything real to do with IQ.
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The Chinese on average have a higher IQ than our folk but can you imagine the Symphonies of Beethoven emerging from out of a Chinese mind? I cannot but there are probably also things in Chinese culture that we would have been incapable of creating. Saying that IQ is not the most important thing about race is not the same thing at all as race denialism.

It is important in legitimizing power and wealth.
 
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Agobard Admirer said:
The Chinese on average have a higher IQ than our folk but can you imagine the Symphonies of Beethoven emerging from out of a Chinese mind? I cannot but there are probably also things in Chinese culture that we would have been incapable of creating. Saying that IQ is not the most important thing about race is not the same thing at all as race denialism.

It is important in legitimizing power and wealth.
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Let's be honest, we're not talking about high IQ, we're talking about low IQ.

That's the problem, high IQ Chinese people in white countries.. not so much as blacks.

Race denialism means our folk think that there isn't any difference, we're all interchangeable (economic units).

Race denialism says that you can fix (heritable) IQ, you can't.
 
The Equalizer said:
I asked you how you define race in your quote.
All we have so far from you is that race is an idea.
And I'm simply replacing the word "race" with what you say that is - an "idea"
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FFS. This is about the level of "debate" you can expect from this cult.

en.wikipedia.org

The Kingdom of the Cults - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Haven said:
You are a fucking pathetic retard with no ability to argue a single fucking point matched with limited cognitive ability, and it was fucking glorious to stick it to you.
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Brings to mind what they say about wrestling with pigs in the mud.

Jambo only wants a platform and a pretext to intone his catchphrases and jargon like "anti-whiteism", "race realism", "anti racist is a code word for anti-white", and label cult enemies as "race deniers", etc, and generally muddy any type of clear thinking on these questions.

It is like arguing with a possessed black baptist minister who answers everything with "praise the lord" and a gesture to the heavens.

Except in this case the manner of Youtube and Telegram radicalisation, and its highlighting of active audience participation, replaces the doctrine of the baptist minister's holy bible, with the doctrine of trinities like David Duke, Richard Spencer, and Stefan Molyneux. Or Mark Collett, Keith Woods, and "Morgosh", etc.

Point being you never "stick it" to someone like Jambo. Anymore than you could "stick it" to a member of the Manson family.

Remember also that Jambo represents just a small offshoot. The roots of it are in America. You can read for instance how the FBI reinforced by assessments from the Department of Homeland Security, has explicitly identified these white supremacist and far-right groups as "the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States".

In brief, their assessment is that the movement's promotion of "doctrinal deviation", its centralised authoritarian leadership, exclusivity, psychological manipulation, and opposition to mainstream Christianity (as we see for example in the uprising of all these factions like the SSPX) underlie “the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.”

Of course we are usually about five years behind in these American fads. But some are more connected to the transatlantic optic fibre internet cables than others. And that is the key factor.

I.e. These "political communities" have incredibly high participation rates.

When morons like Jambo consumes the content of his influencers, and their interviews, "debates", "special guests", vlogging, reaction videos, etc, remember he sees himself less as an observer, and more as a participant where his voice matters. That's their key selling point.

See how his giving voice to these ideas on this forum that he's imbibed online about ‘scientific racism,’ eugenics and white supremacism, etc, has become his whole his raison d'etre! Tragic.

Noting I have long followed the process of how morons like Jambo gradually develop their radical ideologies and beliefs.

In parallel with my own observations there has of course been formal studies. This one for instance was quite good:

CultLeaders < Dmi < Foswiki

wiki.digitalmethods.net wiki.digitalmethods.net

Actually, one of the things that struck me from that study with respect to Jambo's case was the following quote from one of the young men interviewed:

"... Certainty has been something I’ve craved since I was 10. [Molyneux’s theory] and other recent works finally got me there and it is as if someone has taken their boot off my chest and I can breath for the first time. All my intuitive understanding of the evils of violence finally felt grounded on the foundation of reason...".

Point being, in Jambo's case, it his his various theories and doctrine that give him comfort, similarly to how a pious catholic in 50's Ireland with difficult life circumstances took comfort in catholic theological theories and doctrine. You are dealing with the same thing, in essence. People like Jambo jumped from the frying pan (of Irish regressive catholicism) into the fire.

