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i think this is as much of a admission from the msm that the anti-vaxer's where right! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/09/the-real-covid-jab-scandal-is-finally-emerging/

Good find, behind a paywall, it can be read on MSN here.

'Let’s go back to when much of the world had copied the Wuhan lockdown, with two major exceptions: Britain and Sweden. In both countries, public health officials were reluctant to implement a lockdown theory that had no basis in science. Ditto the case for mandatory masks. The public had responded: mobile-phone data showed millions were already staying home. Could you really put an entire nation under house arrest, then mandate masks, if you had no evidence that either policy would work?

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There was no Sage modelling until quite late on but, soon, models and disaster-graphs were everywhere. Cummings’s evidence includes photos taken in No 10 of hand-drawn charts with annotations like “100,000+ people dying in corridors”. He says he told Boris Johnson that failure to lock down would end in a “zombie apocalypse movie with unburied bodies”. The PM asked him, if this was all true, “why aren’t Hancock, Whitty, Vallance telling me this?”

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It was a different story in Sweden where Johan Giesecke, a former state epidemiologist, had returned to the Public Health Agency and was reading Ferguson’s models in disbelief. Remember mad cow disease, when 4 million English livestock had been slaughtered to prevent the disease spreading? “They thought 50,000 people would die,” he told his staff. “How many did? 177.” He recalled Ferguson saying 200 million might die from bird flu when just 455 did. Modellers, he argued, had been calamitously wrong in the past. Should society really be closed now on their say so?

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Britain’s Covid Inquiry has years to run: Sweden’s was over some time ago. It unearthed an email that Giesecke sent Tegnell, just after Denmark and Norway locked down and pressure on Sweden was at its peak. It was a quote from a Swedish diplomat in 1648: “An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundas regatur”. Underneath, he included a translation: “Don’t you know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?”'


A lot of public policy is being driven by computer modelling. It's reliability is dubious and should not be relied upon as the basis for programs of upheaval over than those of incremental iteration.


'With this in mind, he goes on argue that scientific theories are distinguished from non-scientific theories by a second sort of boldness: they make testable claims that future observations might reveal to be false. This boldness thus amounts to a willingness to take a risk of being wrong. On Popper’s view, scientists investigating a theory make repeated, honest attempts to falsify the theory, whereas adherents of pseudoscientific or metaphysical theories routinely take measures to make the observed reality fit the predictions of the theory.'

https://iep.utm.edu/pop-sci/


The imbroglio around the vaccines hasn't emerged as a topic in polite society topic yet. It's a dreadful prospect that many would prefer to avoid - ignorance provides a quantilla of solace I suppose.
 

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The imbroglio around the vaccines hasn't emerged as a topic in polite society topic yet. It's a dreadful prospect that many would prefer to avoid -
- polite society supports vaccine mandates and telly programmed narratives. Non vaxxed are considered a dreadful prospect to be avoided?
 

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Good find, behind a paywall, it can be read on MSN here.

'Let’s go back to when much of the world had copied the Wuhan lockdown, with two major exceptions: Britain and Sweden. In both countries, public health officials were reluctant to implement a lockdown theory that had no basis in science. Ditto the case for mandatory masks. The public had responded: mobile-phone data showed millions were already staying home. Could you really put an entire nation under house arrest, then mandate masks, if you had no evidence that either policy would work?

...

There was no Sage modelling until quite late on but, soon, models and disaster-graphs were everywhere. Cummings’s evidence includes photos taken in No 10 of hand-drawn charts with annotations like “100,000+ people dying in corridors”. He says he told Boris Johnson that failure to lock down would end in a “zombie apocalypse movie with unburied bodies”. The PM asked him, if this was all true, “why aren’t Hancock, Whitty, Vallance telling me this?”

...

It was a different story in Sweden where Johan Giesecke, a former state epidemiologist, had returned to the Public Health Agency and was reading Ferguson’s models in disbelief. Remember mad cow disease, when 4 million English livestock had been slaughtered to prevent the disease spreading? “They thought 50,000 people would die,” he told his staff. “How many did? 177.” He recalled Ferguson saying 200 million might die from bird flu when just 455 did. Modellers, he argued, had been calamitously wrong in the past. Should society really be closed now on their say so?

