September 11th 2001 - Never Forget

[Kangal]

As likely as you are to be an expert in what you claim.

Besides, as Michael O'Leary said airplanes are essentially buses with wings.

Myles, does his career in truck engines means he's qualified in aeronautical and jet technology?

 

[Mad as Fish]

Right so. I'll disregard anything he has to say about telecommunications then.

Aul Lad strikes me as something of a polymath (look it up).

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Myles, does his career in truck engines means he's qualified in aeronautical and jet technology?

Presumably no more than your career qualifies you.

However that means unless one if qualified in what you say one is not competent to have an opinion on the events of 9/11.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Myles, does his career in truck engines means he's qualified in aeronautical and jet technology?

An enquiring and intelligent mind needn't confine itself to any one area of study, consider Saint Saens -

The composer’s formidable intellect was not limited to music. He had a profound interest in - and knowledge of - geology, botany, butterflies, and maths. He enjoyed discussions with Europe's finest scientists and wrote numerous academic articles about acoustics.

 

[Kangal]

Presumably no more than your career qualifies you.

However that means unless one if qualified in what you say one is not competent to have an opinion on the events of 9/11.

Well let's see, Myles.

I said airphones were in use on the 911 planes and I was correct. Everyone else was wrong.
I said it was possible to use mobile phones on a plane, and I then found evidence of pilots getting and using phone coverage while flying. Everyone else was wrong.

All one really needs is a bit of critical thinking, some level of intelligence and some technical knowledge to understand or figure this out.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

Aul Lad strikes me as something of a polymath (look it up).

Couldn't agree more. He's more Worldly than most of this Site's members combined.

Yet all he seems to get is guff from know-it-all Millennials.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Well let's see, Myles.

I said airphones were in use on the 911 planes and I was correct. Everyone else was wrong.
I said it was possible to use mobile phones on a plane, and I then found evidence of pilots getting and using phone coverage while flying. Everyone else was wrong.

All one really needs is a bit of critical thinking, some level of intelligence and some technical knowledge to understand or figure this out.

I said airphones were in use on the 911 planes and I was correct. Everyone else was wrong.

Total lie number one. Nobody said they were not in use. I originally pointed out that cellphones could not be used for conversations six miles high at 500mph in 2001 You have not shown otherwise, just diverted the argument.

I said it was possible to use mobile phones on a plane, and I then found evidence of pilots getting and using phone coverage while flying. Everyone else was wrong.

Total lie number two. The 'evidence' you provided was from a forum with no actual data to back up the claim, just pilots swapping yarns. Not only that, they were talking of sending texts, not holding a conversation, and it was on 4G phones that did not appear until ten years after 9/11.

Just what are you being paid to post this crap?

 

[AUL LAD]

Having falsely berated others for not knowing their technology you go and prove you have even less idea. Well done.

your great link was excellent and i found a great bit of info to put all of this to rest .
BOEING service manual section (757AAM ) re Boeing 757 aircraft dated Jan 28th 2001 .
"""" the passenger telephone system was deactivated by order ECOFO 878 ,
de activation of phones on Boeing 757 aircraft TOOK place on 28th Jan 2001 """
therefore no phone calls could be made by Barbara Olson to her husband from the Boing 757 she was on in Sept 2001.

 

[Declan]

Yes, please do -

The 9/11 Phone Calls: Disturbing Irregularities Uncovered in the Calls that Flashed around the World

/PRNewswire/ -- America first learned of the 9/11 hijackings from Solicitor-General Ted Olson, who reported two calls from his wife, well-known CNN commentator...

www.prnewswire.com

Open and shut case right there, a man facing death will most definitely not refuse to talk to his wife.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Open and shut case right there, a man facing death will most definitely not refuse to talk to his wife.

Further delving into the links finds this -

The most extensive of these reports were by Canadian mathematician and scientist A. K. Dewdney, who for many years had written a column for Scientific American. [19] In 2003, he published reports of experiments he had carried out in single- and twin-engine airplanes, showing that at 20,000 feet, there was a one-in-a-hundred chance of successful calls from a single-engine plane, and in a twin-engine plane (which has greater insulation), the success rate at 7,000 feet was 0 percent. He also pointed out that cell phone failure would occur at even lower altitudes in large airliners, which are even more insulated.

Point PC-3: Cell Phone Calls from the Planes: The First Official Account | Consensus 911

www.consensus911.org

Perhaps it may be time to action your earlier suggestion of banning those who contend otherwise.

 

[Declan]

Well let's see, Myles.

I said airphones were in use on the 911 planes and I was correct. Everyone else was wrong.
I said it was possible to use mobile phones on a plane, and I then found evidence of pilots getting and using phone coverage while flying. Everyone else was wrong.

All one really needs is a bit of critical thinking, some level of intelligence and some technical knowledge to understand or figure this out.

Quit your shit.
2 planes had airphones and using cellphones was impossible and still is.

 

[Declan]

I believed at the time that the people calling parents were agents and today we know that voices can be cloned and indeed faces as well.

 

[AUL LAD]

Couldn't agree more. He's more Worldly than most of this Site's members combined.

