Ukraine.

[Mad as Fish]

400K missile vs 20K drone made from plywood
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Why not take the concept further and build a huge fleet of dummy drones for 2k apiece to overwhelm and exhaust the air defences?

 

[bormotello]

You know the primary purpose of the Maginot line was to slow down any invading German forces in those sectors so that the French had time to mobilise forces.

Actually not. The main purpose of the Maginot line was to force Germans to invade through Belgium where allies could give them a battle.
Even attack on Fort Eben-Emael where 80 German paratroopers captured the most heavily fortified fort in Europe with 1500 troops inside, was only to convince French that Germany was following Schlieffen's plan and force them to move their main forces to Belgium leaving most of France unprotected
Avdeevka had a similar purpose to force the Russian army to go through a deadly trap between Avdeevka and Opytnoe

And the Germans avoided those fixed defenses by attacking at Sedan, cutting off British and French armies and assuring the defeat of France.

And to that Germans had to break through Maginot Line. In France, you can still see remains of Fort La Ferte which have been destroyed by the German Army on the way to France. This is a problem of defense lines - you don't need to break all of them, one-two could be enough to make the whole defense line useless.

Because attacking fixed defences ensures very high casualties on the attackers, slows down the advance so that defenders have time to bring up their own reserves and defend in depth. In short, its dumb.

Actually I'm wrong. You're right. Russia really should do more Avdiivkas

Russia lost in Avdeevka much less men than Ukraine in poorly fortified Rabotino and the Ukrainian defense line collapsed mostly because Russian Army didn't have a shortage of shells and bombs
Plus Ukrainians cannot shell Donetsk easily

 

[bormotello]

Ukraine takes city in Donetsk, eliminates over 1,000 Russ...

"As of now, Krasnohorivka is under the control of Ukrainian troops!" Ukraine's Third Assault Brigade said on Wednesday.

www.newsweek.com

I wonder where the RU reserve is?

Any photos or videos to prove such a claim about 1000's killed or it is just usual Western propaganda
BTW, so far I couldn't find a report from the Russian side that Krasnogorovka has been taken by the Russian army, only reports that some units are close to the outskirts
This is video from today that Krasnogorovka is still under heavy shelling

View: https://t.me/nm_dnr/11854

 

[jpc]

I read a good observation wrt Macrons and now the Dutch defence ministers EU troops in the Ukraine.
None of these effete pricks have lived in the real world.
Haven't experienced physical danger.
They simply don't have a fucking clue personally about the consequences.
And the consequences for all the people they want to send.
Moron middle management.
Soundbites aren't going to cut it against a street fighter.

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

I'm not sure French troops would go and fight Russians in Ukraine for dirty little macron

 

[Mad as Fish]

I read a good observation wrt Macrons and now the Dutch defence ministers EU troops in the Ukraine.
None of these effete pricks have lived in the real world.
Haven't experienced physical danger.
They simply don't have a fucking clue personally about the consequences.
And the consequences for all the people they want to send.
Moron middle management.
Soundbites aren't going to cut it against a street fighter.

Remember how all those coffins were paraded before us during the covid event? I bet we won't see the same when a much larger number of soldiers are in them.

 

[clarke-connolly]

I'm not sure French troops would go and fight Russians in Ukraine for dirty little macron

They would be doing much better For France, in Staying at Home and Protecting France from Macron and the People he Represents.

 

[nobody knows I'm a dog]

I find this odd, really.

I can right this very minute buy a set of thermal/night vision goggles with a solid IP rating for under 1K AUD$. It's the sort of tech that should be affordable.

That's good how one can buy such useful equipment cheaply in Ozzyland. I could have taken this up wrong, but I believe such things can't be bought by Joe and Mary Civillian here in Eire.

 

[bormotello]

I was only speculating that they are using missiles rather than guns. The use of Harriers suggest that guns are an option. Missiles would be used to thin a large mob of drone with the remainder being shot down. These are V1s remember.

