Could Iran v Israel turn nuclear? A possible indication from the Occult/Masonic world


BROCKLESBY, Australia (Reuters) — Justin Everett is planting 50 per cent less wheat this year than he thought he would.

Standing in muddy brown boots and jeans by his tractor and (36-foot-wide seeding rig in a bare field, the 44-year-old said a lack of rainfall and rapid increases in fuel and fertilizer prices due to the war in Iran had ripped up his seeding plans.

He is one of thousands of farmers across Australia deciding to plant less wheat and spread less fertilizer.

Their choices, and the likelihood of a dry growing season for many, mean Australia, the third-largest wheat exporting nation, may have as much as 10 million tonnes less to ship in the upcoming season, an amount equivalent to five per cent of annual global exports.
 
So let’s look at the way the US lost the most recent round of its war with Iran:

  1. Regime change failed
  2. Nuclear prevention failed
  3. Defense of Arab bases failed
  4. Defense of Israel failed
  5. Destruction of military capabilities failed
  6. Strait of Hormuz blocked
About the only thing the US did successfully was to not lose any warships. Which, one notes, could have much more easily been accomplished by not sending them to the Persian Gulf in the first place. And not only did the USA fail in its objectives, but it ended the conflict worse off than when it began.

That is, by every historical measure, a defeat. It’s not an existential one, nor is it necessarily the last word on the international conflict. But the history books will record this as being a defeat of the USA by Iran.

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No wonder Iran sees no reason to rush into a peace deal. The US military failed in every aspect of the recent war: CNN found that Iran has now unblocked 50 out of the 69 tunnel entrances struck by the US and Israel at 18 underground missile facilities. Iran has repaired other parts of the […]
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SeekTheFairLand said:
So let’s look at the way the US lost the most recent round of its war with Iran:

  1. Regime change failed
  2. Nuclear prevention failed
  3. Defense of Arab bases failed
  4. Defense of Israel failed
  5. Destruction of military capabilities failed
  6. Strait of Hormuz blocked
About the only thing the US did successfully was to not lose any warships. Which, one notes, could have much more easily been accomplished by not sending them to the Persian Gulf in the first place. And not only did the USA fail in its objectives, but it ended the conflict worse off than when it began.

That is, by every historical measure, a defeat. It’s not an existential one, nor is it necessarily the last word on the international conflict. But the history books will record this as being a defeat of the USA by Iran.

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Comprehensive Failure - Vox Popoli

No wonder Iran sees no reason to rush into a peace deal. The US military failed in every aspect of the recent war: CNN found that Iran has now unblocked 50 out of the 69 tunnel entrances struck by the US and Israel at 18 underground missile facilities. Iran has repaired other parts of the […]
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All very true, but how bad did Israel and the US bases get whacked and did Israel influence Trump's capitulation?
 
I must be forgiven the source as it appears that search engines don't like drawing attention to this and this is the first confirmation that appeared of the story, but anyway -

"This effort resulted in more than 100 million barrels of oil making its way through the Strait and into the free market. More than 200 Commercial Ships have safely traveled through the Strait. This hugely successful effort was made possible because the US controls the Strait of Hormuz, not Iran."

 
The latest peace treaty was announced to get space x IPO through today imho
 
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This whole thing has been the greatest sell out in American history
 
Declan said:
This whole thing has been the greatest sell out in American history
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Except for the US claiming that it is now in charge of the Straits of Hormuz. It is not regime change as promised to them by Israel, but it keeps the oil flowing, even to the point that Saudi Arabia is now reducing its prices.
 
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This whole thing has been the greatest sell out in American history
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Trump sold out to the Israelis.
This war occurred because an idiot incompetent grifter is in the White House. The crap he has gotten away with in real estate doesn't work with people who are ready for it.
And the consequences will be felt for the next half decade at least.
He was OK in the first term because he didn't start any war.
Should have stuck to that policy.
But he's fatally compromised by the Israelis and his backers.
Narcissists are like that.
He doesn't give a toss about the US citizenry.
 
