A new book on the UFO, Alien Hoax

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A Review of Daniel O'Connor, The First and Last Deception (Rensselaer, New York, 2025).

This book follows on from his 2023 work, Only Man Bears His Image, and the author, who is a former engineer (including in quantum physics) but now teaches philosophy and is an expert in same and theology, is certainly the greatest authority on the subject of the Alien Hoax now living.

To begin with a couple of negatives, perversely because this is a great and important book! He ends in the Appendices by giving a number of enticing references to his 2023 work, which is fair enough because he is clearly the only person who has written about this extensively, but it might have helped to summarise a little of what he said in that work there, rather than have the reader thinking that he needs to get the earlier book as well.

The second criticism I would add is on the overall question of people who claim to have seen or experienced, alien craft or abductions etc. Because there is obviously no such thing as UFOs or extra terrestrial aliens whatsoever, which of course he rightly states and proves, these therefore require some explanation and I think its fair to say that he answers that in about four ways:
– Some are making it up, and for example present no proof at all.
– Some are mistaking other phenomenon for UFO sightings, e.g. advanced classified government technology.
– Some are encouraged to make up these experiences by psychiatrists, and related practitioners, who are implanting false memories in their patients.
– Some are seeing demons disguised as UFOs.
That last one is quite an interesting take on this, and he does indeed point the reader towards extensive evidence that this is true, UFO sightings that vanished at Christian exhortations or Holy Water etc. This then is his main explanation for those who seem to be telling the truth about their experiences, a category that he does acknowledge.

Where I would differ from him, and criticise this a little, is that I would add another category. I would say the Alien Hoax is driven by very powerful Occult groups out there (and in practice he does say that when it comes to the media, especially Hollywood, and unfortunately even including Church experts and channels) who are very well connected into the military and intelligence apparatuses of many governments, especially the US, and who are deliberately hoaxing these phenomenon. In otherwords yes, these people did see what looked totally like an alien craft in the sky or whatever, because actually a government or Occult group agency deliberately created a hologram (or real aircraft) that looks exactly like a real spaceship. There are even CIA documents out now that show that agency deliberately creating 'alien abductions' in South America ( https://www.thepulse.one/p/some-ufo-abductions-were-simulated ). So hence some people have very real 'UFO' experiences, but don't understand that these are elaborate hoaxes by very powerful government bodies, and this category O'Connor does not seem to explore at all.

At any rate this is an extensive work which would be impossible even to summarise in this short review, but suffice it to say that it is utterly incredible the degree to which the Alien Hoax is embraced and driven by the Occult world, and anti-Christian forces in general. Thats where they all hang out, if you want to meet your friendly local Satanist get down to the nearest UFO research gathering, because its awesome the links between the two. This also goes back centuries, if not millennia, with anti-Christian heresies (like what Giordano Bruno embraced) or personalities, like Voltaire, or even other religions (like Buddhism, which is big into the Alien Hoax and also is exceptionally anti-Christian and Occult like) etc etc. A related hoax/heresy is where they claim that AI, Artificial Intelligence, is going to become human like in its embrace of intelligence, so creating a kind of Deus ex machina, another Occult dream.

In any case rather than re-narrate this extensive book I will just add my take on where this is heading. I think the very powerful Occult groups, (Occultism is the religion of the Globalists, NOT Judaism, although some Occultists claim to be Jewish, like the Rothschilds) have an agenda of seeking to bring about the Apocalyptic 'End Times', with the Anti-Christ etc, and are moving our modern day society towards that goal. Crazy as it sounds, they believe in these Bible prophecies but nonetheless look upon Lucifer as the hero of that story, and hence want to bring it about. This view, incidentally, is not that far from where this book is coming from, O'Connor talks a lot about the 'End Times', although he is not referring there to the literal end of the world, only to the reign of the Anti-Christ etc.

Anyway the point is that these Globalists seem to be trying to bring about a world government, a totalitarian government, meaning it is to be an horrific dictatorship, and are latching onto issues or movements or just hoaxes that further this end. For example the climate change hoax is driving us towards a type of world government structure trading in carbon credits, but also bearing down on individuals and companies causing them to be almost conscious of how much they breathe. The last pandemic has settled into a world wide agreement to hand over power in that area exclusively to the WHO (taking out the discretion of the governments of nation states) and the totalitarian aspect of this area was obviously seen only a few years ago. Anyway there are numerous such fields where you can see this pattern developing.