British used spitfires against V1, which had a similar speed range and a lot of guns.
For jets using cannons is a challenge due fast approach from the back on shooting distance
Ukraine lost 2 jets when engines from an exploded drone simply flew into a jet

View: https://twitter.com/THEEURASIATIMES/status/1642127191835303936

In any case, the Americans have a large inventory of sidewinders and a smaller inventory of ship air defense missiles which are more appropriate to anti-ship missiles.
In the age of 5th Gen fighters active radar missiles (or Fox-3s, Amrams) are mostly used with Fox-2s only used in extremis as engagements are long range and evasive manoeuvres against infrared tech are more effective. Of course I'm not a military aviation expert or anything.

Regarding IR-guided missiles drones can be easily modified to reduce IR footprint and you don't need any super technology or massive investment to do that
First, take exhaust into pipes going under the bottom of the wing to cool down gases
Second, make a thermal shield around the engine and spread hot air into sides
It will reduce power output and range, but the jets will have to go close to the drone to lock IR seeker warhead and if it will be minimal shooting range, then missile won't be able to fire
See how it is done on Israeli Hermes UAV and compare it to Houthis drones with open engine from lawnmowers

Note the rapid reply when you saw that I was online. What sort of software are you using? How's the desk job treating you?

If 12 hours between your post and my reply is a rapid response

 

[Mad as Fish]

British used spitfires against V1, which had a similar speed range and a lot of guns.
For jets using cannons is a challenge due fast approach from the back on shooting distance
Ukraine lost 2 jets when engines from an exploded drone simply flew into a jet

View: https://twitter.com/THEEURASIATIMES/status/1642127191835303936




Regarding IR-guided missiles drones can be easily modified to reduce IR footprint and you don't need any super technology or massive investment to do that
First, take exhaust into pipes going under the bottom of the wing to cool down gases
Second, make a thermal shield around the engine and spread hot air into sides
It will reduce power output and range, but the jets will have to go close to the drone to lock IR seeker warhead and if it will be minimal shooting range, then missile won't be able to fire


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I believe that being hit by debris was also a problem for the Spitfires, so the RAF developed the habit of flying alongside and tipping them over with their wingtips, this upset their gyroscopes and they would plunge groundwards before reaching their target.

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

British used spitfires against V1, which had a similar speed range and a lot of guns.
For jets using cannons is a challenge due fast approach from the back on shooting distance
Ukraine lost 2 jets when engines from an exploded drone simply flew into a jet

View: https://twitter.com/THEEURASIATIMES/status/1642127191835303936




Regarding IR-guided missiles drones can be easily modified to reduce IR footprint and you don't need any super technology or massive investment to do that
First, take exhaust into pipes going under the bottom of the wing to cool down gases
Second, make a thermal shield around the engine and spread hot air into sides
It will reduce power output and range, but the jets will have to go close to the drone to lock IR seeker warhead and if it will be minimal shooting range, then missile won't be able to fire
See how it is done on Israeli Hermes UAV and compare it to Houthis drones with open engine from lawnmowers
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If 12 hours between your post and my reply is a rapid response View attachment 4514

Interesting reply, thank you.

The tweet is from this report that Mad as Fish referred to above. Looks like the aircraft was speeding through the object it destroyed as it had to be close to fix on the target.

Aircraft that perform better at lower speeds (ca. 100 mph) appear to be a better option than high speed jets - that's why I suggested AT-802U Sky Wardens as they could be landed and resupplied anywhere (the Americans also have a few spare). Maybe attack helicopters would also work. The objective here is to defend cities from random bombardment by flying bombs.

As for the missiles - I don't know much about their capabilities. The design of the nozzles on the newer jets do shield the exhausts, which apparently is effective, so what you suggest sounds plausible. Missiles that are guided onto the target by the attacking aircraft (Fox-1s, an Aim-7 Sparrow for example) would overcome this shielding. That said, I'm no expert. The Russians do have a sophisticated military aerospace industry so you'd have better sources to refer to than I do.