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Britain’s Covid Inquiry has years to run: Sweden’s was over some time ago. It unearthed an email that Giesecke sent Tegnell, just after Denmark and Norway locked down and pressure on Sweden was at its peak. It was a quote from a Swedish diplomat in 1648: “An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundas regatur”. Underneath, he included a translation: “Don’t you know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?”'


A lot of public policy is being driven by computer modelling. It's reliability is dubious and should not be relied upon as the basis for programs of upheaval over than those of incremental iteration.


'With this in mind, he goes on argue that scientific theories are distinguished from non-scientific theories by a second sort of boldness: they make testable claims that future observations might reveal to be false. This boldness thus amounts to a willingness to take a risk of being wrong. On Popper’s view, scientists investigating a theory make repeated, honest attempts to falsify the theory, whereas adherents of pseudoscientific or metaphysical theories routinely take measures to make the observed reality fit the predictions of the theory.'

https://iep.utm.edu/pop-sci/


The imbroglio around the vaccines hasn't emerged as a topic in polite society topic yet. It's a dreadful prospect that many would prefer to avoid - ignorance provides a quantilla of solace I suppose.
A lot of public policy is being driven by computer modelling. It's reliability is dubious and should not be relied upon as the basis for programs of upheaval over than those of incremental iteration.

Now let's apply that to climate change.
 

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We were told Ireland was 95% compliant by the msm and politicians. I wonder what the real number is?
l'd guess 18%. My neighbours son his wife and 5 kids took no jab. Perfectly healthy and breeding like rabbits.
I don't have it at all. But I know a lot of people who did take it. They could have put a madness chemical into it.
 

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A snake oil vaccine is the dreadful prospect to be avoided.
Seems a reasonable point of view, a decent HSE should be making the public aware to be on the look out for any signs of bad batches, some discussion on the LLS, Plank & LLine to keep us informed just in case something goes wrong.
 

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i think this is as much of a admission from the msm that the anti-vaxer's where right! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/09/the-real-covid-jab-scandal-is-finally-emerging/
And the level of censorship is incredible.
And now the denial is nauseating.
The irony of it all.

 

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And the level of censorship is incredible.
And now the denial is nauseating.
The irony of it all.

What is chiefly worrying about this aspect of the event is the complaceny of the MSM. To simply say that it was all a Zionist plot and the zionists own the press is a little too simplistic. There had to be a collective will already existing and my view is that it was based on the printed press wanting to retain its relevance. Here was a cause the papers could row in behind that gave them a power they had not enjoyed for a long time. As for social media then it’s all about power, ego and bragging rights down at the more exclusive golf clubs.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong.
Aren't professional influencers meant to identify themselves and the organisations sponsoring them?
In the interests of transparency and the prevention of the spread of disinformation and false narratives.
And all that earnest public interest stuff.
Just a thought!
No such luck. A site like this is tiny of course but still it will be looked at. According to the software, the Ukraine thread has 200000 views. If you ask me, it might have been seen by 1% of that or 2000 people. I do not know.
 

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No such luck. A site like this is tiny of course but still it will be looked at. According to the software, the Ukraine thread has 200000 views. If you ask me, it might have been seen by 1% of that or 2000 people. I do not know.
Bots crawling all over the web looking for content. We are being watched alright, as was Pish, and that eventually sunk without a trace.
 

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Talking to a lady today who innocently remarked that so many people around her were dying of cancer, and so suddenly, including young ones! I gently explained a few things to her and, to be fair, she took it all on board.

It's fast becoming an epidemic.
 

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Next name change for the pedo Jarry will be back to Charlottesweb...😂
 

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Any evidence for this "direct connection"?
Do you mean….other than the common denominator that all the people dying of these cardiac and other diseases known to be a side effect of the Jibby jab, took the experimental injection?
 
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Do you mean….other than the common denominator that all the people dying of these cardiac and other diseases known to be a side effect of the Jibby jab, took the experimental injection?
So, no evidence of a direct connection.

Interestingly, there is a different connection.


"Figure 2, also from the website pandem-ic.com, shows the cumulative excess mortality—the sum of all deaths exceeding expectations—since January 2021. We can observe a negative correlation between vaccination and excess mortality. This means that there have been fewer excess deaths in highly vaccinated countries compared to less vaccinated countries."

"the results described above are sufficient to say that excess mortality data collected since the beginning of the vaccine rollouts contradict the claim. Rather, they are compatible with the hypothesis that COVID-19 vaccines are beneficial and reduce the overall number of deaths.