But if Daniel O'Connor is right, that the 'End Times' type scenario is relevant here, then you have to add in a new element. That new element is that this future (and its not that far away) totalitarian world government will also compel its citizens to worship Lucifer. (Yes, its bats, I agree, but don't shoot the messenger here, is not as if I am in favour of it!) How are they going to do that, I hear you ask? Well thats the story of this book, it seems that the Occultists are gathering their forces over the next hill to ambush us all on this subject. They are about to launch their attack on an unsuspecting world public, with probably Covid style media and state brainwashing. However they are going to charge behind a shield wall. They are not going to call themselves Luciferians, they are simply going to launch the Alien Hoax in a big way, the 'First Contact'. That in turn is designed to crush or usurp Christianity (they are going to say that even Marian Apparitions are actually alien visitations) and slowly seep into the popular consciousness the Occult philosophies.

George Orwell said that "if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever," and that I think is what the Globalists have in mind for us all, unless they are stopped!

by Brian Nugent, http://www.orwellianireland.com

Part of me would like to see something like project bluebeam being enacted, purely from an entertainment perspective.

We know from Covid just how gullible the public actually are, so the spectacle of everyone looking up at the sky thinking that we are being invaded by little green men would be hilarious.
 

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Part of me would like to see something like project bluebeam being enacted, purely from an entertainment perspective.

We know from Covid just how gullible the public actually are, so the spectacle of everyone looking up at the sky thinking that we are being invaded by little green men would be hilarious.
Wasn't there something in the USA last year like that when there was a spate of UFO sightings reported?
 

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Can you make up your mind please.. or do you believe that the Universe and the Earth were created by your God at more or less the same time?
The heavens and the earth.. Of course.. What was I thinking 🙄
 

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Wasn't there something in the USA last year like that when there was a spate of UFO sightings reported?
Probably, although I’m not familiar with the story.

The little green men in space ships only seem to like visiting the USA.

This is their map of the world.

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Probably, although I’m not familiar with the story.

The little green men in space ships only seem to like visiting the USA.

This is their map of the world.

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Question for you Tiggy:

As you're anti-science (clearly), what percentage of scientists do you reckon think that we've been visited by little green men? 🤔
 

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Question for you Tiggy:

As you're anti-science (clearly), what percentage of scientists do you reckon think that we've been visited by little green men? 🤔
What’s the difference between a scientist thinking that we’ve been visited by little men in 1950’s style science fiction space ships and anyone else?

My cousin is a scientist working for Pfizer. Do you think he has some advantage over others in knowing about extraterrestrial visitations?
 

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Question for you Tiggy:

As you're anti-science (clearly), what percentage of scientists do you reckon think that we've been visited by little green men? 🤔
What’s the difference between a scientist thinking that we’ve been visited by little men in 1950’s style science fiction space ships and anyone else?
Jaze, can you not answer a simple question?!

Okay, I'll give you the answer then shall I - It's the square root of fuck all

How does @scolairebocht imagine all the scientists will get in on this impending "hoax" 🤔
 

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To be fair Sir, what you believe in is far more fantastic.
People are entitled to believe in whatever they want to believe in.
Some retards think their way is the only way and are quite cult like in their behaviour towards others.
 

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To be fair Sir, what you believe in is far more fantastic.
To be fair, the difference is this: my belief in God is rooted in a philosophical tradition spanning millennia, defended by some of the greatest minds in history—Aquinas, Augustine, Pascal, Descartes, and even acknowledged as worthy of serious contemplation by modern thinkers like Gödel. It seeks to answer fundamental questions of being, causality, morality, and consciousness—questions which no physical telescope or spaceship will ever resolve.

Belief in 'little green men in spaceships,' on the other hand, is largely speculative fiction—built on pop culture tropes, anecdotal sightings, and a profound discomfort with human uniqueness. It lacks metaphysical depth, intellectual tradition, and explanatory power.

So while you might call my belief 'fantastic,' it is not fantasy—it is philosophy, theology, and metaphysics applied to reality. Yours is a sci-fi placeholder. There is a difference between the numinous and the merely novel
 

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Jaze, can you not answer a simple question?!