Just a note on bombing cities - this was tried during WW2 in order to break civilian morale. It never worked and V1s were only deployed as a Wunderwaffe once it wasn't possible to conduct bombing raids on Britain anymore, and only served to soothe the nerves of command rather than effect any useful military advantage. The Ukrainians have gotten through another winter, albeit with a bleak spring and summer ahead of them.

I'd prefer a reasonable peace was agreed, I've no wish to see the further death or maiming of either Russians or Ukrainians.

 

[bormotello]

Interesting reply, thank you.

The tweet is from this report that Mad as Fish referred to above. Looks like the aircraft was speeding through the object it destroyed as it had to be close to fix on the target.

Aircraft that perform better at lower speeds (ca. 100 mph) appear to be a better option than high speed jets - that's why I suggested AT-802U Sky Wardens as they could be landed and resupplied anywhere (the Americans also have a few spare). Maybe attack helicopters would also work. The objective here is to defend cities from random bombardment by flying bombs.

You cannot put radar on single-engine aircraft and twin-engine interceptors like Me-110 are not produced anymore
Attack helicopters are more promising, but Ukraine will need a few hundred of them to cover all directions
Russia is using attack helicopters to destroy Ukrainian drones
looks like the armor on them, designed to withstand .50cal, is enough to protect from debris

View: https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1698687298265628795

But is a very expensive option to keep enough of them in the air
Plus Ukraine doesn't have such types of helicopters, Mi-24 is too big, and Apache or Tiger hardly will be shipped to Ukraine

As for the missiles - I don't know much about their capabilities. The design of the nozzles on the newer jets do shield the exhausts, which apparently is effective, so what you suggest sounds plausible. Missiles that are guided onto the target by the attacking aircraft (Fox-1s, an Aim-7 Sparrow for example) would overcome this shielding. That said, I'm no expert. The Russians do have a sophisticated military aerospace industry so you'd have better sources to refer to than I do.

Aim-7 Sparrow doesn't guide from the plane - it has semi-active radar homing system which means that lightning radar is placed on the plane and the missile has only a receiver with antenna. This approach saves a lot of power required for missile, but doesn't solve the main problem - the small footprint of drones on radar because only the engine can reflect something back. The rest of the drone is made from plastic and invisible to radar
So far S-300 which also has semi-active homing system wasn't very successful against cheap drones despite more powerful radar

Just a note on bombing cities - this was tried during WW2 in order to break civilian morale. It never worked and V1s were only deployed as a Wunderwaffe once it wasn't possible to conduct bombing raids on Britain anymore, and only served to soothe the nerves of command rather than effect any useful military advantage. The Ukrainians have gotten through another winter, albeit with a bleak spring and summer ahead of them.

I'd prefer a reasonable peace was agreed, I've no wish to see the further death or maiming of either Russians or Ukrainians.

It is nothing about morale, Russia is targeting mostly ammo storages within cities
Most of the damage you see in Western propaganda is the result of ground-to-air missiles losing their targets and hitting residential buildings
This is a price what Ukrainian pays for hiding launchers inside residential areas

 

[bormotello]

View: https://twitter.com/nrogeiro/status/1763006539571302503

and more photos under spoiler

Spoiler: graphic

View: https://t.me/HersonVestnik/26240

 

[bormotello]

Instagram is protecting the business reputation and company image of General Dynamics Land Systems when you try to upload the video of the destroyed M1A Abrams tank in Ukraine
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View: https://twitter.com/Karmabash/status/1763225618081337732

 

[Mad as Fish]

I'm not sure French troops would go and fight Russians in Ukraine for dirty little macron

Perhaps the French generals might explain to him that sending troops to fight an army with two years experience on the ground, which has learnt to blow up the much hyped MIA2 tank, can recapture the most fortified towns and has an industry already geared up for arms production is not the brightest idea. Just how many troops does he intend to commit and just what is it that they are supposed to achieve?