Published studies confirmed that observation. One study compared the mortality and vaccination coverage of 178 countries, correcting for the difference in life expectancy between countries. The authors also found that a higher vaccination rate correlated with lower excess mortality[1]. Another study found that the most vaccinated U.S. states had less excess mortality than the least vaccinated ones[2]."

It's the unvaccinated who are contributing to excess deaths.

I hadn't looked at this before but I'm glad you let me know about it.
 
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So, no evidence of a direct connection.

Interestingly, there is a different connection.


"Figure 2, also from the website pandem-ic.com, shows the cumulative excess mortality—the sum of all deaths exceeding expectations—since January 2021. We can observe a negative correlation between vaccination and excess mortality. This means that there have been fewer excess deaths in highly vaccinated countries compared to less vaccinated countries."

"the results described above are sufficient to say that excess mortality data collected since the beginning of the vaccine rollouts contradict the claim. Rather, they are compatible with the hypothesis that COVID-19 vaccines are beneficial and reduce the overall number of deaths.

Published studies confirmed that observation. One study compared the mortality and vaccination coverage of 178 countries, correcting for the difference in life expectancy between countries. The authors also found that a higher vaccination rate correlated with lower excess mortality[1]. Another study found that the most vaccinated U.S. states had less excess mortality than the least vaccinated ones[2]."

It's the unvaccinated who are contributing to excess deaths.

I hadn't looked at this before but I'm glad you let me know about it.
There’s a mountain of evidence for a direct connection.

Question….the 8 year old boy who was the poster child for kids in Israel for getting the jab died of a heart attack….a heart attack at 8 years of age is not a thing.

What do you think caused this kid to have a heart attack?
 

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So, no evidence of a direct connection.

Interestingly, there is a different connection.


"Figure 2, also from the website pandem-ic.com, shows the cumulative excess mortality—the sum of all deaths exceeding expectations—since January 2021. We can observe a negative correlation between vaccination and excess mortality. This means that there have been fewer excess deaths in highly vaccinated countries compared to less vaccinated countries."

"the results described above are sufficient to say that excess mortality data collected since the beginning of the vaccine rollouts contradict the claim. Rather, they are compatible with the hypothesis that COVID-19 vaccines are beneficial and reduce the overall number of deaths.

Published studies confirmed that observation. One study compared the mortality and vaccination coverage of 178 countries, correcting for the difference in life expectancy between countries. The authors also found that a higher vaccination rate correlated with lower excess mortality[1]. Another study found that the most vaccinated U.S. states had less excess mortality than the least vaccinated ones[2]."

It's the unvaccinated who are contributing to excess deaths.

I hadn't looked at this before but I'm glad you let me know about it.
This is pure horseshit from start to finish.
 

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Many people that took the shot are incapable of accepting that it is a ticking time bomb. They will convince themselves of whatever nonsense necessary to get some other explanation, just like jarry just did.

It does not matter how idiotic because they have no choice.

I am surprised it isnot blamed on global warming or maybe a solar flair.
 
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a heart attack at 8 years of age is not a thing.


"Each year, SCA claims the lives of over 2,000 children and adolescents in the U.S. and accounts for approximately 3-5 percent of all deaths in children aged 5-19 years. It is also responsible for 10-15 percent of sudden unexpected infant deaths."

Next.
 

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Next name change for the pedo Jarry will be back to Charlottesweb...😂
He's resorted to CW's reasoning already. If there is no great study demonstrating that black is indeed black, then it must be white.
 

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"Each year, SCA claims the lives of over 2,000 children and adolescents in the U.S. and accounts for approximately 3-5 percent of all deaths in children aged 5-19 years. It is also responsible for 10-15 percent of sudden unexpected infant deaths."

Next.
Go find something that actually has a date on it. The link is complete bollux.
 

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"Each year, SCA claims the lives of over 2,000 children and adolescents in the U.S. and accounts for approximately 3-5 percent of all deaths in children aged 5-19 years. It is also responsible for 10-15 percent of sudden unexpected infant deaths."

Next.
There is more than 73 million under 18’s in the US. So it’s clearly statistically rare and associated with kids who are ill.

Making it out that it’s normal for a healthy 8 year old to have a heart is typical of you Tank.

So you’ve offered no good explanation why a perfectly healthy 8 year old, who took an unproven injection with known cardiac side effects had a heart attack?
 
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