Okay, I'll give you the answer then shall I - It's the square root of fuck all
I see you are admitting that your question was stupid. That’s progress I suppose.
How does @scolairebocht imagine all the scientists will get in on this impending "hoax" 🤔
I can’t speak on behalf of others. Maybe ask him.
 

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I see you are admitting that your question was stupid. That’s progress I suppose.
lol Your non-answer was stupid

To drill down further.. The percentage of the population of scientists who think that we've been visited by little green men is less than the general population

You literally have no f*cking clue of what's going on, in any conversation, ever
 

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To be fair, the difference is this: my belief in God is rooted in a philosophical tradition spanning millennia, defended by some of the greatest minds in history—Aquinas, Augustine, Pascal, Descartes, and even acknowledged as worthy of serious contemplation by modern thinkers like Gödel. It seeks to answer fundamental questions of being, causality, morality, and consciousness—questions which no physical telescope or spaceship will ever resolve.
Belief in 'little green men
You don't have a belief, you have an assertion

I'm saying that's gnosticism (because it is)

You once tried to describe it as a "cosmic wager", and the answer is No. How did you reach that conclusion? 🤔

in spaceships,' on the other hand, is largely speculative fiction—built on pop culture tropes, anecdotal sightings, and a profound discomfort with human uniqueness. It lacks metaphysical depth, intellectual tradition, and explanatory power.

So while you might call my belief 'fantastic,' it is not fantasy—it is philosophy, theology, and metaphysics applied to reality. Yours is a sci-fi placeholder. There is a difference between the numinous and the merely novel
 

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According to Tiger that is a bullsh1t video by a schismatic sect no more valid than if I myself invented my version of truth aka the "Church of Myles".
I’ve never commented on that video Myles. Please don’t invent arguments. There’s a good boy.
 

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You don't have a belief, you have an assertion

I'm saying that's gnosticism (because it is)

You once tried to describe it as a "cosmic wager", and the answer is No. How did you reach that conclusion? 🤔
Firstly, to say I have an ‘assertion’ rather than a ‘belief’ is erroneous. Belief in God—especially from a classical theist position—is not mere assertion but a reasoned conviction grounded in metaphysics, natural law, and divine revelation. Unlike belief in aliens, which is speculative and reliant on technological myths and government secrecy, the belief in God engages the rational faculties and the moral conscience. It is not asserted, it is discerned.

Secondly, to call it ‘Gnosticism’ is either a mistake or a misuse of the term. Gnosticism is the belief in secret esoteric knowledge as the path to salvation, often in defiance of the material world as evil. Christianity—especially Traditional Catholicism—repudiates that heresy. We believe in a God who reveals Himself publicly in history: through the Law, the Prophets, the Incarnation, the Cross, and the Church. There is nothing secretive or arcane about that—it is the antidote to Gnosticism.

Thirdly, when I mentioned the ‘cosmic wager,’ I was making a reference to Pascal—not to reduce faith to a mere gamble, but to show that reason alone demands we confront the ultimate questions. A man who considers only the material and dismisses the transcendent out of hand has closed himself off from half of reality. My conclusion is not reached by blind assent, but by years of wrestling with first principles: Why is there something rather than nothing? What sustains existence? What accounts for moral law, reason, beauty, and personhood?
If you think the answer is 'aliens' or blind chance—then, respectfully, I submit you’re not engaging in philosophy, but in distraction.
 

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To be fair, the difference is this: my belief in God is rooted in a philosophical tradition spanning millennia, defended by some of the greatest minds in history.
No Sir. Your belief that a middle-eastern Carpenter was tortured and killed but rose from the dead a couple of days later and that when you go to Church a piece of bread, once consecrated, repeatedly turns into his flesh and blood.

Your beliefs are far more fantastical than someone who, given the mathematics, concludes that life somewhere in the rest of the Universe is likely to exist.
 

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No Sir. Your belief that a middle-eastern Carpenter was tortured and killed but rose from the dead a couple of days later and that when you go to Church a piece of bread, once consecrated, repeatedly turns into his flesh and blood.