The usual political spin, bluster and bullshit won't cut it with the top brass.

 

[Wolf]

Losing 11 Jets In 11 Days, Russia Stumbles Toward Aerial Collapse

The Russian air force lost another Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bomber on Thursday, the Ukrainian air force claimed. Its seventh in 11 days.

www.forbes.com

Another 2 Su-34 down today too.

 

[A Man Called Charolais]

You cannot put radar on single-engine aircraft and twin-engine interceptors like Me-110 are not produced anymore
Attack helicopters are more promising, but Ukraine will need a few hundred of them to cover all directions
Russia is using attack helicopters to destroy Ukrainian drones
looks like the armor on them, designed to withstand .50cal, is enough to protect from debris

View: https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1698687298265628795

But is a very expensive option to keep enough of them in the air
Plus Ukraine doesn't have such types of helicopters, Mi-24 is too big, and Apache or Tiger hardly will be shipped to Ukraine


Aim-7 Sparrow doesn't guide from the plane - it has semi-active radar homing system which means that lightning radar is placed on the plane and the missile has only a receiver with antenna. This approach saves a lot of power required for missile, but doesn't solve the main problem - the small footprint of drones on radar because only the engine can reflect something back. The rest of the drone is made from plastic and invisible to radar
So far S-300 which also has semi-active homing system wasn't very successful against cheap drones despite more powerful radar


It is nothing about morale, Russia is targeting mostly ammo storages within cities
Most of the damage you see in Western propaganda is the result of ground-to-air missiles losing their targets and hitting residential buildings
This is a price what Ukrainian pays for hiding launchers inside residential areas

These would be relatively inexpensive aircraft that would be guided onto the target by air control, it would require skill alright but they could probably swing it. The debris question was undoubtedly an issue when propeller driver aircraft were the standard fare and I'm not sure that it's not a red herring given the numerous dogfights in those days. The significant problem with the jet aircraft is that they're moving so fast that they zip through the debris field - a Harrier or Sky Warden wouldn't have that problem as they could loiter at lower speeds.

Running a few attack helicopters near large urban areas would be cheaper than expending patriot missiles on drones; propeller driven aircraft could be used further out to reduce numbers of incoming. It's about running an effective air defense on a tight budget. I realise that there's a lot of graft involved so there's pressure to run it like the RHI scheme but needs must given constraints. An alternative is to shrug their shoulders and let them through.

It would also keep some Ukrainian pilots alive and doing something useful. There's a habit in Eastern Europe of needing the fill the numbers of killed and injured for the monthly report that might be diverted into a more constructive management of field assets.

I take your point about the Sparrow (Fox 1) but the aircraft has to keep its radar on and directed at the target so it plays an indispensable role. It essentially guides the missile onto the target like a laser designator for smart munitions. This makes it a less desirable armament on the contemporary battlefield for engagements other than those relating to the shooting down of crippled or soft targets. The Americans also have a lot of these in storage and I'm pretty certain that, if they're within 10 miles, they have a firm lock on them. One USMC pilot managed to get seven intercepts so it must be feasible.

In any case, there still is a Ukrainian air force and, given the pressure they're under to make irrational decisions to maximise the skim for the "bosses" (in the same manner that operates in the Russian forces) they've done very well. The more I elaborate on this subject, the more likely I am to propose something that would be evidently ridiculous to them. I'll leave it to them to figure out. The only benefit I could make is to coax the politicals to take a more creative approach and it's unlikely that this conversation is going to be picked up by the international press so it's more of an exercise in curiosity than anything else.

As for the "firing rockets from power stations in Kiev" line - is that something like the bridge you have for sale?

 

[Wolf]

The terrorists in Washington are determined to bring us to WW3, they'll push Russia to the brink.
Pedo Biden needs a serious war in this election year.

'Moscow can strike West' - Putin warns of nuclear risk

Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned Western countries that there is a genuine risk of nuclear war if they sent their own troops to fight in Ukraine, and he said Moscow had the weapons to strike targets in the West.

www.rte.ie

 

[Mad as Fish]

It's bad when even Carlson won't swallow the bullshit.