There will be no peace deal, if Iran stipulates that Isreal withdraw from Lebanon, and cease operations in Gaza/west Bank, does anyone really believe Israel will comply? Short term perhaps, but give it a week and Israel will be on the March, especially if Hezbollah keep sending missiles into isreal.
 
jpc said:
Trump sold out to the Israelis.
This war occurred because an idiot incompetent grifter is in the White House. The crap he has gotten away with in real estate doesn't work with people who are ready for it.
And the consequences will be felt for the next half decade at least.
He was OK in the first term because he didn't start any war.
Should have stuck to that policy.
But he's fatally compromised by the Israelis and his backers.
Narcissists are like that.
He doesn't give a toss about the US citizenry.
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Nah, everythings fine.


View: https://www.cbsnews.com/video/president-trump-hosts-surreal-ufc-fights-at-white-house/
 
I agree with you Perry, short term who knows but medium/long term this is definitely starting up again.
 
I assume it will be, All Quiet On This Front, at least until Iran are out of the World Cup ! ! !

Funny ( if very highly un-likely ) if the Iranians won the World Cup ! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Many main media outlets are announcing the end of the the ceasefire, that its the US v Iran full back on. This brings back the whole energy squeeze...
 
That was likely the plan from the start. I still believe there is a high probability of Iran getting nuked
 
Declan said:
That was likely the plan from the start. I still believe there is a high probability of Iran getting nuked
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We can all kiss our asses goodbye if that happens. Nuclear war is a different game altogether, it cannot be constrained either politically or geographically, the bombs were always there as a deterant, not an offensive weapon.
 
I would go so far as to say that the huge monies given to Iran in the 'deal', from both the US and the Gulf States, was actually designed to enable Iran to fight a long war. Thats how arrogant the Globalists are, they hide their intentions and activities in plain sight convinced that anybody who points them out will be dismissed as a 'conspiracy theorist'.
 
scolairebocht said:
I would go so far as to say that the huge monies given to Iran in the 'deal', from both the US and the Gulf States, was actually designed to enable Iran to fight a long war. Thats how arrogant the Globalists are, they hide their intentions and activities in plain sight convinced that anybody who points them out will be dismissed as a 'conspiracy theorist'.
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A long conventional war that is, nukes would make it a very short term affair.
 
I happened to talk to a retired British Army General a few days ago, just by accident at a history talk, and I pressed him on the possibility of nuclear war. He said there was an 80% chance of a nuclear bomb going off, a tactical one hopefully, within the next two years, and he thought we would all be at war with Russia within the next 6 years. Obviously tactical is a smaller bomb, but actually he also openly speculated about a Russian strategic nuclear weapon attack, which is just too scary to think about.
 
Did you ask him about the freemasons?
Was he in favour of war with Russia?
 
Well actually I was asking about Freemasons in the history thing, and anyway he said he attained high rank in the British Army without being one.
About Russia he gave me the whole propaganda bit, mad and evil etc, still I wouldn't want to be dominated by them, or by the British or Americans either.
 
scolairebocht said:
I happened to talk to a retired British Army General a few days ago, just by accident at a history talk, and I pressed him on the possibility of nuclear war. He said there was an 80% chance of a nuclear bomb going off, a tactical one hopefully, within the next two years, and he thought we would all be at war with Russia within the next 6 years. Obviously tactical is a smaller bomb, but actually he also openly speculated about a Russian strategic nuclear weapon attack, which is just too scary to think about.
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I'd say he is stuck in a cold war mindset. The British services spend most of the time justifying their existence and he hasn't adjusted yet, probably never will.

Next time ask him how he calculates these figures, or what he bases them upon, it's all guesswork
 
I believe that to be AI, but it certainly is very realistic
 
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Depending on context, these statements usually signify desperation on Trump’s part. Over the last few days we’ve been seeing reports that Trump is seeking a new ceasefire—a ten day one—with Iran, using intermediaries like Qatar and Pakistan (probably an intermediary to China, as well). Iran just kept hitting US bases, so Trump escalated big time—he shut down satellite imagery for the Gulf region. That didn’t phase Iran either, and they rejected any ceasefire. Trump sent Little Marco to warn Russia and China to stop helping Iran—it’s so unfair! Russia and China flipped him off. Finally, on Friday, Trump unilaterally stopped attacking Iran. So, overnight, the Houthis hit Saudi energy facilities, to add to the blockade.