You can't reason with him anymore than you could reason with an old 50's Ireland midlands crone muttering her rosaries at mass.
 
Roc_ said:
FFS. This is about the level of "debate" you can expect from this cult.
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There is no debate with you and the other moron.

And you won't answer the simplest of questions.

Roc_ said:
en.wikipedia.org

The Kingdom of the Cults - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org


Brings to mind what they say about wrestling with pigs in the mud.

Jambo only wants a platform and a pretext to intone his catchphrases and jargon like "anti-whiteism", "race realism", "anti racist is a code word for anti-white", and label cult enemies as "race deniers", etc, and generally muddy any type of clear thinking on these questions.

It is like arguing with a possessed black baptist minister who answers everything with "praise the lord" and a gesture to the heavens.

Except in this case the manner of Youtube and Telegram radicalisation, and its highlighting of active audience participation, replaces the doctrine of the baptist minister's holy bible, with the doctrine of trinities like David Duke, Richard Spencer, and Stefan Molyneux. Or Mark Collett, Keith Woods, and "Morgosh", etc.

Point being you never "stick it" to someone like Jambo. Anymore than you could "stick it" to a member of the Manson family.

Remember also that Jambo represents just a small offshoot. The roots of it are in America. You can read for instance how the FBI reinforced by assessments from the Department of Homeland Security, has explicitly identified these white supremacist and far-right groups as "the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States".

In brief, their assessment is that the movement's promotion of "doctrinal deviation", its centralised authoritarian leadership, exclusivity, psychological manipulation, and opposition to mainstream Christianity (as we see for example in the uprising of all these factions like the SSPX) underlie “the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.”

Of course we are usually about five years behind in these American fads. But some are more connected to the transatlantic optic fibre internet cables than others. And that is the key factor.

I.e. These "political communities" have incredibly high participation rates.

When morons like Jambo consumes the content of his influencers, and their interviews, "debates", "special guests", vlogging, reaction videos, etc, remember he sees himself less as an observer, and more as a participant where his voice matters. That's their key selling point.

See how his giving voice to these ideas on this forum that he's imbibed online about ‘scientific racism,’ eugenics and white supremacism, etc, has become his whole his raison d'etre! Tragic.

Noting I have long followed the process of how morons like Jambo gradually develop their radical ideologies and beliefs.

In parallel with my own observations there has of course been formal studies. This one for instance was quite good:

CultLeaders < Dmi < Foswiki

wiki.digitalmethods.net wiki.digitalmethods.net

Actually, one of the things that struck me from that study with respect to Jambo's case was the following quote from one of the young men interviewed:

"... Certainty has been something I’ve craved since I was 10. [Molyneux’s theory] and other recent works finally got me there and it is as if someone has taken their boot off my chest and I can breath for the first time. All my intuitive understanding of the evils of violence finally felt grounded on the foundation of reason...".

Point being, in Jambo's case, it his his various theories and doctrine that give him comfort, similarly to how a pious catholic in 50's Ireland with difficult life circumstances took comfort in catholic theological theories and doctrine. You are dealing with the same thing, in essence. People like Jambo jumped from the frying pan (of Irish regressive catholicism) into the fire.

You can't reason with him anymore than you could reason with an old 50's Ireland midlands crone muttering her rosaries at mass.
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View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5QeDp8j7mw
 
Actually @Haven if you insist on "debating" (sic) with Jambo -, in view of the fact that you're not iin reality dealing with common agreed understandings of words and phrases, but rather a special "insider" interpretation of the meaning of words and phrases, I set up a specific thread to try and deal with that:

Jambo’s Jargon

A dedicated thread for discussion of “Jambo’s Jargon”, jargon like “race realism” etc.
www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com

At least on that thread readers have the reminder of the context. I might suggest you address yourself to Jambo concerning his representations of this jargon on that thread?
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Roc_ said:
FFS. This is about the level of "debate" you can expect from this cult.

en.wikipedia.org

The Kingdom of the Cults - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org


Brings to mind what they say about wrestling with pigs in the mud.