Your beliefs are far more fantastical than someone who, given the mathematics, concludes that life somewhere in the rest of the Universe is likely to exist.
Are you planning on using all the lazy minded ghey tropes in one day?

Do you know what a trope is?

You mock the Resurrection and Eucharist with sneers, not arguments. That’s the tactic of a man afraid to face what he can’t control. Christ rising from the dead isn’t fantasy—it’s the divine overturning the satanic logic of death, verified by eyewitnesses, martyrs, and two millennia of civilization.

Meanwhile, your 'aliens' are little more than secular angels for a disenchanted age—vague hopes projected into the void, defended by equations no one can verify. You scoff at miracles while worshipping Pentagon leaks and Sci-Fi theology.

The Eucharist scandalises you because you mistake mystery for madness. But your own worldview can't explain being, mind, morality, or the soul—so you mask your ignorance with sarcasm.

In the end, Christ reigns. Not a probability. Not a myth. A King. You’ll meet Him soon enough—and no extraterrestrial will save you from that appointment
 

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Firstly, to say I have an ‘assertion’ rather than a ‘belief’ is erroneous. Belief in God
I wasn't talking about God

WTF is wrong with you?

—especially from a classical theist position—is not mere assertion but a reasoned conviction grounded in metaphysics, natural law, and divine revelation. Unlike belief in aliens, which is speculative and reliant on technological myths and government secrecy, the belief in God engages the rational faculties and the moral conscience. It is not asserted, it is discerned.

Secondly, to call it ‘Gnosticism’ is either a mistake or a misuse of the term. Gnosticism is the belief in secret esoteric knowledge as the path to salvation, often in defiance of the material world as evil. Christianity—especially Traditional Catholicism—repudiates that heresy. We believe in a God who reveals Himself publicly in history: through the Law, the Prophets, the Incarnation, the Cross, and the Church. There is nothing secretive or arcane about that—it is the antidote to Gnosticism.

Thirdly, when I mentioned the ‘cosmic wager,’ I was making a reference to Pascal—not to reduce faith to a mere gamble, but to show that reason alone demands we confront the ultimate questions. A man who considers only the material and dismisses the transcendent out of hand has closed himself off from half of reality. My conclusion is not reached by blind assent, but by years of wrestling with first principles: Why is there something rather than nothing? What sustains existence? What accounts for moral law, reason, beauty, and personhood?
If you think the answer is 'aliens' or blind chance—then, respectfully, I submit you’re not engaging in philosophy, but in distraction.
 

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Firstly, to say I have an ‘assertion’ rather than a ‘belief’ is erroneous. Belief in God—especially from a classical theist position—is not mere assertion but a reasoned conviction grounded in metaphysics, natural law, and divine revelation. Unlike belief in aliens
Who said that they "believe in aliens"?

I'm only really now starting to fully realise.. anyone who doesn't believe your God bullshit has to believe something else..

, which is speculative and reliant on technological myths and government secrecy, the belief in God engages the rational faculties and the moral conscience. It is not asserted, it is discerned.

Secondly, to call it ‘Gnosticism’ is either a mistake or a misuse of the term. Gnosticism is the belief in secret esoteric knowledge as the path to salvation, often in defiance of the material world as evil. Christianity—especially Traditional Catholicism—repudiates that heresy. We believe in a God who reveals Himself publicly in history: through the Law, the Prophets, the Incarnation, the Cross, and the Church. There is nothing secretive or arcane about that—it is the antidote to Gnosticism.

Thirdly, when I mentioned the ‘cosmic wager,’ I was making a reference to Pascal—not to reduce faith to a mere gamble, but to show that reason alone demands we confront the ultimate questions. A man who considers only the material and dismisses the transcendent out of hand has closed himself off from half of reality. My conclusion is not reached by blind assent, but by years of wrestling with first principles: Why is there something rather than nothing? What sustains existence? What accounts for moral law, reason, beauty, and personhood?
If you think the answer is 'aliens' or blind chance—then, respectfully, I submit you’re not engaging in philosophy, but in distraction.
 