View: https://twitter.com/United24media/status/1763208080718729285?t=di4FJOYfqFEFi0MujzM7PA&s=19

Should he ever have the misfortune to stumble across your wittering he might well reconsider that assessment.

 

[Zipporah's Flint]

It's bad when even Carlson won't swallow the bullshit.


View: https://twitter.com/United24media/status/1763208080718729285?t=di4FJOYfqFEFi0MujzM7PA&s=19

It is not dumb when you remember for the majority of Russians Nazism= Occidental Social Darwinism.

For Normie Westerners Nazism= Jeremy Corbyn and Idriss Sihamedi if you are right wing it is Donald Trump and Chaya Raichik.

I think the Russians might be a wee bit more historically accurate.

 

[SeekTheFairLand]

Carlson is CIA as Putin alluded to in the interview. Carlson is normalising for US audiences the coming need for the US admin to come to terms with a 'Bad Man' whom they have spent years demonizing.

 

[Fishalt]

28 day territory annexation map (Avdiivka).


View: https://streamable.com/w5h6dz

 

[Mad as Fish]

28 day territory annexation map (Avdiivka).


View: https://streamable.com/w5h6dz

Magnificent victory for Ukraine there! ©Kangal

 

[Wolf]

Should he ever have the misfortune to stumble across your wittering he might well reconsider that assessment.

One really has to wonder why Comical Jarry continues to post his bullshit on our site.
There's definitely a want in that pedo.
After banning all accounts and almost destroying our site the question should be asked as to why @Declan has allowed it to return.
Are things that desperate that he allows a saboteur who continues to slate him and this site on the shitsite with Gowl & Co back to pollute this place with its inane scutter?

 

[clarke-connolly]

Carlson is CIA as Putin alluded to in the interview. Carlson is normalising for US audiences the coming need for the US admin to come to terms with a 'Bad Man' whom they have spent years demonizing.

I'd say that Tucker Carlson is a CIA Operator alright.

 

[Mad as Fish]

I'd say that Tucker Carlson is a CIA Operator alright.

Do we know now much he got for being 'sacked'?

 

[valamhic]

The cocaine addicted transvestite is off on another begging tour this week.

Ukraine seeks Balkan arms, support at summit in Albania

President Volodymyr Zelensky has tried to drum up Balkan support for his vision of peace in Ukraine and promoted the idea of joint arms production at a two-day summit of southeastern European countries.

www.rte.ie

I reckon they are firing small and large guns just to make noise. Bank away whether there is a target or not.
Wasting ammo. Like if I fire the gun at nothing to kill grey crows.

 

[valamhic]

Do we know now much he got for being 'sacked'?

Ukraine's frontline is collapsing

A lack of ammunition and a hold-up in further U.S. aid for Kyiv is handing Russia an advantage following its capture of Avdiivka.

www.newsweek.com

Very Little to stop Russia now.

True, unless Napoleon Macron wades in with ground troops.

 

[Mad as Fish]

Why are my posts being removed? I'm just posting reality.

Your idea of reality hardly accords with how the majority of the population experiences it.

 

[Wolf]

Your idea of reality hardly accords with how the majority of the population experiences it.

Even 'Sparks' on the shitsite has told it where to go.

Meanwhile, even the American puppets in Europe have told The Frog where to go too......

Nato allies reject Emmanuel Macron idea of troops to Ukraine

The US and the UK are among those to say they will not deploy troops after remarks by Emmanuel Macron.

www.bbc.com

What's with the surrender monkeys getting all uppity these days? They weren't long putting up the white flag when the German Nazis were advancing back in the day, now they're supporting Uki Nazis too.

 

[Wolf]

The delusions continue.