Trump is still trying to gaslight the American public, but he’s not fooling the people who really control events:


Robert A. Pape @ProfessorPape
4h
The Titanic of U.S. diplomacy is hitting the Iran iceberg
Trump’s MoU diplomacy was a “wicked escalation trap”—trying to buy off a regime with $12B when power, not cash, is Iran’s goal
With the truce broken, shipping choked, Washington faces 1 choice to avoid major war: real concessions.
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Those are the basic dynamics for the losing side in a war. But it’s worse, because nobody can trust Trump.


Krystal Ball @krystalball
Weird. Maybe we shouldn’t have murdered his dad.
Julian E. Barnes @julianbarnes
Jul 24
New: U.S. believes Motjaba Khamanei is far more interested than his father and predecessor in pursuing a nuclear weapon, according to officials briefed on the intelligence assessments.
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The result is that there’s a sort of escalation ladder when it comes to trying to entice Iran back to talking. I think it was Chas Freeman the other day who suggested that Trump might have to turn over Iran’s money up front, no conditions, before he can get talks. Here’s a report on how Trump is trying to sweeten things:


The Hormuz Letter @HormuzLetter
5h
BREAKING: The United States has requested a new temporary ceasefire with Iran and is seeking a return to the collapsed and suspended Memorandum of Understanding, with discussions also expected to include Yemen and Trump seeking to make the Houthis part of it, per sources.
Iran is highly unlikely to accept the US offer, having comprehensively rejected all negotiations throughout this week and confirmed it won’t start negotiations under any circumstances, while Trump simultaneously announced the US is about to carry out a ‘massive attack’ on Iran ‘bigger than any attack ever carried out before.‘
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Return to the MOU that Trump never complied with? And isn’t that rich that Trump wants to include Yemen as a topic in talks? What about Lebanon?


The Hormuz Letter @HormuzLetter
58m
BREAKING: Trump ordered the US military not to carry out new strikes on Iran Friday night, despite approving his announced “massive attack,” now believing an agreement is possible over the weekend, per Axios.
The cancellation came despite Iran comprehensively rejecting any negotiations with the US throughout this week and confirming it is not talking to the US under any circumstances, and came directly after Trump claimed Iran is talking to the US and that major progress is being made.
The decision also followed an Omani delegation arriving in Tehran for talks on a new arrangement to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, with Trump claiming additional progress there, though Iran denies any talks are taking place.
Additionally, a source close to Iran’s Ghalibaf assesses the operational silence of the past 15 hours as a prelude to an intensification of attacks and not a new attempt at negotiations, with the US military still preparing plans for a return to major combat operations.
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The reality is that Trump is facing huge pressure on the economic front—as well as on the military front. The US is not only expending-hard to-replace (in any timely way) munitions, it is also losing other expensive and hard to replace—if at all—assets.


MenchOsint @MenchOsint
Jordan is the key, the last & most important layer defending Israel.
The increasing rate of direct hits is a direct result of Radars & other U.S. equipment destroyed in Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar … added to the depletion of air defense interceptors, something that couldn’t have been achieved in a few days.
During 20 years CENTCOM turned Arab countries into a dome protecting Israel, and Iran is now methodically dismantling it.
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MenchOsint @MenchOsint
2h
“Trump ordered military not to conduct strikes on Friday.”
After striking the same positions for 14 days, wasting hundreds of PAC-2/3 interceptors, losing military equipment on several bases, Oil to $100, looks like Trump was well advised.
How long before a deal is announced ?
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
> Critical shortages of long-range weapons & interceptors.
> Many long-range radars damaged.
> Iran will retaliate proportionally to any escalation.
Curious what top advisers will tell Trump…
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Clash Report @clashreport
Jul 24
Trump met with top advisers on Friday to consider expanding U.S. military action against Iran.
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MenchOsint @MenchOsint
3h
“Iran Destroyed 11 American Fighter Jets and Helicopters on the ground (from July 8th to July 21st),” – IRGC Spokesperson to Tasnim.
“In the Iranian attacks, 17 reconnaissance and operational drones (type MQ9, 8 of which were brand new), one F-15 fighter jet inside a hangar, one P-8 aircraft, one C-17 transport aircraft, and 8 refueling aircraft were also destroyed.”
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Those are significant losses. These reports are per the IRGC, which is probably a more reliable source than CENTCOM:


MenchOsint @MenchOsint
2h
 IRGC Spokesperson provided a list of “Very Heavy Damages” suffered by the US military following Iranian Attacks over a 15-day period (from July 8th to July 21st),
• In the radar and air defense sector:
7 x Command and Control centers
3 x Satellite communication systems
6 x Patriot air defense radar systems
3 x air and sea control and monitoring radars
8 x early warning radar systems
7 x air-based missile defense radars
3 x FPS radar systems
2 x AN/FPS-117 radars
5 x Long-Range radars
2 x Air defense radars
1 x Tactical radar unit
• In the support and logistics sector, aimed at reducing operational capabilities:
6 x Fighter jet and helicopter maintenance centers
3 x Support and logistics centers
12 x Fuel storage
17 x Ammunition and spare parts depots for ships and aircraft
6 x Missile storage facilities
 In the operational infrastructure sector:
6 x MQ-9 drone hangars
1 x F-15 fighter jet preparation hangar
1 x Drone hangar containing 8 brand new drones
2 x Command centers
1 x Aircraft carrier refueling platform
1 x P-8 aircraft hangar
4 x HIMARS missile platforms
5 x Fighter jet hangars
4 x Patriot air defense complexes
6 x Missile launch platforms
1 x Fuel pumping station
2 x Signal communication centers
1 x intelligence data center
1 x AI center, a data processing base belonging to Amazon
1 x remote-controlled vessel (RCV) depot
1 x fuel dock
4 x fighter jet shelters
6 x flight ramps and parking areas
• In the air operations sector:
11 x Fighter Jets and helicopters (on the ground)
17 x reconnaissance and operational drones (8 of which were brand new)
1 x F-15E fighter jet inside a hangar
1 x P-8A Poseidon aircraft
1 x C-17A transport aircraft
8 x Refueling aircraft
4 x Heavy helicopters
6 x Missile storage
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Diarmuid said:
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Depending on context, these statements usually signify desperation on Trump’s part. Over the last few days we’ve been seeing reports that Trump is seeking a new ceasefire—a ten day one—with Iran, using intermediaries like Qatar and Pakistan (probably an intermediary to China, as well). Iran just kept hitting US bases, so Trump escalated big time—he shut down satellite imagery for the Gulf region. That didn’t phase Iran either, and they rejected any ceasefire. Trump sent Little Marco to warn Russia and China to stop helping Iran—it’s so unfair! Russia and China flipped him off. Finally, on Friday, Trump unilaterally stopped attacking Iran. So, overnight, the Houthis hit Saudi energy facilities, to add to the blockade.


Trump is still trying to gaslight the American public, but he’s not fooling the people who really control events:




Those are the basic dynamics for the losing side in a war. But it’s worse, because nobody can trust Trump.




The result is that there’s a sort of escalation ladder when it comes to trying to entice Iran back to talking. I think it was Chas Freeman the other day who suggested that Trump might have to turn over Iran’s money up front, no conditions, before he can get talks. Here’s a report on how Trump is trying to sweeten things:




Return to the MOU that Trump never complied with? And isn’t that rich that Trump wants to include Yemen as a topic in talks? What about Lebanon?




The reality is that Trump is facing huge pressure on the economic front—as well as on the military front. The US is not only expending-hard to-replace (in any timely way) munitions, it is also losing other expensive and hard to replace—if at all—assets.








Those are significant losses. These reports are per the IRGC, which is probably a more reliable source than CENTCOM:
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Trump has plenty of fighters hanging around, but eight tankers could be embarrassing. Zelensky can keep whistling if he is expecting the arms to keep flowing from the US.
 
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