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Firstly, to say I have an ‘assertion’ rather than a ‘belief’ is erroneous. Belief in God—especially from a classical theist position—is not mere assertion but a reasoned conviction grounded in metaphysics, natural law, and divine revelation. Unlike belief in aliens, which is speculative and reliant on technological myths and government secrecy,
the belief in God engages the rational faculties and the moral conscience. It is not asserted, it is discerned.
Belief in God is not rational, it's irrational. Because there is no evidence that God exists, let alone your God

Stop watching those idiot "Christian apologists" on YouTube seven hours a day. It's called faith

Secondly, to call it ‘Gnosticism’ is either a mistake or a misuse of the term. Gnosticism is the belief in secret esoteric knowledge as the path to salvation, often in defiance of the material world as evil. Christianity—especially Traditional Catholicism—repudiates that heresy. We believe in a God who reveals Himself publicly in history: through the Law, the Prophets, the Incarnation, the Cross, and the Church. There is nothing secretive or arcane about that—it is the antidote to Gnosticism.

Thirdly, when I mentioned the ‘cosmic wager,’ I was making a reference to Pascal—not to reduce faith to a mere gamble, but to show that reason alone demands we confront the ultimate questions. A man who considers only the material and dismisses the transcendent out of hand has closed himself off from half of reality. My conclusion is not reached by blind assent, but by years of wrestling with first principles: Why is there something rather than nothing? What sustains existence? What accounts for moral law, reason, beauty, and personhood?
If you think the answer is 'aliens' or blind chance—then, respectfully, I submit you’re not engaging in philosophy, but in distraction.
 

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Firstly, to say I have an ‘assertion’ rather than a ‘belief’ is erroneous. Belief in God—especially from a classical theist position—is not mere assertion but a reasoned conviction grounded in metaphysics, natural law, and divine revelation. Unlike belief in aliens, which is speculative and reliant on technological myths and government secrecy, the belief in God engages the rational faculties and the moral conscience. It is not asserted, it is discerned.
Secondly, to call it ‘Gnosticism’ is either a mistake or a misuse of the term.
I am saying that your (and @scolairebocht's) assertion - Aliens don't exist, is gnosticism

Clearly you are gnostic in your belief in your God but I'm talking about your spin-off gnosticism

Gnosticism is the belief in secret esoteric knowledge as the path to salvation, often in defiance of the material world as evil. Christianity—especially Traditional Catholicism—repudiates that heresy. We believe in a God who reveals Himself publicly in history: through the Law, the Prophets, the Incarnation, the Cross, and the Church. There is nothing secretive or arcane about that—it is the antidote to Gnosticism.

Thirdly, when I mentioned the ‘cosmic wager,’ I was making a reference to Pascal—not to reduce faith to a mere gamble, but to show that reason alone demands we confront the ultimate questions. A man who considers only the material and dismisses the transcendent out of hand has closed himself off from half of reality. My conclusion is not reached by blind assent, but by years of wrestling with first principles: Why is there something rather than nothing? What sustains existence? What accounts for moral law, reason, beauty, and personhood?
If you think the answer is 'aliens' or blind chance—then, respectfully, I submit you’re not engaging in philosophy, but in distraction.
 

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Firstly, to say I have an ‘assertion’ rather than a ‘belief’ is erroneous. Belief in God—especially from a classical theist position—is not mere assertion but a reasoned conviction grounded in metaphysics, natural law, and divine revelation. Unlike belief in aliens, which is speculative and reliant on technological myths and government secrecy, the belief in God engages the rational faculties and the moral conscience. It is not asserted, it is discerned.

Secondly, to call it ‘Gnosticism’ is either a mistake or a misuse of the term. Gnosticism is the belief in secret esoteric knowledge as the path to salvation, often in defiance of the material world as evil. Christianity—especially Traditional Catholicism—repudiates that heresy. We believe in a God who reveals Himself publicly in history: through the Law, the Prophets, the Incarnation, the Cross, and the Church. There is nothing secretive or arcane about that—it is the antidote to Gnosticism.
Thirdly, when I mentioned the ‘cosmic wager,’
You actually called it a cosmic bet, I renamed it (the more catchy) cosmic wager.. because I'm good like that :)

I was making a reference to Pascal
Oh really

—not to reduce faith to a mere gamble, but to show that reason alone demands we confront the ultimate questions.
Quit babbling, you're a serial babbler

A man who considers only the material and dismisses the transcendent out of hand has closed himself off from half of reality.
Stop babbling!