Jambo only wants a platform and a pretext to intone his catchphrases and jargon like "anti-whiteism", "race realism", "anti racist is a code word for anti-white", and label cult enemies as "race deniers", etc, and generally muddy any type of clear thinking on these questions.

It is like arguing with a possessed black baptist minister who answers everything with "praise the lord" and a gesture to the heavens.

Except in this case the manner of Youtube and Telegram radicalisation, and its highlighting of active audience participation, replaces the doctrine of the baptist minister's holy bible, with the doctrine of trinities like David Duke, Richard Spencer, and Stefan Molyneux. Or Mark Collett, Keith Woods, and "Morgosh", etc.

Point being you never "stick it" to someone like Jambo. Anymore than you could "stick it" to a member of the Manson family.

Remember also that Jambo represents just a small offshoot. The roots of it are in America. You can read for instance how the FBI reinforced by assessments from the Department of Homeland Security, has explicitly identified these white supremacist and far-right groups as "the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States".

In brief, their assessment is that the movement's promotion of "doctrinal deviation", its centralised authoritarian leadership, exclusivity, psychological manipulation, and opposition to mainstream Christianity (as we see for example in the uprising of all these factions like the SSPX) underlie “the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.”

Of course we are usually about five years behind in these American fads. But some are more connected to the transatlantic optic fibre internet cables than others. And that is the key factor.

I.e. These "political communities" have incredibly high participation rates.

When morons like Jambo consumes the content of his influencers, and their interviews, "debates", "special guests", vlogging, reaction videos, etc, remember he sees himself less as an observer, and more as a participant where his voice matters. That's their key selling point.

See how his giving voice to these ideas on this forum that he's imbibed online about ‘scientific racism,’ eugenics and white supremacism, etc, has become his whole his raison d'etre! Tragic.

Noting I have long followed the process of how morons like Jambo gradually develop their radical ideologies and beliefs.

In parallel with my own observations there has of course been formal studies. This one for instance was quite good:

CultLeaders < Dmi < Foswiki

wiki.digitalmethods.net wiki.digitalmethods.net

Actually, one of the things that struck me from that study with respect to Jambo's case was the following quote from one of the young men interviewed:

"... Certainty has been something I’ve craved since I was 10. [Molyneux’s theory] and other recent works finally got me there and it is as if someone has taken their boot off my chest and I can breath for the first time. All my intuitive understanding of the evils of violence finally felt grounded on the foundation of reason...".

Point being, in Jambo's case, it his his various theories and doctrine that give him comfort, similarly to how a pious catholic in 50's Ireland with difficult life circumstances took comfort in catholic theological theories and doctrine. You are dealing with the same thing, in essence. People like Jambo jumped from the frying pan (of Irish regressive catholicism) into the fire.

You can't reason with him anymore than you could reason with an old 50's Ireland midlands crone muttering her rosaries at mass.
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It gives me some solace that the poor bastard doubles down on his shitty debate strategy. He could do so much better but he is so wedded to 100% winning every terrible avenue he tries out.
 
Roc_ said:
Actually @Haven if you insist on "debating" (sic) with Jambo -, in view of the fact that you're not iin reality dealing with common agreed understandings of words and phrases, but rather a special "insider" interpretation of the meaning of words and phrases, I set up a specific thread to try and deal with that:

Jambo’s Jargon

A dedicated thread for discussion of “Jambo’s Jargon”, jargon like “race realism” etc.
www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com

At least on that thread readers have the reminder of the context.

I would suggest you address yourself to Jambo on his representations of this jargon on that thread.
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I aware that for Jambo that "not answering my questions" means not giving him the very specific answer he wants. And then he shits the bed.
 
Haven said:
And then he shits the bed.
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Well yes, that is yet another element of dealing with Jambo.

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I ask Moron #1 to define "race" in his quote and all I get is an "idea" and then him endlessly posting a Wiki link at me.

Moron #2 will endlessly talk about Dawkins yet when you show him (Dawkins) saying that race is real.. he just ignores it.

These people aren't debaters, they're clowns
 
Roc_ said:
People like Jambo jumped from the frying pan (of Irish regressive catholicism) into the fire.
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I neglected describing the old Irish catholicism fully, and it's actually important.

As per the words of educated observers with a critical eye to it in the 60's, the Irish catholic church was "an obscurantist, repressive, regressive and uncultivated church".