'We will win' Zelensky tells war anniversary ceremony

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has promised victory against Russia on the second anniversary of the invasion as his troops fight on despite a lack of Western aid and recent Russian gains.

www.rte.ie

 

[Wolf]

Guess someone has to clean up the cluster bombs the terrorists in Washington sent to Zitler.

Irish de-mining units have arrived in Ukraine - Varadkar

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said that Irish de-mining equipment has arrived in Ukraine in the past few weeks and Ireland was helping Ukraine to use it.

www.rte.ie

 

[Mad as Fish]

The delusions continue.

'We will win' Zelensky tells war anniversary ceremony

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has promised victory against Russia on the second anniversary of the invasion as his troops fight on despite a lack of Western aid and recent Russian gains.

www.rte.ie

RTE appear to be adopting a bunker mentality, the more its favourite toys are knocked the harder it doubles down on them. It's not at all a healthy situation, but that is the consequence of crawling up their own arses beyond the point of no return.

 

[Myles O'Reilly]

We don't need Putin for that

Putin plans to flood West with migrants​

Russia is using private militias to control and “weaponise” immigration into Europe, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Kremlin has influence over a number of the main routes into the continent and border police are warning that, with the arrival of spring, Russia is likely to “intensify” its efforts to move migrants.

It has been widely feared that Vladimir Putin is using the tactic to destabilise Europe.

Revealed: how Putin plans to flood West with migrants

Russia is using private militias to control and “weaponise” immigration into Europe, The Telegraph can reveal.

uk.yahoo.com

 

[Wolf]

We don't need Putin for that

Putin plans to flood West with migrants​

Russia is using private militias to control and “weaponise” immigration into Europe, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Kremlin has influence over a number of the main routes into the continent and border police are warning that, with the arrival of spring, Russia is likely to “intensify” its efforts to move migrants.

It has been widely feared that Vladimir Putin is using the tactic to destabilise Europe.

Revealed: how Putin plans to flood West with migrants

Russia is using private militias to control and “weaponise” immigration into Europe, The Telegraph can reveal.

uk.yahoo.com

Yep.
Russia isn't going to destroy itself by allowing the importation of the feral dregs of humanity.
Fair play to them.
The goons who support the Uki Nazis and the Israeli Jew Nazis continually fail to understand the consequences of that support, i.e the displacement of human dirt into the west.

 

[Mad as Fish]

As incoherent as the rest of the posters here.


View: https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1763293317947637797?t=LwzP-9YxFFGKMzGD74jDgQ&s=19

Err... What's your point?

Russia was indeed worried about an expanding NATO presence to its west, and rightly so, as confirmed by Merkel, NATO has since shot its load all over Ukraine while not formally getting involved and now stands impotent.

In a way Putin has done the West a favour, demonstrating that it is not to be messed with before the Yanks tried it on, via NATO, and getting a proper beating.

 

[Wolf]

Its incredible how scared the mods are here.

Even your buddy 'Sparky', or 'David has been banned', detests odious little tosspots like you, Wank, as can be seen by this reply to you this morning on the shitsite.

"lol.. Let me guess, your kid has frizzy hair and a eh, all-year tan, doesn't look anything like you?

So not only do you want her to be a tranny (because gay is "boring").. you want her to have multiple identity crises.. You people (self-loathing, white) leftards truly are the most fucked-up people on the planet."


Even the Gowl detests you....and that's really saying something.

The moderators here are well wise to your goal of shutting down our site. You tried before and got sitebanned for it, why you're allowed back is beyond all of us here.

 

[Wolf]

LOL. Surely the Uki's need all they can harvest to feed their own?

EU states back plan to limit Ukrainian farm imports

EU member states have backed a push from Brussels for "safeguards" to stop cheap Ukrainian farm imports from flooding the market amid angry demonstrations in Poland.

www.rte.ie

Are EU member states calling for embargo's and sanctions on Ukraine now?

 

[Wolf]

It's almost like some posters are threatening them.

With 'legal action'?
Like you did with politicalirish.com?

 

[Coal Gas and peat]

@Kangal Ukraine will win the war ?