My conclusion is not reached by blind assent, but by years of wrestling with first principles: Why is there something rather than nothing? What sustains existence? What accounts for moral law, reason, beauty, and personhood?
If you think the answer is 'aliens' or blind chance—then, respectfully, I submit you’re not engaging in philosophy, but in distraction.
Why do - Aliens not exist, according to you? Please answer, no babbling!
 

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Here are a few sources so everyone knows that I'm telling the truth (as if I wouldn't)

Tiggy originally calling it a "cosmic bet" -

Post in thread 'Origins Thread' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/origins-thread.639/post-117786

Me renaming it to "cosmic wager" -

Post in thread 'Origins Thread' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/origins-thread.639/post-123185

He'll be able to delete that one but it's okay because I've taken a screenshot

My new signature is an authentic quote -

Post in thread 'Two new civil wars within the Catholic Church' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.co...ars-within-the-catholic-church.678/post-71451
 

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Here are a few sources so everyone knows that I'm telling the truth (as if I wouldn't)

Tiggy originally calling it a "cosmic bet" -

Post in thread 'Origins Thread' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/origins-thread.639/post-117786

Me renaming it to "cosmic wager" -

Post in thread 'Origins Thread' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.com/threads/origins-thread.639/post-123185

He'll be able to delete that one but it's okay because I've taken a screenshot

My new signature is an authentic quote -

Post in thread 'Two new civil wars within the Catholic Church' https://www.sarsfieldsvirtualpub.co...ars-within-the-catholic-church.678/post-71451
James, I genuinely think that you need to seek out some psychiatric assistance.

You’re not well.
 

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James, I genuinely think that you need to seek out some psychiatric assistance.

You’re not well.
Dunno, I guess I just enjoy pointing out what an absolute bullshitter (among other things) you are
 

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Daniel O'Connor is under great pressure as he gets trying to refute this hoax. In particular he did a video a short while ago showing how all the Catholic social media are promoting it and systematically excluding the likes of him, and he talks a little further about it here:

View: https://x.com/DSDOConnor/status/1931376952406905004

"They constantly insist and repeat (without even looking at my arguments), "Catholics can believe in aliens!!" Sure, if an individual Catholic is too slow or stubborn to realize that *all* brands of ET belief inescapably involve violations of infallible Biblical & Magisterial truth, then yes, technically that Catholic "can" believe in ETs without thereby being a formal heretic. Congratulations to such a man. He should be reminded that there are many other ways to ruin your life and lose your soul than being a formal heretic.

Catholics "can" also believe that 2+2=5. Yet the fact that 2+2=4 is worth dying for, and certainly worth crusading for."

I feel a bit sorry for you to be quite honest, @scolairebocht

You've clearly fallen down a rabbit hole or two too many because of your religion
 

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I do not believe we will see an alien invasion.

I do not believe we will see a hoax alien invasion either.

I have no reason to believe there is alien life out there at all. In my lifetime, it will be determined that no life exists elsewhere in the Solar System, and no advanced life exists withing a 100 light years because our radio waves have traveled that distance.

and indeed going 50 light years for a return signal to come come back, there are a 1000 stars with a 1000 planets in the “life zone”. But no contact

So maybe life exists further, but ot will not likely oass this way
 

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I do not believe we will see an alien invasion.

I do not believe we will see a hoax alien invasion either.

I have no reason to believe there is alien life out there at all.
In my lifetime, it will be determined that no life exists elsewhere in the Solar System,
That's a big ask :)

There are various moons in the solar system that may harbour (complex) underwater life

and no advanced life exists withing a 100 light years because our radio waves have traveled that distance.

and indeed going 50 light years for a return signal to come come back, there are a 1000 stars with a 1000 planets in the “life zone”. But no contact

So maybe life exists further, but ot will not likely oass this way
 

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There are two great vanities of mankind -

1. We can have any great effect on the climate.
2. We are the only life form in the universe.
 

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That's what I find talking to Irish people about this, they are quite happy saying that aliens don't exist and the 'first contact' won't happen. But the preparation that has already gone into this hoax is incredible, the chances that they will back down and not go for this I think is zero, but its hard to know when!

Anyway its good that people think that way, they are obviously right but need to stick with it no matter whats thrown at all of us in the next few years.
 

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