It is no coincidence that that is exactly what we are dealing with today in these ascendant secular theologies broadcast online.

Note in particular "obscurantist", @Haven
 
You're a classic case of too stupid to realise how stupid you are.

You never stop attacking the messenger, removing all agency from them as cultists etc.
 
Agobard Admirer said:
Francis Galton, Georges Vacher de Lapouge and Hans Günther were not American.
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The only one I recognise there is Francis Galton.

Known as the pioneer of modern statistics who famously "started out to find causation and ended up discovering correlation".

He couldn't find the answer to causation, so he shifted his focus away from measuring causal links to measuring numerical association and correlation.

Of course he did not begin Jambo's cult movement - rather his scientific ideas were adopted by the Nazis to transform their ideology about "race" into an apparently objective, state-backed science.

This was years after Galton's death (in 1911).

The Nazis adopted his ideas to establish the pseudoscientific framework of eugenics.

And they adopted his dogma that human intelligence, health, and moral traits were entirely fixed by heredity.

They drew on his biometric "methodologies" to measure human bodies on a massive scale, tracking skull sizes, nose shapes, eye colors, and hair textures - plotting them in bell curves.

I.e. That was their method to draw the "dividing line" between "whites" and non-whites (that I sometimes ask Jambo about how he would do it). Basically the Jambo science of "averages" that he sometimes bangs on about.

So Galton provided the "science" we see today in the American successor movewment to the twentierth century European movement.

That does not change that the centre of today's movement is in America.

Only that when you fully trace back the origins of the catchphrases and jargon of this movement you ultimately come to men like Galton and the then scientific ideas promoted by some of them a hundred and fifty years ago.
 
The child abuser thinks he's simultaneously living in the Jim Crowe South, Nazi Germany and a Catholic Theocracy.

Is there not a responsibility on the site owner @Declan to moderate someone who's clearly in the grip of some kind of mania (probably as a result of prolonged drug use)?
 
Aldo3 said:
The child abuser thinks he's simultaneously living in the Jim Crowe South, Nazi Germany and a Catholic Theocracy.
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Why do you make a good point and then spoil it with the child abuser thing?

Aldo3 said:
Is there not a responsibility on the site owner @Declan to moderate someone who's clearly in the grip of some kind of mania (probably as a result of prolonged drug use)?
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Aldo3 said:
He is one. Do you not remember him and his friends posting photos of young children on a now defunct site?
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That doesn't make them "child abusers"

It does expose them for the low-life shits they are
 
The Equalizer said:
That doesn't make them "child abusers"

It does expose them for the low-life shits they are
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Well, we'll have to come up with a new term then. I would say it's an adequate term for adult men posting photos of young children and showering them with all kinds of lewd abuse, but fair enough.
 
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Roc_ said:
The only one I recognise there is Francis Galton.

Known as the pioneer of modern statistics who famously "started out to find causation and ended up discovering correlation".

He couldn't find the answer to causation, so he shifted his focus away from measuring causal links to measuring numerical association and correlation.

Of course he did not begin Jambo's cult movement - rather his scientific ideas were adopted by the Nazis to transform their ideology about "race" into an apparently objective, state-backed science.

This was years after Galton's death (in 1911).

The Nazis adopted his ideas to establish the pseudoscientific framework of eugenics.
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Roc_ said:
And they adopted his dogma that human intelligence, health, and moral traits were entirely fixed by heredity.
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First of all, please explain how heritable traits are "fixed", or changed?

Roc_ said:
They drew on his biometric "methodologies" to measure human bodies on a massive scale, tracking skull sizes, nose shapes, eye colors, and hair textures - plotting them in bell curves.

I.e. That was their method to draw the "dividing line" between "whites" and non-whites (that I sometimes ask Jambo about how he would do it). Basically the Jambo science of "averages" that he sometimes bangs on about.

So Galton provided the "science" we see today in the American successor movewment to the twentierth century European movement.

That does not change that the centre of today's movement is in America.

Only that when you fully trace back the origins of the catchphrases and jargon of this movement you ultimately come to men like Galton and the then scientific ideas promoted by some of them a hundred and fifty years ago.
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