Yet all he seems to get is guff from know-it-all Millennials.

Myles i know you like a summary and this will freak you out but it is what it is and i am only writing this in case it helps someone .
you are very kind -- i have lived possibly 30-40 years longer than the average on this site --this does not give me any intellectual ability however i have clocked up 40 years more miles and seen 40 years more of life and made more mistakes and had to endure their cost and i have reflected on some and come to a better understanding of my frailties and others,
and i am only now starting to get sense near the final curtain.
i through my work have spent much of my life traveling and have worked for the most varied mix of people including the British House of Lords and the Bangladeshi community of the south east of Ireland in the same week --
i made friends with the Bangladeshis most of whom were from Sylhet in northern Bangladesh which i was familiar with and this is the tea growing area and the British embassy is located there and not in Dhaka for very practical reasons.
i have an engineering base and i am familiar with heavy vehicles also ,
i am semi retired now working 2-3 days per week +++ and as a hobby i have an small electronics lab and a studio for making documentaries which i hope to christen later this year .
i have spent the past 5 years gathering material for a book which is non fiction and is based on Irish and world history .
what was 7 chapters is now almost 40 and i am trying to limit my input to 15 pages at the most as i require the book to be devoid almost of any personal commentary and i am merely connecting dots .
i was not given money as a child but could have any book i wanted and i read every page in a large collection of encyclopedias prior to TV arriving in our house in 1963 which only lasted a few hours a day and i was used to hearing the national anthem each night and read continuously some rubbish and some great material .
i pay my monthly sub to scribed and others and i download books each month for free and for a pittance .
i was totally liberated by the internet and you who have never been totally frustrated by---- info being either in-accessible or UN-afforadable by making inquiries at Easons or Chapters and if they did not have it that was the end of the road for thousands of inquiring Irish people .
the wealth of Ireland today is almost beyond my comprehension and my father came from a small farm and had a very humble start and my mother came from Leitrim and went to school barefoot for a period -- my grandfather died when they were young and it left them destitute and it marked them for life .
my grandmother brought my mother to a small kilkenny town and PAID the shop and sawmill and pub owner to give her a start as an a trainee accountant who then gave an oxo cube in hot water and bread for lunch .
my father reared greyhounds and trained them while he was serving his time as a mechanic in order to feed himself.
i as their son did not suffer their lot and traveled this planet and proposed to my wife in the gardens of the Taj Mahal and she quite rightly initially turned me down.
my grown children are just qualifying as teachers and do not read nor are they curious or have any great interest in seeing the world or meeting it people.
my politics are foreign to them and they will never search easons or chapters .
they are lovely people and i do not impose my beliefs on them -- life for them is so different and i am frightened by their quiet acceptance of evil -- they don't see it and i cannot make them see it --i keep thinking they will cop on and i do my best to hint that things are not what they seem -- but it is too much at present they need depth and background to make an assessment and they and their lovely kind friends have neither.

 

[Kangal]

Quit your shit.
2 planes had airphones and using cellphones was impossible and still is.

I've shown otherwise Dec. You really can't argue with pilots saying they can get phone service.

MAF argued that "The whole 9/11 narrative has always stressed people were phoning their families from their cell phones. NOT, from the Airfone system or its like". Though later he says "Nobody said they were not in use".

I've shown airphones were used for almost all communications from passengers.

And we have known it from the beginning. I presume you found the references in the 911 Commision report for example.

And that's that.

Banning me from the thread doesn't change a very awkward fact for any of you.

What people want to do instead is focus solely on what was actually a small number of cell phone calls, then rely on bad science and a hilariously inept understanding of technology to say these calls could not have happened. Smoke and mirrors.

Almost all calls by passengers were made by airphone.

 

[Declan]

It was impossible to use cellphones. End of story.

 

[valamhic]

I was in the twin towers on the previous 16th August 2001. I entered it from Curtland train station underground and walked out on the street and looked up. at the building. It was raining heavily. I left it at that. I remember the ground floor was walled with white marble and there were rows and rows of name plates of all the businesses
on the walls. It was not bombed, the planes brought it down. Aluminium is flamable in certain circumstances.
It is used in fireworks producing very high temperatures especially when mixed with water.

I believe the safety staff told the occupants to stay at their desks and not try to leave. That was the wrong advice to give. The right thing to do was run out by the stairs as fast as possible. It was used as an excuse to invade Iraq.

 

[valamhic]

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It was impossible to use cellphones. End of story.

Put a mobile phone in a tin box and see will it ring. The metal casing would block most of the signal but the windows would let some pass through. The signal would be very strong over these large cities. If I were a passenger I would try to tackle them and drive my finger into their eyes. Better than nothing I suppose.

It did not stop the American voting for the criminal democratic party.

 

[Kangal]

It was impossible to use cellphones. End of story.

Airborne Cell Phone Performance

Information on cell phone performance at altitude and operational limits

www.shadetreephysics.com

 

[Anderson]

View: https://youtu.be/djKIlXz8WJs

 

[Declan]

Airborne Cell Phone Performance

Information on cell phone performance at altitude and operational limits

www.shadetreephysics.com